The Suns and the center position.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jusuf Nurkic is completely done and this leaves the Suns with one of the worst center rotations in the entire league. The Suns can trade for a player making less than $18m (Nurkic's salary), but only have their 2031 pick to trade. The most obvious options are:

-Robert Williams: An incredibly injury-prone player, but he's healthy again and playing great again. Makes $11m.

-Walker Kessler: Making less than $3m so the Suns could trade a smaller salary and not have to worry about compensating a team for taking on Nurkic's bad contract. Kessler has rebounded after a bad year and is doing pretty well, but is unclear as a long term fit in Utah and trading him would allow the Jazz to more easily tank.

[chrbal]

Nikola Vučević- could be interesting, but you’re hoping Chicago isn’t trying to win. Contracts are similar, probably would take a decent pick or so. Suns would have to wait until they can move one of their late free agent signings

[HadAnEffectHere]

Nikola Vučević- could be interesting, but you’re hoping Chicago isn’t trying to win. Contracts are similar, probably would take a decent pick or so. Suns would have to wait until they can move one of their late free agent signings

Vuc makes too much money. Suns can't take in anyone making over $18m due to second apron rules. Vuc makes $20m.

[chrbal]

Nikola Vučević- could be interesting, but you’re hoping Chicago isn’t trying to win. Contracts are similar, probably would take a decent pick or so. Suns would have to wait until they can move one of their late free agent signings

Vuc makes too much money. Suns can't take in anyone making over $18m due to second apron rules. Vuc makes $20m.

That’s why I’m saying you have to wait until you can trade one of the deep bench guys to make up the money difference

[HadAnEffectHere]

Nikola Vučević- could be interesting, but you’re hoping Chicago isn’t trying to win. Contracts are similar, probably would take a decent pick or so. Suns would have to wait until they can move one of their late free agent signings

Vuc makes too much money. Suns can't take in anyone making over $18m due to second apron rules. Vuc makes $20m.

That’s why I’m saying you have to wait until you can trade one of the deep bench guys to make up the money difference

The second apron means you must take in less or as much as the highest salary you're sending out.

If you combined Nurkic's salary with five other guys... You still can't take in more than $18m.

[ecuhus1981]

Yeah, I think they're stuck with him. You might get Isaiah Stewart or maaaaaaybe Onyeka Okongwu for him, but you'd have to add incentive and you have barely any picks. PHX has many other things going well, that's just their fatal flaw. Lean on Plumlee and Oso for more minutes until the postseason, then KD can play more 5.

[chrbal]

Vuc makes too much money. Suns can't take in anyone making over $18m due to second apron rules. Vuc makes $20m.

That’s why I’m saying you have to wait until you can trade one of the deep bench guys to make up the money difference

The second apron means you must take in less or as much as the highest salary you're sending out.

If you combined Nurkic's salary with five other guys... You still can't take in more than $18m.

Yes, I’m aware. What I’m saying is essentially Jusuf goes to Chicago, Damion Lee gets traded to Utah (?), and the Suns get Nikola.

[HadAnEffectHere]

That’s why I’m saying you have to wait until you can trade one of the deep bench guys to make up the money difference

The second apron means you must take in less or as much as the highest salary you're sending out.

If you combined Nurkic's salary with five other guys... You still can't take in more than $18m.

Yes, I’m aware. What I’m saying is essentially Jusuf goes to Chicago, Damion Lee gets traded to Utah (?), and the Suns get Nikola.

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I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

The Suns would be taking in more money than Nurkic makes here.

That is... illegal.

[Godaddycurse]

That’s why I’m saying you have to wait until you can trade one of the deep bench guys to make up the money difference

The second apron means you must take in less or as much as the highest salary you're sending out.

If you combined Nurkic's salary with five other guys... You still can't take in more than $18m.

Yes, I’m aware. What I’m saying is essentially Jusuf goes to Chicago, Damion Lee gets traded to Utah (?), and the Suns get Nikola.

Phoenix cannot aggregate salaries

[zimpy27]

Nurkic+2xSRPs for Olynyk?

[HadAnEffectHere]

To note for all trades moving forward.

If a team over the second apron is sending out players X1, X2, ... XN and is receiving players Z1, Z2, ... ZN in a trade, the trade must satisfy the following constraint (among others):

Max(salary of X1, salary of X2, ..., salary of XN) >= (salary of Z1) + (salary of Z2) + ... + (salary of ZN)

[chrbal]

The second apron means you must take in less or as much as the highest salary you're sending out.

If you combined Nurkic's salary with five other guys... You still can't take in more than $18m.

Yes, I’m aware. What I’m saying is essentially Jusuf goes to Chicago, Damion Lee gets traded to Utah (?), and the Suns get Nikola.

????????????????????

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

The Suns would be taking in more money than Nurkic makes here.

That is... illegal.

Lee and Nurkic out is about $22.2 million dollars

Nikola makes $20 million this year. So the Suns would taking in less money. Maybe the trade is illegal because I don’t really understand the 2nd apron rules. But they would not be taking in more money if the numbers are correct

[Godaddycurse]

Nurkic+2xSRPs for Olynyk?

