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I know at first glance this seems against Heat culture and everything Pat Riley stands for, but is there any chance that Miami decides that the current squad just isn't good enough to compete right now?

1. Jimmy Butler PO saga, what are the Heat hoping happens here? If Jimmy opts in they are pretty much stuck with him and the same squad they have. If Jimmy opts out, they won't have any meaningful cap space to sign a replacement. Of course they could try to trade him now but no team is giving up a star player in return for a 35 yr old Butler let alone when you factor in his contract.

2. Heat already owe their 2025 and 2027 firsts to Thunder and Hornets. And the 2027 might be 2028 so they are limited in future draft picks they can offer if a star player were to hit the Market. Legally they can only trade their 2030 right now right? Best case they can move 2, which is nothing in terms of meaningful players. They just don't have the pieces to acquire a Giannis, Zion type of player even if they did become available.

3. Even though they have some nice younger pieces in Herro, Jovic, Jacquez, Ware... none of those guys are centerpieces to build around. If you take Jimmy out of the picture, how good are they with Bam and Herro as their best players moving forward?

My question is are they better off to just be bad for a few years, let the Rozier, Robinson contracts fall off the books and hope to land their next star via the draft? What type of offer does Bam bring in?

Does OKC make sense, or not a fit with Chet? Send IHart, a young wing and a couple firsts?

This is a hard one.

On the one hand, Bam is one of the best all around big men in the game. He just turned 27 and is under team control through his age 30 season (4 seasons including this one) and has a player option for his age 31 season.

But on the other hand, in the new CBA world, it's hard to carry multiple 30% of the cap players and I'm not sure if BAM is a #2 on a title team or a great #3.

Having said all that, after the returns that Rudy Gobert and Mikal Bridges have generated over the past few years, it's hard to see Miami accepting anything less for BAM.

The only thing that could make sense is doing a deal with OKC where Miami gets their 2025 pick back. This opens up a 3 year rebuilding window (CHA has a lottery protected 2027 1st that turns into an unprotected 2028 1st). If Miami can get their own pick back this year plus the greater of LAC/HOU(top-4 protected)/OKC picks as the anchors to a BAM package that's a very interesting way to kick off a rebuild, especially if they can cash out other pieces on their roster (Butler, Herro, Rozier). OKC would throw in a couple of future 1sts and a young prospect using Hartenstein as salary filler.

R-DAWG wrote: But on the other hand, in the new CBA world, it's hard to carry multiple 30% of the cap players and I'm not sure if BAM is a #2 on a title team or a great #3.

Yeah same page, post Jimmy. Bam and Herro as 1/2 punch feels like a first round exit most years.

R-DAWG wrote: Having said all that, after the returns that Rudy Gobert and Mikal Bridges have generated over the past few years, it's hard to see Miami accepting anything less for BAM.

So roughly 4-5 firsts in value still?

Laimbeer wrote:Does OKC make sense, or not a fit with Chet? Send IHart, a young wing and a couple firsts?

What young wing? They've got good role players and ok picks, but none that seem high enough to where you'd consider this. Now if it's june and those Philly / Clipper picks end up top 10 you might have a point. But so far... nah...

Salary ballast, 2 first round picks (one being lotto potential) and a young player with upside.

Not sure what his value is, but I would offer

Adams, Landale, Tate, JeGreen, Whitmore, 2025 #1, 2027 Suns #1, and 3 2nds.

for

Bam, Ware, and filler (Richardson and Bryant I guess).

