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Heat didn't offer him a contract, what is his trade value given he could opt out in the summer or he could be just not as good as we are used to and potentially be on the line for 52 million next season. Which teams are taking this chance and what are they offering? what are Heat best options?

He fits the Warriors/Curry timeline and (if on the block) should be available for the Warrior's level of trade assets. It's much less clear if he makes sense as an on-court fit so I'm not sure how much interest the team would have.

IMO the plausible trade offer looks something like Wiggins/Kunminga/Melton/Payton/2025 1st (top-4 protected at least) for Butler/Burks/Love.

I don't think it's very high right now and the Heat were clearly trying to bait him into demanding a trade so I doubt they have the courage to do it themselves now when his value is so low.

Salary ballast that includes a useful young player and a lotto protected first seems like the high end. He could certainly be a big help to a contender but is overpaid and a pretty hefty salary to swallow.

Lakers salary matches for Rui, DLo and Reaves but I don't think the Lakers are doing that type of deal tbh. Heat are probably wanting a first round pick on top of that too.

giberish wrote:He fits the Warriors/Curry timeline and (if on the block) should be available for the Warrior's level of trade assets. It's much less clear if he makes sense as an on-court fit so I'm not sure how much interest the team would have.

IMO the plausible trade offer looks something like Wiggins/Kunminga/Melton/Payton/2025 1st (top-4 protected at least) for Butler/Burks/Love.

I doubt the Warriors give up this year's theme, depth, speed, & defense, for an older player that is expiring. Jimmy plays a bit slower, and the Warriors lose some defense in this trade.

Butler ultimately is worth more to Miami than I think he will fetch on his expiring deal.

JMAC3 wrote:Lakers salary matches for Rui, DLo and Reaves but I don't think the Lakers are doing that type of deal tbh. Heat are probably wanting a first round pick on top of that too.

Lakers won't include Reaves, but they would defiantly be interested. I would assume they would give up a 1st rd pick and can make the math work with Russell, Rui, Vando/Vincent and JHS.

Reaves/Butler/James/Davis

Kenecht/Christie/one of Vando/Vincent

R-DAWG wrote:

JMAC3 wrote:Lakers salary matches for Rui, DLo and Reaves but I don't think the Lakers are doing that type of deal tbh. Heat are probably wanting a first round pick on top of that too.

Lakers won't include Reaves, but they would defiantly be interested. I would assume they would give up a 1st rd pick and can make the math work with Russell, Rui, Vando/Vincent and JHS.

Reaves/Butler/James/Davis

Kenecht/Christie/one of Vando/Vincent

Tough sell to the Heat on a deal like that though. They would have to be committed to the tear down and even then they probably can do slightly better elsewhere.

Similar to the Lakers the Warriors have become the team the where people try to fit a star player on to regardless of style/fit. Jimmy is a major ball stopper. He's not going to fit what Steph/Draymond do offensively. He's also not a KD level scorer and shooter to where his kind of offensive disruption doesn't hurt the style the team plays.

Nets if they are trying a quick rebuild turnaround feel like a solid destination

Jimmy feels like a fallback option if the Rockets can't get another preferred star. However, unless they include FVV in the deal they have to trade like 4-5 players to make the salary for Jimmy. I don't see how that works mid season.

Hard to determine the market for Jimmy at this stage. He's always hurt, older and needs to get paid. Feels like they are going to have to settle for a lot less than some think.

Nets: Ben Simmons 40.3M, Bojan 19M, Zaire Williams 6.1M and 2025 1st from either PHX, OKC or NY, and 2025 Miami 2nd rounder
for Jimmy 48.7 M, Duncan Robinson 19.4M

Jody Smokz wrote:
Nets: Ben Simmons 40.3M, Bojan 19M, Zaire Williams 6.1M and 2025 1st from either PHX, OKC or NY, and 2025 Miami 2nd rounder
for Jimmy 48.7 M, Duncan Robinson 19.4M

Hard to see why Nets would do this because what is 36 yr old Butler, Cam Thomas, Claxton and Cam Johnson doing? Then for Miami they are just washing their hands of Jimmy for cap space and 25th pick?

Would Butler even optin to play with that Nets team?

DonaldSanders wrote:

giberish wrote:He fits the Warriors/Curry timeline and (if on the block) should be available for the Warrior's level of trade assets. It's much less clear if he makes sense as an on-court fit so I'm not sure how much interest the team would have.

IMO the plausible trade offer looks something like Wiggins/Kunminga/Melton/Payton/2025 1st (top-4 protected at least) for Butler/Burks/Love.

