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BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:00 am
by dcstanley
LAL in: Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, and Dayron Sharpe

BKN in: D'angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Max Lewis, 2028 Swap, 2029 unprotected FRP, 2025 SRP



Nets are reportedly open for business and cash in on three rotation players for an unprotected FRP, a post Lebron/AD swap, and a second. Lakers exchange flotsam for guys that could help them win. Of course, they'll have to pay Thomas next season which probably should give them pause.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:01 am
by Karmaloop
Lakers can't trade their '26 FRP outside of a pick swap because they owe their '25 pick to Atlanta and their '27 pick to Utah.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:30 am
by dcstanley
Karmaloop wrote:Lakers can't trade their '26 FRP outside of a pick swap because they owe their '25 pick to Atlanta and their '27 pick to Utah.

Thanks. Thought so but spotrac permitted it for some reason.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:52 am
by drchaos
dcstanley wrote:LAL in: Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, and Dayron Sharpe

BKN in: D'angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Max Lewis, 2028 Swap, 2029 unprotected FRP, 2025 SRP



Nets are reportedly open for business and cash in on three rotation players for an unprotected FRP, a post Lebron/AD swap, and a second. Lakers exchange flotsam for guys that could help them win. Of course, they'll have to pay Thomas next season which probably should give them pause.


The Nets have absolutely no reason to trade Cam Thomas.

You think the Nets will give him up AND Cam Johnson, and Dayron Sharpe without AD coming back?

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:18 am
by scoobs07
drchaos wrote:
dcstanley wrote:LAL in: Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, and Dayron Sharpe

BKN in: D'angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Max Lewis, 2028 Swap, 2029 unprotected FRP, 2025 SRP



Nets are reportedly open for business and cash in on three rotation players for an unprotected FRP, a post Lebron/AD swap, and a second. Lakers exchange flotsam for guys that could help them win. Of course, they'll have to pay Thomas next season which probably should give them pause.


The Nets have absolutely no reason to trade Cam Thomas.

You think the Nets will give him up AND Cam Johnson, and Dayron Sharpe without AD coming back?
Nets could probably get two first + a player for just Thomas and one 1st for Johnson. So, the Lakers are probably short at least one first with this deal, which they don't have.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:58 am
by mademan
scoobs07 wrote:
drchaos wrote:
dcstanley wrote:LAL in: Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas, and Dayron Sharpe

BKN in: D'angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Max Lewis, 2028 Swap, 2029 unprotected FRP, 2025 SRP



Nets are reportedly open for business and cash in on three rotation players for an unprotected FRP, a post Lebron/AD swap, and a second. Lakers exchange flotsam for guys that could help them win. Of course, they'll have to pay Thomas next season which probably should give them pause.


The Nets have absolutely no reason to trade Cam Thomas.

You think the Nets will give him up AND Cam Johnson, and Dayron Sharpe without AD coming back?
Nets could probably get two first + a player for just Thomas and one 1st for Johnson. So, the Lakers are probably short at least one first with this deal, which they don't have.


Ya i dont think so. 1 way scoring guards dont go for nearly this much.

As to the trade, i just dont see the needs here for the Lakers. Cam Thomas would be the 2nd guard option behind Reaves and unlikely to play beside him due to his poor defense and Knecht provides much of what Cam Johnson does at a fraction of the price. They have a real need at C and if theyre gonna send future 1st rounders, it should be to shore up that FC

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:49 pm
by DarkXaero
These lopsided proposals need to start getting locked, this is getting crazy. This shouldn't be NBA 2k with trade override on.

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Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:27 pm
by JKiddy
Do not lock these. I love the sicko Laker fans who do these. It is entertaining.

Jalen Hood Schifino and a lottery protected 1st in 2029 for 1992 Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen!

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:52 pm
by Karmaloop
DarkXaero wrote:These lopsided proposals need to start getting locked, this is getting crazy. This shouldn't be NBA 2k with trade override on.


These role players, not stars. Role players don't fetch unprotected FRPs.


JKiddy wrote:Do not lock these. I love the sicko Laker fans who do these. It is entertaining.

Jalen Hood Schifino and a lottery protected 1st in 2029 for 1992 Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen!


Wake me up when Cameron Johnson and Cam Thomas turn into '92 MJ and Pippen.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:18 am
by Decipher
Karmaloop wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:These lopsided proposals need to start getting locked, this is getting crazy. This shouldn't be NBA 2k with trade override on.


These role players, not stars. Role players don't fetch unprotected FRPs.


JKiddy wrote:Do not lock these. I love the sicko Laker fans who do these. It is entertaining.

Jalen Hood Schifino and a lottery protected 1st in 2029 for 1992 Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen!


Wake me up when Cameron Johnson and Cam Thomas turn into '92 MJ and Pippen.


Thomas & Johnson are averaging 43ppg

That Lakers platter is averaging 13 :lol:

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:30 am
by JKiddy
The issue is this.

The Nets guys are starters on every team (especially CamJo). They are all B to B+ guys. Cam Thomas is an A- with potential to be an A.

The 3 that might be traded are DFS, CamJo, and Dennis Schroder.

They are all substantially worth more than DLO, JHS, and Gabe Vincent.

I do think the Lakers can trade for one of them for a player and a 1st if that player is expiring as the Nets are tanking and will collect picks and will not take any extra salary.

I think the issue some people have is when people post that all three of those trade-able players on BK will be traded all for downgraded players and two crappy picks. You have to put yourself in the other teams shoes to see why it will actually make sense is all that people are saying.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:33 am
by Decipher
JKiddy wrote:The issue is this.

