Giannis to Cleveland

[DowJones]

Cleveland
-Giannis Antetokounmpo
-CJ McCollum

New Orleans
-Jarrett Allen
-Max Strus

Milwaukee
-Darius Garland
-Georges Niang
-2031 unprotected 1st (Cleveland)
-2025 1st (Milwaukee's own--from New Orleans)
-2027 1st (Milwaukee's own--from New Orleans)

Cleveland gets Giannis to pair with Mobley and Mitchell to be serious NBA title contenders for the next 4 or 5 years. New Orleans gets the center they have been after, and they get to keep all of their young talent. Milwaukee gets their picks back from New Orleans so that they can re-build. They also get a young PG for the future as well as a 2031 unprotected Cavs first that could be valuable when you consider Mitchell will be 35 and Giannis will be 37---and neither are terribly likely to still be on Cleveland's team.

Someone please correct me on the draft capital New Orleans has if I am wrong. I believe they own 2025 and 2027 Milwaukee first round picks.

[YayBasketball]

Someone please correct me on the draft capital New Orleans has if I am wrong. I believe they own 2025 and 2027 Milwaukee first round picks.

The 2025 MIL 1st only goes to NOP if it lands 1-4. If it lands 5-30, then it goes to BKN.
NOP has the better of the MIL or NOP 2027 1st, and ATL has the worse of the MIL or NOP 2027 1st.

[jbk1234]

I feel like our spacing would be problematic after this. I'm also not willing to throw away a 15-0 start because we lost by 3, to the defending champs, on a night where all of Wade, Okoro, LeVert and Strus were unavailable. A lot people insisted we break up this team last summer. I'd finish out the season and playoffs.

[Jkam31]

CJ worth more than Giannis now

[RiotPunch]

I feel like our spacing would be problematic after this. I'm also not willing to throw away a 15-0 start because we lost by 3, to the defending champs, on a night where all of Wade, Okoro, LeVert and Strus were unavailable. A lot people insisted we break up this team last summer. I'd finish out the season and playoffs.

Absolutely hilarious for Cleveland to not take this and laugh their asses off all the way to the bank. Take the homer glasses off, you would do unforgivable things to have a Mitchell/Mobley/Giannis core.

Abhorrent return for Giannis. /vomit

[toooskies]

NOP gets cut out. Cleveland might have to take Middleton back instead of McCollum. NOP doesn't look like a buyer at this deadline.

But I agree that Cleveland doesn't make this trade with the way things are going. Not even a valid trade till close to the deadline.

[brackdan70]

CJ worth more than Giannis now

lol, no

[Kencapers68]

[quote="DowJones"]Cleveland
-Giannis Antetokounmpo
-CJ McCollum

New Orleans
-Jarrett Allen
-Max Strus

Milwaukee
-Darius Garland
-Georges Niang
-2031 unprotected 1st (Cleveland)
-2025 1st (Milwaukee's own--from New Orleans)
-2027 1st (Milwaukee's own--from New Orleans)

Cleveland gets Giannis to pair with Mobley and Mitchell to be serious NBA title contenders for the next 4 or 5 years. New Orleans gets the center they have been after, and they get to keep all of their young talent. Milwaukee gets their picks back from New Orleans so that they can re-build. They also get a young PG for the future as well as a 2031 unprotected Cavs first that could be valuable when you consider Mitchell will be 35 and Giannis will be 37---and neither are terribly likely to still be on Cleveland's team.

Someone please correct me on the draft capital New Orleans has if I am wrong. I believe they own 2025 and 2027 Milwaukee first round picks. There must've been drugs involved when tou submitted this post. There's no way in hell the Bucks even look at this. NY sends out 4-5 FRPs for Bridges who's not even a super star like Giannis. A top 3 player in the NBA. This I'd plain disrespectful

[brackdan70]

Cleveland is 15-1 with a nicely balanced team. They shouldn’t F that up, even for Giannis.
That said I think I agree that NOP inclusion messes up the value.
Send Milwaukee Garland and Allen plus picks and it’s closer. Also I think a Dame trade needs to happen first if Bucks are going to blow it up.

[Kencapers68]

[quote="Kencapers68"][quote="DowJones"]Cleveland
-Giannis Antetokounmpo
-CJ McCollum

New Orleans
-Jarrett Allen
-Max Strus

Milwaukee
-Darius Garland
-Georges Niang
-2031 unprotected 1st (Cleveland)
-2025 1st (Milwaukee's own--from New Orleans)
-2027 1st (Milwaukee's own--from New Orleans)

Cleveland gets Giannis to pair with Mobley and Mitchell to be serious NBA title contenders for the next 4 or 5 years. New Orleans gets the center they have been after, and they get to keep all of their young talent. Milwaukee gets their picks back from New Orleans so that they can re-build. They also get a young PG for the future as well as a 2031 unprotected Cavs first that could be valuable when you consider Mitchell will be 35 and Giannis will be 37---and neither are terribly likely to still be on Cleveland's team.

Someone please correct me on the draft capital New Orleans has if I am wrong. I believe they own 2025 and 2027 Milwaukee first round picks.]

[DowJones]

NOP gets cut out. Cleveland might have to take Middleton back instead of McCollum. NOP doesn't look like a buyer at this deadline.

But I agree that Cleveland doesn't make this trade with the way things are going. Not even a valid trade till close to the deadline.