I doubt the Warriors give up this year's theme, depth, speed, & defense, for an older player that is expiring. Jimmy plays a bit slower, and the Warriors lose some defense in this trade.

Butler ultimately is worth more to Miami than I think he will fetch on his expiring deal.

GS seems to have a strong interest in star hunting. The depth option may have been a fallback plan. They may still have an interest in Butler despite his questionable on-court fit. Though they also may not have any interest.

Though I do agree that ta Butler trade could easily make GS worse due to the style clash - especially trying to make it work mid-season.

I oddly want him in Orlando and yes I understand no one from the fanbase agrees with me and yes I know it’s extremely risky and probably extremely unrealistic just being in state rivals but I would personally love to pair him with this current core.

I know health isn’t on his side, but think Orlando could really utilize someone of his stature in the playoffs and they could baby him (monitor minutes/injuries) throughout the season.

However, the extent of the trade would look something like:

KCP
Harris
Anthony
‘26 FRP (lottery protected)

This keeps them competitive, gives them pieces they can possibly flip in the future and some pick incentive.

Orlando rolls out with

Suggs
Butler
Wagner
Banchero
Carter

giberish wrote:

DonaldSanders wrote:

giberish wrote:He fits the Warriors/Curry timeline and (if on the block) should be available for the Warrior's level of trade assets. It's much less clear if he makes sense as an on-court fit so I'm not sure how much interest the team would have.

IMO the plausible trade offer looks something like Wiggins/Kunminga/Melton/Payton/2025 1st (top-4 protected at least) for Butler/Burks/Love.

I doubt the Warriors give up this year's theme, depth, speed, & defense, for an older player that is expiring. Jimmy plays a bit slower, and the Warriors lose some defense in this trade.

Butler ultimately is worth more to Miami than I think he will fetch on his expiring deal.

GS seems to have a strong interest in star hunting. The depth option may have been a fallback plan. They may still have an interest in Butler despite his questionable on-court fit. Though they also may not have any interest.

Though I do agree that ta Butler trade could easily make GS worse due to the style clash - especially trying to make it work mid-season.

They do? Can you provide any source where someone associated with the Warriors said they are star hunting? Because trading for players based in name and not fit doesn’t really match anything they’re doing this season, and I certainly haven’t heard anything like that.

It presumably can't happen because of Butler going back to Minnesota being a non-starter, but Butler, Jacquez for Randle and McDaniels is otherwise maybe the sanest Butler deal I could create after looking for a bit. Minny probably a better chance at a title this year, Heat get a fun frontcourt for the next few years and can send some picks out for a guard when one becomes available. Minnesota gets out of cap trouble after 2 more attempts at winning a title, maybe they can use cap space in the summer of 2026 to add one expensive player to a top 6 of Gobert-NazReid-Jacquez-Devincenzo-Edwards-Dillingham and maybe 2 of their young guys like Shannon, Minott and Leonard Miller becoming rotation guys. Maybe keep NAW around on a big one year deal and do apron for one year?

Nate the Great wrote:

giberish wrote:

DonaldSanders wrote:

I doubt the Warriors give up this year's theme, depth, speed, & defense, for an older player that is expiring. Jimmy plays a bit slower, and the Warriors lose some defense in this trade.

Butler ultimately is worth more to Miami than I think he will fetch on his expiring deal.

GS seems to have a strong interest in star hunting. The depth option may have been a fallback plan. They may still have an interest in Butler despite his questionable on-court fit. Though they also may not have any interest.

Though I do agree that ta Butler trade could easily make GS worse due to the style clash - especially trying to make it work mid-season.

They do? Can you provide any source where someone associated with the Warriors said they are star hunting? Because trading for players based in name and not fit doesn’t really match anything they’re doing this season, and I certainly haven’t heard anything like that.

They obviously haven't actually made star trade(s). Which is why they still have the depth and assets to make one. They frequently talk about making star trades though. Or did you miss the PG And Lauri talk this summer? Perhaps they aren't any more interested than other teams but just talk about it more to the media but it gives a clear impression of being star hunting.

That's a good question. I think at the core of it Jimmy wants one last pay day. If the Nets are willing to meet him there then it could make some sense. Pat didn't even give D Wade a big contract at the end of his road. I dont think Pat is looking to pay Jimmy anything he above market this offseason. With where Jimmy will be in age and miles at the end of the year he could very well let him walk if the price is too high.

