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I'm just curious to see everyone's opinions on this. Suns have lost 3 in a row and have a dire need at center. Seems like the team is better with KD running the show. They also have Beal to take the SG role if they move Book. Philly seems to have somewhat soured on Embiid with his constant drama and a Maxey/Booker/PG combo is deadly.

So:

Philly: Booker
PHX: Embiid

Who, if anyone adds and does this make sense for the teams?

Slim Charless wrote:I'm just curious to see everyone's opinions on this. Suns have lost 3 in a row and have a dire need at center. Seems like the team is better with KD running the show. They also have Beal to take the SG role if they move Book. Philly seems to have somewhat soured on Embiid with his constant drama and a Maxey/Booker/PG combo is deadly.

So:

Philly: Booker
PHX: Embiid

Who, if anyone adds and does this make sense for the teams?

Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:I'm just curious to see everyone's opinions on this. Suns have lost 3 in a row and have a dire need at center. Seems like the team is better with KD running the show. They also have Beal to take the SG role if they move Book. Philly seems to have somewhat soured on Embiid with his constant drama and a Maxey/Booker/PG combo is deadly.

So:

Philly: Booker
PHX: Embiid

Who, if anyone adds and does this make sense for the teams?

Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

Embiid also can't be traded this season due to the extension.

As for who adds in a hypothetical... It depends on what Embiid is. If he can shake the knee/conditioning issue and get back to his former, top-5 in the league self, I think he's pretty clearly worth more. They also pretty clearly wouldn't be looking to move him. If he continues to look like a shell of himself, he's a negative value contract.

I wouldn't read too much into "Philly fans souring on Embiid" btw. They suck right now. Everyone is going to be getting flames until they turn this around.

This trade isn’t even close Phonex does have enough left to make this happen.

PhillyNj wrote:This trade isn’t even close Phonex does have enough left to make this happen.

I think player for player it's not that far off. Mostly due to Embiid never being able to play. Booker also doesn't have the work ethic issues that Biid does. I also am not 100% sure that he even wants to still be there-or that Philly fans still like him.

I guess you can speak to that last part better than me.

Slim Charless wrote:

PhillyNj wrote:This trade isn’t even close Phonex does have enough left to make this happen.

I think player for player it's not that far off. Mostly due to Embiid never being able to play. Booker also doesn't have the work ethic issues that Biid does. I also am not 100% sure that he even wants to still be there-or that Philly fans still like him.

I guess you can speak to that last part better than me.

Snapshot moment in time, yeah, there are a lot people fed up with him

But there were a lot people ready to run Siriani and Hurts out of town about 5 weeks ago.

Philly fan barometers extremely volatile and not a good gauge for this type of stuff, particularly when things are going bad

I've been saying for years Embiid wasnt getting traded because his injury history/outlook was nowhere near his reputation, but now my man is actually struggling on the court as well going by this year/olympics/last years playoffs... his value isnt here

youngcrev wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:

PhillyNj wrote:This trade isn’t even close Phonex does have enough left to make this happen.

I think player for player it's not that far off. Mostly due to Embiid never being able to play. Booker also doesn't have the work ethic issues that Biid does. I also am not 100% sure that he even wants to still be there-or that Philly fans still like him.

I guess you can speak to that last part better than me.

Snapshot moment in time, yeah, there are a lot people fed up with him

But there were a lot people ready to run Siriani and Hurts out of town about 5 weeks ago.

Philly fan barometers extremely volatile and not a good gauge for this type of stuff, particularly when things are going bad

Not to get my own thread derailed, but imo Siriani is still your weak link and will be the reason you guys don't win a chip this year. You're the most talented team in the league, with a major weakness at coach. IMO

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:I'm just curious to see everyone's opinions on this. Suns have lost 3 in a row and have a dire need at center. Seems like the team is better with KD running the show. They also have Beal to take the SG role if they move Book. Philly seems to have somewhat soured on Embiid with his constant drama and a Maxey/Booker/PG combo is deadly.

So:

Philly: Booker
PHX: Embiid

Who, if anyone adds and does this make sense for the teams?

Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

That’s an icy wet blanket.

Aside from the trade being impossible, I kind of like the idea fro PHX to take a shot at Durant/ Embiid duo. If Embiid is remotely healthy….if…Phx needs to add value equivalent to a 1st round pick. If Embiid is maybe close to cooked…with like a chance for a good season or two…which seems realistic, then maybe it’s an even trade without picks . There would need to be a pre user trade where Phx dumps a **** load of Salary…probably has to be Beal to get far enough under the 2nd apron so they could aggregate.

brackdan70 wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:I'm just curious to see everyone's opinions on this. Suns have lost 3 in a row and have a dire need at center. Seems like the team is better with KD running the show. They also have Beal to take the SG role if they move Book. Philly seems to have somewhat soured on Embiid with his constant drama and a Maxey/Booker/PG combo is deadly.