The Nets guys are starters on every team (especially CamJo). They are all B to B+ guys. Cam Thomas is an A- with potential to be an A.

The 3 that might be traded are DFS, CamJo, and Dennis Schroder.

They are all substantially worth more than DLO, JHS, and Gabe Vincent.

I do think the Lakers can trade for one of them for a player and a 1st if that player is expiring as the Nets are tanking and will collect picks and will not take any extra salary.

I think the issue some people have is when people post that all three of those trade-able players on BK will be traded all for downgraded players and two crappy picks. You have to put yourself in the other teams shoes to see why it will actually make sense is all that people are saying.


Yep

And here’s the thing with Cam J

He’s not old, plays a very valuable position, is under contract that he’s playing up to and having a career year

The Nets don’t have to trade him unless they’re blown away by the offer & can simply sit him if we’re winning too many games ( :lol: ) as he’s got a long injury history

Denis & DFS are far more obtainable by virtue of their age and contract situation IMO

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:34 am
by ejftw
I was today years old when I learned that Dayton Sharpe would start for every team and Cam Thomas is worth two firsts and a player, assuming meant someone worthwhile.

The OP is lopsided in the Lakers favor, no doubt, but c'mon, it's a lot closer than thinking Cam Thomas is worth two firsts.

Take out Thomas, Fino and the swap in the OP and there's something there imo

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:37 pm
by Mescalito345
The Lakers do not need either of the two Cams, but Sharpe would be useful as a backup center.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:48 pm
by Scoot McGroot
I think this offer is a lot closer than Brooklyn fans here might make it out to be? An unprotected first is worth more than any single piece here. Add in the swap, and that should net the Cam’s, even if they have to take on the additional year of Vincent. And Lewis for Sharpe is pretty close, and probably made up for with the 2nd, and additional value from the unprotected first and swap.

Unprotected firsts are valuable. Especially from teams that don’t have a long term future built up.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:18 pm
by Decipher
Scoot McGroot wrote:I think this offer is a lot closer than Brooklyn fans here might make it out to be? An unprotected first is worth more than any single piece here. Add in the swap, and that should net the Cam’s, even if they have to take on the additional year of Vincent. And Lewis for Sharpe is pretty close, and probably made up for with the 2nd, and additional value from the unprotected first and swap.

Unprotected firsts are valuable. Especially from teams that don’t have a long term future built up.


It’s not even remotely close

Mikal Bridges netted significantly more than that alone and both Cams are currently better than the version of Mikal we traded

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:32 pm
by JKiddy
Sharpe is likely not going anywhere unless they get an unprotected 1st and expiring in a deal. They want to keep the young promising guys for the rebuild.

The guys on the table are DFS, Schroder, and lightly CamJo if it makes sense. He has a descending contract and is playing extremely well. All 3 of these guys are and its quite obvious they will be difference makers for playoff bound teams. We are literally too good BECAUSE OF THEM.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:42 pm
by JKiddy
I think if the Nets really wanted to move him and build around Cam Thomas, Clowney, Wilson, and Claxton with the youth group coming in and maybe keep one of the other 3 vets so the team is stable for a year or two.... then maybe they would start with this convo and have the Lakers put that 2029 1st and an expiring IF they knew they were going to sign a big time FA or make a big time trade soon.

I have ZERO CLUE what they foresee happening. It all depends on their plan and Intel. Right now they have so many options because they have too much talent for a tank and have the best assets to trade in the league aside from OKC.

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:43 pm
by Scoot McGroot
Decipher wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:I think this offer is a lot closer than Brooklyn fans here might make it out to be? An unprotected first is worth more than any single piece here. Add in the swap, and that should net the Cam’s, even if they have to take on the additional year of Vincent. And Lewis for Sharpe is pretty close, and probably made up for with the 2nd, and additional value from the unprotected first and swap.

Unprotected firsts are valuable. Especially from teams that don’t have a long term future built up.


It’s not even remotely close

Mikal Bridges netted significantly more than that alone and both Cams are currently better than the version of Mikal we traded


Yes. Mikal Bridges better significantly more than that. And he was worth significantly more than the Cams have ever been.

Why do you think the Cams would even net close to what Mikal got at the time of trade (which even then, was a bit of an overpay because NY was in love with Mikal and the Villanova connections)?

Re: BKN/LAL

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:14 pm
by DarkXaero
Scoot McGroot wrote:I think this offer is a lot closer than Brooklyn fans here might make it out to be? An unprotected first is worth more than any single piece here. Add in the swap, and that should net the Cam’s, even if they have to take on the additional year of Vincent. And Lewis for Sharpe is pretty close, and probably made up for with the 2nd, and additional value from the unprotected first and swap.

Unprotected firsts are valuable. Especially from teams that don’t have a long term future built up.
An unprotected first is a gamble for both sides. It's a valuable asset but not what you're making it out to be. Lakers don't have a long term future lined up? Perhaps but LA Lakers are also the hottest destination in the NBA for stars and they've had hall of famers for a good portion of their existence.

Here the Nets are giving up Cam Johnson, who is playing like an elite role player right now that can slot into any contender seamlessly, locked in on a fairly friendly contract, and then Cam Thomas, who I'm not a fan of, but is objectively having a good year so far, still 23, getting better every year. Dayron Sharpe is thrown in here as some afterthought filler, but is actually a solid young backup C with upside. So Nets are just giving away all of that for a gamble? For a pick that might be gold or it might be a mid first or a late first? This is not a horrible trade for the Nets?

Nets could trade both Cam's separately and get more than this.