JMAC3 wrote:

Jody Smokz wrote:
Nets: Ben Simmons 40.3M, Bojan 19M, Zaire Williams 6.1M and 2025 1st from either PHX, OKC or NY, and 2025 Miami 2nd rounder
for Jimmy 48.7 M, Duncan Robinson 19.4M

Hard to see why Nets would do this because what is 36 yr old Butler, Cam Thomas, Claxton and Cam Johnson doing? Then for Miami they are just washing their hands of Jimmy for cap space and 25th pick?

Would Butler even optin to play with that Nets team?

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:I oddly want him in Orlando and yes I understand no one from the fanbase agrees with me and yes I know it’s extremely risky and probably extremely unrealistic just being in state rivals but I would personally love to pair him with this current core.

Ell Curry wrote:It presumably can't happen because of Butler going back to Minnesota being a non-starter, but Butler, Jacquez for Randle and McDaniels is otherwise maybe the sanest Butler deal I could create after looking for a bit.

(A Randle-McDaniels package would make some old Vikings fans chuckle)

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I played a little bit with this earlier today as a three-teamer

MIN GIVES: Julius Randle
MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac + Corey Joseph

ORL GIVES: Jonathan Isaac + Cole Anthony + Corey Joseph
ORL GETS: Jimmy Butler + Alec Burks

MIA GIVES: Jimmy Butler + Alec Burks
MIA GETS: Julius Randle + Cole Anthony

My thinking was that even though as a MIN guy I’m no fan of Jimmy, he’d bring ORL playoff experience and leadership, and would probably love playing with those hard-working guys, while staying in Florida longterm. Randle also probably re-signs if he’s in MIA while Jimmy is a question mark, and Kevin Love is 36. MIN probably needs more with Isaac’s health issues, but when he’s healthy, he would bring back MIN’s defensive identity and he could be a good contract on that extension for the expensive Wolves. MIN feedback was mixed, but likely expected since Isaac’s value varies highly between people based on risk-tolerance.

How would you rank the values of Jimmy, Randle, and Isaac? I don’t know who needs to add value, but this is CBA-legal deal on December 11, according to Spotrac

shrink wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:I oddly want him in Orlando and yes I understand no one from the fanbase agrees with me and yes I know it’s extremely risky and probably extremely unrealistic just being in state rivals but I would personally love to pair him with this current core.

Ell Curry wrote:It presumably can't happen because of Butler going back to Minnesota being a non-starter, but Butler, Jacquez for Randle and McDaniels is otherwise maybe the sanest Butler deal I could create after looking for a bit.

(A Randle-McDaniels package would make some old Vikings fans chuckle)

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I played a little bit with this earlier today as a three-teamer

MIN GIVES: Julius Randle
MIN GETS: Jonathan Isaac + Corey Joseph

ORL GIVES: Jonathan Isaac + Cole Anthony + Corey Joseph
ORL GETS: Jimmy Butler + Alec Burks

MIA GIVES: Jimmy Butler + Alec Burks
MIA GETS: Julius Randle + Cole Anthony

My thinking was that even though as a MIN guy I’m no fan of Jimmy, he’d bring ORL playoff experience and leadership, and would probably love playing with those hard-working guys, while staying in Florida longterm. Randle also probably re-signs if he’s in MIA while Jimmy is a question mark, and Kevin Love is 36. MIN probably needs more with Isaac’s health issues, but when he’s healthy, he would bring back MIN’s defensive identity and he could be a good contract on that extension for the expensive Wolves. MIN feedback was mixed, but likely expected since Isaac’s value varies highly between people based on risk-tolerance.

How would you rank the values of Jimmy, Randle, and Isaac? I don’t know who needs to add value, but this is CBA-legal deal on December 11, according to Spotrac

Isaac for Butler is a non starter.

KCP has to be the main salary filler.

Love it for Minny though.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:KCP
Harris
Anthony
‘26 FRP (lottery protected)

So, 3 fillers and a lottary protected first for Jimmy Butler? lol

Ell Curry wrote:It presumably can't happen because of Butler going back to Minnesota being a non-starter, but Butler, Jacquez for Randle and McDaniels is otherwise maybe the sanest Butler deal I could create after looking for a bit. Minny probably a better chance at a title this year, Heat get a fun frontcourt for the next few years and can send some picks out for a guard when one becomes available. Minnesota gets out of cap trouble after 2 more attempts at winning a title, maybe they can use cap space in the summer of 2026 to add one expensive player to a top 6 of Gobert-NazReid-Jacquez-Devincenzo-Edwards-Dillingham and maybe 2 of their young guys like Shannon, Minott and Leonard Miller becoming rotation guys. Maybe keep NAW around on a big one year deal and do apron for one year?

Why would we give up Jaquez?

Why would we want Randle?