Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago

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Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#1 » by slos » Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:43 pm

Nothing too fancy here, but useful..

Milwaukee in Carter

Chicago in Connaughton, Beauchamp (TPE), MIL 2031 SRP

Why Bucks? They get less than a million closer to avoiding the 2nd apron penalties. Carter also adds some competition to Wright for the backup PG spot. Pat already got his first DNP.

Why Bulls? They turn their 4th-5th PG who doesn’t play into a wing who they can actually use. Bulls get compensated for the extra 3 mil per season they take with a SRP and a look into a former FRP.

Note: Bulls waive THT’s NG salary to create the extra spot and stay out of the tax.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#2 » by ChettheJet » Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:00 pm

Not much of a move for the Bulls. They have 15 contracted players, the get 2 for 1 who are they cutting? THT is a spark plug scorer that is what the Bulls have needed for a long time.
Connaughton is not part of the future or even the present, he's got a $9M player option for next year he's not giving that up. All he does is take playing time from any or all of Terry, Phillips and Buzelis, not smart. Beauchamp would be interesting to get but he fits in the exact some spot that you're trading Carter out of,.

Chicago isn't even interested in paying the tolls to do this, they don't have any incentive to help the Bucks down from the 2nd tier
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#3 » by Andre Roberstan » Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:12 pm

ChettheJet wrote:Not much of a move for the Bulls. They have 15 contracted players, the get 2 for 1 who are they cutting? THT is a spark plug scorer that is what the Bulls have needed for a long time.


THT is averaging 4.8 points a game so far this season. I know he's had a couple of games where he's scored over 10 points from the bench, but that doesn't scream "spark plug." Dream bigger.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#4 » by Dez » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:55 am

ChettheJet wrote:Not much of a move for the Bulls. They have 15 contracted players, the get 2 for 1 who are they cutting? THT is a spark plug scorer that is what the Bulls have needed for a long time.
Connaughton is not part of the future or even the present, he's got a $9M player option for next year he's not giving that up. All he does is take playing time from any or all of Terry, Phillips and Buzelis, not smart. Beauchamp would be interesting to get but he fits in the exact some spot that you're trading Carter out of,.

Chicago isn't even interested in paying the tolls to do this, they don't have any incentive to help the Bucks down from the 2nd tier


THT is nothing the Bulls have needed now or ever.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#5 » by letsgobulls23 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:09 pm

Feels like CHI would want more than a distant 2nd
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#6 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:51 pm

Bulls get a 2nd round pick for essentially eating just $3 million in salary (the difference between Connaughton and Carter's player options) which is pretty much on the low-end cost for buying a 2nd round pick these days. Seems pretty fair to me.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#7 » by drosestruts » Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:34 pm

Don't think the second is enough value for the extra years and money Chicago takes on. If Milwaukee wants to duck the 2nd tax I think their best best would be looking to move Lopez. For what? I do not know - but he, as a big expiring, has trade value.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#8 » by babyjax13 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:43 pm

ChettheJet wrote:Not much of a move for the Bulls. They have 15 contracted players, the get 2 for 1 who are they cutting? THT is a spark plug scorer that is what the Bulls have needed for a long time.
Connaughton is not part of the future or even the present, he's got a $9M player option for next year he's not giving that up. All he does is take playing time from any or all of Terry, Phillips and Buzelis, not smart. Beauchamp would be interesting to get but he fits in the exact some spot that you're trading Carter out of,.

Chicago isn't even interested in paying the tolls to do this, they don't have any incentive to help the Bucks down from the 2nd tier

THT isn't an NBA player. So if Chicago just wants to play him to lose more games and to increase the chances of seeing the most baffling decision of the year at any given second, sure, they can keep him. Alternatively they can do this trade and never have to see him play on their team again.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#9 » by slos » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:06 am

drosestruts wrote:Don't think the second is enough value for the extra years and money Chicago takes on. If Milwaukee wants to duck the 2nd tax I think their best best would be looking to move Lopez. For what? I do not know - but he, as a big expiring, has trade value.


Both Pat and Carter are on two years deals. Bulls get compensated for the extra 3 mil they take per season with a free look at an expiring former FRP and a distant SRP. Value seems right IMO.

Also no team that contends will sacrifice their starting C just to avoid tax penalties. Brook could be moved, but it wouldn’t be for that purpose.
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Re: Bucks skip the 2nd apron with Chicago 

Post#10 » by drosestruts » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:26 pm

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drosestruts wrote:Don't think the second is enough value for the extra years and money Chicago takes on. If Milwaukee wants to duck the 2nd tax I think their best best would be looking to move Lopez. For what? I do not know - but he, as a big expiring, has trade value.


Both Pat and Carter are on two years deals. Bulls get compensated for the extra 3 mil they take per season with a free look at an expiring former FRP and a distant SRP. Value seems right IMO.

Also no team that contends will sacrifice their starting C just to avoid tax penalties. Brook could be moved, but it wouldn’t be for that purpose.


The Bulls are in their own interesting cap situation where they're near the tax and next year someone like Giddey will need an extension and they have players like Lonzo, Duarte, and Craig expiring this season.

With how tight the margins are - that additional $3m for Pat could put the Bulls in a tough spot.

When it comes to Brook - I think the clear move would be to try and find a different center on a smaller, but longer deal from a team that's looking to perhaps shed long-term salary. While it doesn't fully achieve getting below the 2nd apron - something like Lopez for Poeltl makes a degree of sense in my mind.

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