Who wants Embiid and Paul George (together or separate)

[JimmyPlopper]

It may be difficult to trade them before summer 2025. But what kind of packages could Philly get that would contain primarily

1) promising young front court players
2) draft picks
3) expiring salaries

This is with the idea of wanting to create a new era with Maxey and McCain

[LarsV8]

I'm sure Embiid would return a haul, but can't see anyone taking George.

[giberish]

I'm sure Embiid would return a haul, but can't see anyone taking George.

George was always expected to be an ugly contract for the last year or two, the hope was that he would be good enough in the first 2-3 years to be worth it. Now that looks unlikely.

I'd also wonder how much value Embiid has in a trade. At a minimum he'd have to get back fully healthy as opposed to just being on-court but clearly not 100% before anyone gives value for him.

[Mavrelous]

I can see a team like the Hornets shooting their shot with Embiid, I don't think he'll net what MVP calibre player should net.

[Godaddycurse]

Wiggins + expirings + ? for george? Would GSW give the same offer they did to LAC ?

[gswhoops]

Wiggins + expirings + ? for george? Would GSW give the same offer they did to LAC ?

I doubt it at this point. We'd have to trade 4 or 5 for 1 (which would obliterate the depth that's been driving our success so far this season) for a guy who looks pretty cooked and has 4 years left at $50MM per year.

Embiid can't be traded at all this year FYI because he recently signed an extension.

[NW]

Wiggins + expirings + ? for george? Would GSW give the same offer they did to LAC ?

CP3s contract was critical in the PG hunt for the Warriors. Without it, would have kill the team’s depth just to make the money work, much less get the value Philly and Morey would want

[Godaddycurse]

Wiggins + expirings + ? for george? Would GSW give the same offer they did to LAC ?

CP3s contract was critical in the PG hunt for the Warriors. Without it, would have kill the team’s depth just to make the money work, much less get the value Philly and Morey would want

pretty sure wiggins had to be outgoing regardless of CP3's contract or not if GSW ant to stay under 1st apron to legally complete a S&T.

[NW]

Wiggins + expirings + ? for george? Would GSW give the same offer they did to LAC ?

CP3s contract was critical in the PG hunt for the Warriors. Without it, would have kill the team’s depth just to make the money work, much less get the value Philly and Morey would want

pretty sure wiggins had to be outgoing regardless of CP3's contract or not if GSW ant to stay under 1st apron to legally complete a S&T.

Without the CP3 deal, it'd take a lot more than Wiggins to make the money work, plus the whatever value Philly would want

[Scoot McGroot]

It may be difficult to trade them before summer 2025. But what kind of packages could Philly get that would contain primarily

1) promising young front court players
2) draft picks
3) expiring salaries

This is with the idea of wanting to create a new era with Maxey and McCain

Embiid can’t legally be traded at all until after Philly’s season is over. He signed an extension and is trade restricted until March after this years trade deadline.

[Godaddycurse]

CP3s contract was critical in the PG hunt for the Warriors. Without it, would have kill the team’s depth just to make the money work, much less get the value Philly and Morey would want

pretty sure wiggins had to be outgoing regardless of CP3's contract or not if GSW ant to stay under 1st apron to legally complete a S&T.

Without the CP3 deal, it'd take a lot more than Wiggins to make the money work, plus the whatever value Philly would want

MOney wise it would take Wiggins/Melton/GPII/Looney. I dont think that messes up with your depth much. But yes would likely take additional value (not sure how much though)

[NW]

pretty sure wiggins had to be outgoing regardless of CP3's contract or not if GSW ant to stay under 1st apron to legally complete a S&T.

Without the CP3 deal, it'd take a lot more than Wiggins to make the money work, plus the whatever value Philly would want

MOney wise it would take Wiggins/Melton/GPII/Looney. I dont think that messes up with your depth much. But yes would likely take additional value (not sure how much though)

Just that limits center options (as the goal is to play Dray less at center and save wear and tear on him by only doing it in crunch time). Wiggins/Melton/GP2 is pretty much the entire perimeter defense in a league with a ton of killer guards and wings

[Godaddycurse]

Without the CP3 deal, it'd take a lot more than Wiggins to make the money work, plus the whatever value Philly would want

MOney wise it would take Wiggins/Melton/GPII/Looney. I dont think that messes up with your depth much. But yes would likely take additional value (not sure how much though)

Just that limits center options (as the goal is to play Dray less at center and save wear and tear on him by only doing it in crunch time). Wiggins/Melton/GP2 is pretty much the entire perimeter defense in a league with a ton of killer guards and wings

Melton is out for the year already and george replaces wiggins, so you basically need to replace GPII and Looney, which probably can be done with vet mins. This frees up some minutes for podz too.