Nah takes more than 2 bad seconds to eat the extra 11M and the worse player back. They only have DEN 2026 2nd and couple 2031 2nds to trade i believe

[zimpy27]

Nurkic+2xSRPs for Olynyk?

Nah takes more than 2 bad seconds to eat the extra 11M and the worse player back. They only have DEN 2026 2nd and couple 2031 2nds to trade i believe

Really? Seems like the right move for both teams.

How are they bad SRPs?

[schaffy]

Jusuf Nurkic is completely done and this leaves the Suns with one of the worst center rotations in the entire league. The Suns can trade for a player making less than $18m (Nurkic's salary), but only have their 2031 pick to trade. The most obvious options are:

-Robert Williams: An incredibly injury-prone player, but he's healthy again and playing great again. Makes $11m.

-Walker Kessler: Making less than $3m so the Suns could trade a smaller salary and not have to worry about compensating a team for taking on Nurkic's bad contract. Kessler has rebounded after a bad year and is doing pretty well, but is unclear as a long term fit in Utah and trading him would allow the Jazz to more easily tank.

This might come across worse than intended, but it sure doesn't seem like the jazz need help to more easily tank. They are doing just fine, and have the benefit (at least in this case) of playing in the much more difficult conference than their eastern conference competitors. Don't think they should be dumping Kessler just cause when he's looked better this year--- but not like good enough to change the course of the team.

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[Godaddycurse]

[quote="zimpy27"]
Really? Seems like the right move for both teams.

How are they bad SRPs?[/quote]

Den 2026 is projected to be late and the other seconds are 7 years away?

I think if olynyk plays like last couple years he can fetch expiring and 2nd(s) potentially. Theres a thread right now of adams/2nds for olynyk

[dremill24]

Yes, I’m aware. What I’m saying is essentially Jusuf goes to Chicago, Damion Lee gets traded to Utah (?), and the Suns get Nikola.

????????????????????

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

The Suns would be taking in more money than Nurkic makes here.

That is... illegal.

Lee and Nurkic out is about $22.2 million dollars

Nikola makes $20 million this year. So the Suns would taking in less money. Maybe the trade is illegal because I don’t really understand the 2nd apron rules. But they would not be taking in more money if the numbers are correct

Being over the second apron also means you cant combine multiple outgoing players in a trade.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yes, I’m aware. What I’m saying is essentially Jusuf goes to Chicago, Damion Lee gets traded to Utah (?), and the Suns get Nikola.

????????????????????

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

The Suns would be taking in more money than Nurkic makes here.

That is... illegal.

Lee and Nurkic out is about $22.2 million dollars

Nikola makes $20 million this year. So the Suns would taking in less money. Maybe the trade is illegal because I don’t really understand the 2nd apron rules. But they would not be taking in more money if the numbers are correct

That is aggregating salaries (essentially, combining two salaries to take back a player they couldn’t otherwise take back). In doing so, Phoenix would incur a hard cap at the second apron. They’re roughly $31m over that line, so to do the deal as you suggest would require Phoenix to also dump Allen, O’Neal, and Okogie in the same deal with no additional salary returning.

[Scoot McGroot]

????????????????????

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

The Suns would be taking in more money than Nurkic makes here.

That is... illegal.

Lee and Nurkic out is about $22.2 million dollars

Nikola makes $20 million this year. So the Suns would taking in less money. Maybe the trade is illegal because I don’t really understand the 2nd apron rules. But they would not be taking in more money if the numbers are correct

That is aggregating salaries (essentially, combining two salaries to take back a player they couldn’t otherwise take back). In doing so, Phoenix would incur a hard cap at the second apron. They’re roughly $31m over that line, so to do the deal as you suggest would require Phoenix to also dump Allen, O’Neal, and Okogie in the same deal with no additional salary returning.

As for new apron rules, aggregating salaries is a hard cap at the second apron, and taking back more salary than you send out is a hard cap at the first apron.

[Mamba4Goat]

????????????????????

I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?

The Suns would be taking in more money than Nurkic makes here.

That is... illegal.

Lee and Nurkic out is about $22.2 million dollars

Nikola makes $20 million this year. So the Suns would taking in less money. Maybe the trade is illegal because I don’t really understand the 2nd apron rules. But they would not be taking in more money if the numbers are correct

Being over the second apron also means you cant combine multiple outgoing players in a trade.

Just to paraphrase to hopefully help the only Nurk+Lee trade that’d work is a trade that would technically be two trades.

Nurk for a player making >= the money he is
Lee for a player making >= the money he is (or just a cap dump)

The amount Lee is paid has no effect on the amount of money you can take back in any Nurk trade since you can’t combine salaries for matching purposes. The Suns could add Royce O’Neale and Josh Okogie to a Nurkic trade but that still wouldn’t change the face that the largest possible salary they could receive in that trade must be less than or equal to Nurkic’s.