So:

Philly: Booker
PHX: Embiid

Who, if anyone adds and does this make sense for the teams?

Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

That’s an icy wet blanket.

They make virtually the same amount. Like 2 million apart

Slim Charless wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

That’s an icy wet blanket.

They make virtually the same amount. Like 2 million apart

Yep but because PHX is over the first apron they can’t take back any additional salary, no a penny. And because they are over the second apron they can’t aggregate…trade multiple players out in a trade to match salary.

Slim Charless wrote:

youngcrev wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:
I think player for player it's not that far off. Mostly due to Embiid never being able to play. Booker also doesn't have the work ethic issues that Biid does. I also am not 100% sure that he even wants to still be there-or that Philly fans still like him.

I guess you can speak to that last part better than me.

Snapshot moment in time, yeah, there are a lot people fed up with him

But there were a lot people ready to run Siriani and Hurts out of town about 5 weeks ago.

Philly fan barometers extremely volatile and not a good gauge for this type of stuff, particularly when things are going bad

Not to get my own thread derailed, but imo Siriani is still your weak link and will be the reason you guys don't win a chip this year. You're the most talented team in the league, with a major weakness at coach. IMO

He's kind of a dufus sometimes, but he also isn't in charge of the offense/playcalling or the defense, so

Three way, Booker to Houston, rebuilding package to Philly

LarsV8 wrote:Three way, Booker to Houston, rebuilding package to Philly

I'd do that as well but would Philly? They don't have their pick this year I thought. Booker would serve them better than whatever subpar assests the Rockets send over.

Those Suns picks will mean less since the Suns will be pairing Biid and KD.

Slim Charless wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Three way, Booker to Houston, rebuilding package to Philly

I'd do that as well but would Philly? They don't have their pick this year I thought. Booker would serve them better than whatever subpar assests the Rockets send over.

Those Suns picks will mean less since the Suns will be pairing Biid and KD.

Need someone to take on Beal’s contract and only send Phoenix about $10-15m so the Suns can get under the second apron.

That Booker and Embiid are close in salary doesn’t matter. Embiid makes at least $1 more than Booker, so Phoenix would enact a hard cap at the first apron. If they add other outgoing salary to send more combined than they get back, they’ll enact a hard cap at the second apron, and would have to end any trade below that second apron with the required minimum of roster spots filled.

Phoenix is currently $31.5m over the second apron and $42.3m over the first apron.

Embiid is the better/more impactful player.
Booker is younger/healthier.

Looking at their contracts - I think I'd rather have Book at this point.... but it's close.

youngcrev wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:I'm just curious to see everyone's opinions on this. Suns have lost 3 in a row and have a dire need at center. Seems like the team is better with KD running the show. They also have Beal to take the SG role if they move Book. Philly seems to have somewhat soured on Embiid with his constant drama and a Maxey/Booker/PG combo is deadly.

So:

Philly: Booker
PHX: Embiid

Who, if anyone adds and does this make sense for the teams?

Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

Embiid also can't be traded this season due to the extension.
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And this is even more important. Embiid can’t be dealt at all this season because he signed his extension that exceeds extend and trade rules. And every season, he’ll make more than Booker, so Phoenix cannot trade Booker for Embiid until they get under (and stay under for a full season due to hard cap they’d create) the second apron to aggregate salary.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

youngcrev wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Embiid makes more than Booker, and Phoenix is more than $31m over the second apron (so they can’t aggregate salaries, or take back more than they send out).

It can’t reasonably happen. For legal reasons.

Embiid also can't be traded this season due to the extension.
.

And this is even more important. Embiid can’t be dealt at all this season because he signed his extension that exceeds extend and trade rules. And every season, he’ll make more than Booker, so Phoenix cannot trade Booker for Embiid until they get under (and stay under for a full season due to hard cap they’d create) the second apron to aggregate salary.

That would work out too as the Suns have expiring deals that would bridge the gap in what Booker and Biid are making.

I would rather do the deal sooner, as I'm not sure how long Embiid will be around at this level but it is what it is.

tester551 wrote:Embiid is the better/more impactful player.
Booker is younger/healthier.

Looking at their contracts - I think I'd rather have Book at this point.... but it's close.

I think going forward Booker is the better call but if the Suns are on a KD time line, the is better to get pieces that fit him. The Suns can take a loss at SG if Beal can play at his current level. Hell be getting wide open shots with KD and Biid drawing attention.