[NW]

MOney wise it would take Wiggins/Melton/GPII/Looney. I dont think that messes up with your depth much. But yes would likely take additional value (not sure how much though)

Just that limits center options (as the goal is to play Dray less at center and save wear and tear on him by only doing it in crunch time). Wiggins/Melton/GP2 is pretty much the entire perimeter defense in a league with a ton of killer guards and wings

Melton is out for the year already and george replaces wiggins, so you basically need to replace GPII and Looney, which probably can be done with vet mins. This frees up some minutes for podz too.

Vet min aren’t going to replace one guy who is arguably one of the better POA defenders in the league or a guy who can rebound and defend like Loon. Not sure if you want to put George on the opposing teams best scoring perimeter guy either these days. Podz isn’t hurting for minutes

[gswhoops]

I mean the bigger problem here is that PG looks totally cooked, to the point where it's not even clear he's an upgrade over Wiggins, and he still has over $200 million left on his deal.

Making the deal CBA compliant is a secondary issue.

[toooskies]

The Cavs could use last year's version of PG, and could even package a group of Strus/LeVert/Okoro/Niang for PG+filler to acquire him, but the same reason the Clippers passed on signing him to a max is why Cleveland won't take him now. Just way too much risk to have him on a max deal when he's playing the way he has this year.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean the bigger problem here is that PG looks totally cooked, to the point where it's not even clear he's an upgrade over Wiggins, and he still has over $200 million left on his deal.

Yeah this is the crux of it for me too. I agree with godaddy that it doesn't really kill the depth. Looney is a loss but he's playing 15 mpg. It's far from killer. But if he's not making the team meaningfully better, taking on that contract just makes no sense at all.

Hard to sell GSW on this deal when Wiggins is looking pretty good again to start the year and PG isn't. I know that can easily flip the other direction at any point, but with Wiggins being a durable player and PG not especially as he ages, I'd pass on this one pretty quickly.

[Godaddycurse]

I mean the bigger problem here is that PG looks totally cooked, to the point where it's not even clear he's an upgrade over Wiggins, and he still has over $200 million left on his deal.

Yeah this is the crux of it for me too. I agree with godaddy that it doesn't really kill the depth. Looney is a loss but he's playing 15 mpg. It's far from killer. But if he's not making the team meaningfully better, taking on that contract just makes no sense at all.

Hard to sell GSW on this deal when Wiggins is looking pretty good again to start the year and PG isn't. I know that can easily flip the other direction at any point, but with Wiggins being a durable player and PG not especially as he ages, I'd pass on this one pretty quickly.

I just find it interesting one month of subpar play/health from george is enough to make GSW (fans) change their mind on a transaction they pushed really hard for in the offseason

[Texas Chuck]

I just find it interesting one month of subpar play/health from george is enough to make GSW (fans) change their mind on a transaction they pushed really hard for in the offseason

My guess is its at least as much about how good they've looked with this roster as it is about concerns about PG. I think this off-season they probably thought they needed to take a chance like that. Now they probably see less urgency.

[gswhoops]

Hard to sell GSW on this deal when Wiggins is looking pretty good again to start the year and PG isn't. I know that can easily flip the other direction at any point, but with Wiggins being a durable player and PG not especially as he ages, I'd pass on this one pretty quickly.

I just find it interesting one month of subpar play/health from george is enough to make GSW (fans) change their mind on a transaction they pushed really hard for in the offseason

My guess is its at least as much about how good they've looked with this roster as it is about concerns about PG. I think this off-season they probably thought they needed to take a chance like that. Now they probably see less urgency.

IMO these are both more or less accurate. Since the offseason what we've learned is that:

(1) The Warriors, and Wiggins, look better than expected
(2) The Sixers, and PG, look worse than expected

So I doubt we're in any rush to take on a bunch of extra money for a guy who, right now, doesn't look like an improvement over what we already have.