Hartenstein, Topic, 2025 MIA 1st (lotto prot, unp), 2025 PHI 1st (top 6/4/4), 2025 UTA 1st (top 10/8), 2029 DEN 1st (top 5/5)

For

Bam, K Love

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Hartenstein, Topic, 2025 MIA 1st (lotto prot, unp), 2025 PHI 1st (top 6/4/4), 2025 UTA 1st (top 10/8), 2029 DEN 1st (top 5/5)

For

Bam, K Love

Jazz is tanking this year and likely next, so that pick is not worth much.
Heat pick if the deal doesn't come through is likely mid first, as always
76ers pick likely ends up outside the lottery and even if it doesn't it's protected top 6 so upside is capped
Topic is a late lotto prospect coming off a torn ACL (who knows if Heat is high on him)
Hartenstein might be neutral value at best at his contract, especially for a rebuilding team (that's what they are if they move Bam)
Denver 29 is a long way out.

So this likely caps at 2 mid first, a divisive late lotto prospect coming off a torn ACL, and a pick 5 years out that is top 5 protected. If this is the best OKC can do, I'd like Spurs to offer some combination of Hawks picks + Bulls pick + their own, I think that's more interesting for a rebuilding ream.

LarsV8 wrote:Not sure what his value is, but I would offer

Adams, Landale, Tate, JeGreen, Whitmore, 2025 #1, 2027 Suns #1, and 3 2nds.

for

Bam, Ware, and filler (Richardson and Bryant I guess).

There's Herro and no interest Green. That's a pretty bad offer for Whitmore and two first Bam. And you get Ware too lol

LarsV8 wrote:Not sure what his value is, but I would offer

Adams, Landale, Tate, JeGreen, Whitmore, 2025 #1, 2027 Suns #1, and 3 2nds.

for

Bam, Ware, and filler (Richardson and Bryant I guess).

If Miami was willing to deal Bam, they definitely wouldn’t include Ware, as he’d be the cheap developmental replacement for Bam. And they likely wouldn’t deal all 3 of their centers away in the same deal just to get back Adams/Jock.

But even taking out aware, you’re still really short on value here. Whitmore, 2 1sts and 3 seconds doesn’t net a Bam.

Yeah I mean at a minimum you’re talking 4-5 good 1sts (or the equivalent in young players) plus neutral salary filler for Bam.

wemby wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:Does OKC make sense, or not a fit with Chet? Send IHart, a young wing and a couple firsts?

What young wing? They've got good role players and ok picks, but none that seem high enough to where you'd consider this. Now if it's june and those Philly / Clipper picks end up top 10 you might have a point. But so far... nah...

Jalen Williams?

27 y/o perennial DPOY candidate with + offensive game? Valuations are very low in this thread...

Laimbeer wrote:

wemby wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:Does OKC make sense, or not a fit with Chet? Send IHart, a young wing and a couple firsts?

What young wing? They've got good role players and ok picks, but none that seem high enough to where you'd consider this. Now if it's june and those Philly / Clipper picks end up top 10 you might have a point. But so far... nah...

Jalen Williams?

That's a different story if they're willing to put JDubb on the table. I'm assuming they're not.

He's not on the block so it would take a king's ransom to get him there. I'm not seeing offers that catch my interest.

wemby wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:

wemby wrote:What young wing? They've got good role players and ok picks, but none that seem high enough to where you'd consider this. Now if it's june and those Philly / Clipper picks end up top 10 you might have a point. But so far... nah...

Jalen Williams?

That's a different story if they're willing to put JDubb on the table. I'm assuming they're not.

We are probably at the point where JDub is a top 30 player, so highly doubt he is getting moved for a guy 4 years older than him that is 20-25th best player.

BBallFreak wrote:He's not on the block so it would take a king's ransom to get him there. I'm not seeing offers that catch my interest.

Give us 2-3 offers that you think are fair value, not a nobrainer 6 firsts and Jalen Williams type of offers.

JMAC3 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:He's not on the block so it would take a king's ransom to get him there. I'm not seeing offers that catch my interest.

Give us 2-3 offers that you think are fair value, not a nobrainer 6 firsts and Jalen Williams type of offers.

That's his point though. He's not on the block so he's not being moved for "fair" value. It would take a no-brainer offer to move him.

I'd love to have him on the Pistons, but not sure we could offer more than Duren and a distant first rounder.