I was having a tough time finding a viable trade package that works in the trade machine if it is just Milwaukee and Cleveland trading together.

[Kencapers68]

There must've been heavy drug use or heavy drinking involved when you submitted this post. Why would the Bucks trade a top 3 player for this garbage? Make it make sense. NY traded 5 FRPs for Bridges and he's not even in the same stratosphere as Giannis. Please post only when you're somber

[Texas Chuck]

CJ worth more than Giannis now

Don't.

[Texas Chuck]

There must've been drugs involved when tou submitted this post. There's no way in hell the Bucks even look at this. NY sends out 4-5 FRPs for Bridges who's not even a super star like Giannis. A top 3 player in the NBA. This I'd plain disrespectful

You are new here. But we don't attack other posters like this. Please stick to criticizing the ideas not attacking the poster in the future.

[DowJones]

There must've been heavy drug use or heavy drinking involved when you submitted this post. Why would the Bucks trade a top 3 player for this garbage? Make it make sense. NY traded 5 FRPs for Bridges and he's not even in the same stratosphere as Giannis. Please post only when you're somber

I was thinking about how Milwaukee could regain their own draft capital to begin a proper rebuild, but I can certainly understand why they might reject the deal. That said, the clock is ticking. You have three more playoff runs with Giannis under contract, and his value will be at this level if you trade him with two years left. If the Bucks want the massive value you seem to think he holds, they need to act now—unless, of course, you believe Doc can turn things around. Good luck.

[DowJones]

I feel like our spacing would be problematic after this. I'm also not willing to throw away a 15-0 start because we lost by 3, to the defending champs, on a night where all of Wade, Okoro, LeVert and Strus were unavailable. A lot people insisted we break up this team last summer. I'd finish out the season and playoffs.

The Cavs will continue to face spacing issues in the playoffs, regardless of whether this trade happens. I also saw how the Celtics targeted Darius with Tatum and Brown on nearly every possession down the stretch, and that will continue as well. That is actually more concerning than the spacing. I believe the Cavs have a better chance against Boston with a closing lineup like Mitchell, LeVert, Wade, Giannis, and Mobley, or Mitchell, LeVert, Okoro, Giannis, and Mobley. To me, it’s a straightforward decision for Cleveland. The Cavs can compete now, but after this trade, they would be in a much better position to actually win a title.

[jbk1234]

I feel like our spacing would be problematic after this. I'm also not willing to throw away a 15-0 start because we lost by 3, to the defending champs, on a night where all of Wade, Okoro, LeVert and Strus were unavailable. A lot people insisted we break up this team last summer. I'd finish out the season and playoffs.

The Cavs will continue to face spacing issues in the playoffs, regardless of whether this trade happens. I also saw how the Celtics targeted Darius with Tatum and Brown on nearly every possession down the stretch, and that will continue as well. That is actually more concerning than the spacing. I believe the Cavs have a better chance against Boston with a closing lineup like Mitchell, LeVert, Wade, Giannis, and Mobley, or Mitchell, LeVert, Okoro, Giannis, and Mobley. To me, it’s a straightforward decision for Cleveland. The Cavs can compete now, but after this trade, they would be in a much better position to actually win a title.

Things to consider: Derrick White is the best defensive guard in the NBA. Instead of being assigned to Garland, he's going to be assigned to Mitchell. The Celtics will absolutely play some type of box and one against the Cavs after this and live with all the guys you have starting, except Mitchell, shooting threes.

Yes the Celtics targeted Garland going down the stretch, especially with Niang instead of Allen providing help, but I'd encourage you to go back and look at their conversion rate doing that. The very obvious defensive breakdown was playing that zone with a three guard lineup against one of the best three point shooting teams in the league.

Garland had a bad game offensively. He needs to watch the tape. He got baited into commiting too often. Both White and Horford are very good at recovering from the backside. However, if the Celtics game plan is going to be to stop Garland come what may, then there are ways to counter that. Maybe Garland averages double digit assists but only 12 ppg in that series.

[tidho]

Things to consider: Derrick White is the best defensive guard in the NBA. Instead of being assigned to Garland, he's going to be assigned to Mitchell. The Celtics will absolutely play some type of box and one against the Cavs after this and live with all the guys you have starting, except Mitchell, shooting threes.

Yes the Celtics targeted Garland going down the stretch, especially with Niang instead of Allen providing help, but I'd encourage you to go back and look at their conversion rate doing that. The very obvious defensive breakdown was playing that zone with a three guard lineup against one of the best three point shooting teams in the league.

Garland had a bad game offensively. He needs to watch the tape. He got baited into commiting too often. Both White and Horford are very good at recovering from the backside. However, if the Celtics game plan is going to be to stop Garland come what may, then there are ways to counter that. Maybe Garland averages double digit assists but only 12 ppg in that series.

you might be right about all of this... and every bit of it supports the idea of making the OP trade if you have the chance. shockingly two small guards might become problematic against the best teams in the playoffs, lol. if you can add Giannis and not give up Mobley, don't think CLE could realistically say no. then you dump the GM and get someone in here that can build around a roster transformed by a large trade.

[JayMKE]

Please stop making terrible Giannis trades idk why mods defend this

[Jkam31]

CJ worth more than Giannis now

lol, no

CJ worth more than Giannis now

Don't.

I guess I should’ve put a question mark… NO getting more value for CJ than Milwaukee is