Edit: Any interest in Randle and DDV?

[Danimals]

Edited to add DDV. I’d much rather the Wolves bring back NAW over DDV. In theory DDV is a better shooter, but that might not be true. NAW does everything else better, especially play defense. Overall the Kat trade has been both a big talent downgrade as well as fit. Both DDV and Randle likely would add much more on better fitting teams.


Randle has not been a good fit in MN this year, and doesn’t look like a long term piece. He remains the same player he has always been. He can create offense for himself and others, gets to the line, rebounds, and is a poor defender.

He could fit on teams that lack overall talent and want to raise their floor, lacking offensive production, lacking size at forward, or an existing structure that can limit his defensive weaknesses.

MN could use any of: a vet upgrade at PG to, a young athletic center to develop, a 4/5 capable of playing with both Naz and Rudy, and draft capital. Ideally no long term salary unless it’s a clear rotation piece. MN is over the 2nd apron and so cannot combine salaries going out or take back more than Randle’s contract.

Detroit, Charlotte, Houston, Miami, LA, anybody?

[shrink]

Randle 4.2 APG, 6.6 RPG, 21.8 PPG, 35.9% 3P on 4.9 3PA. $33.0, $30.9 PO

[HornetJail]

Detroit, Charlotte, Houston, Miami, LA, anybody?

Grant Williams (plus more of course) might've been an interesting piece for MIN before he blew out his knee, but no real interest from Charlotte unless he's coming at barely above neutral value. I don't have any interest in paying him his next contract. He'd be a cool stopgap for a year or two and that's all I really value him at.

[jazzfan1971]

I can't see my Jazz having interest. We are trying to keep the ball moving. Even if something like Collins and a pick for Randle would be a talent upgrade I just don't see us doing it for chemistry reasons.

[babyjax13]

We are seeing what happens when a team doesn't fit him perfectly. I'll throw out the Clippers as a possible spot, but they don't have anything Minnesota really needs that they would trade, so a third team would be needed. Just don't see a ton of value in him - just as I didn't when he was in New York. An expiring, and a mid-first (12-18) still feels about right.

[Klomp]

I think a decent comparison for a potential trade framework is the Sabonis for Haliburton package.

Like Sabonis, Randle is a very unique player, and to maximize value, Minnesota would need to find a trade partner that believes in Randle's ability and wants him as a productive player and not just a contract. Also, Sacramento was a franchise looking to take a step forward as a franchise after a long playoff drought. Randle does bring an infusion of talent, even if there might be an adjustment period. Sacramento also had a little bit of a roster glut in the backcourt, with Haliburton and Fox splitting time, meaning their talents were not being maximized as-is. These are all things that made trading for Sabonis make sense for Sacramento, and are the types of things Minnesota should be looking for in an interested trade partner.

A few franchises I think could fit into some of these categories are Atlanta, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit and Houston.

[KembaWalker]

I would be highly interested, we don't really have an underutilized redundant talent that Klomp suggested though. LaMelo/Miller/Williams would be the core they'd want to add Randle to and theres not much left. Miles Bridges and some scraps for Randle, I dunno if that majorly helps either team. Charlotte needs a talent infusion not a fit swap so I'm looking for max talent for picks/expirings and thats not what Minny needs rn is it? seems like youd have to find another team or two

[Klomp]

seems like youd have to find another team or two

This is definitely possible and maybe even likely.

I'm not saying this is a thing, but one idea that has floated in my head once was involving Bridges going to a third team such as Detroit, perhaps. The Pistons have Duren and Stewart essentially splitting center minutes. Heck, they even have Paul Reed rotting away on the bench. Trading away one could help them unlock the other, and we know Detroit has had interest in Bridges in the past.

Charlotte is exactly the type of team that I think Connelly should be on the phones with, just for the fact that they check so many of the boxes.

[LarsV8]

A fairly inconsistent player on a year to year basis, 30 years old, expensive, player option, questionable health.

I think you might find a team that would swap some spare parts, but I doubt there would be much interest in general.

[psman2]

seems like youd have to find another team or two

This is definitely possible and maybe even likely.

I'm not saying this is a thing, but one idea that has floated in my head once was involving Bridges going to a third team such as Detroit, perhaps. The Pistons have Duren and Stewart essentially splitting center minutes. Heck, they even have Paul Reed rotting away on the bench. Trading away one could help them unlock the other, and we know Detroit has had interest in Bridges in the past.

Det had the money to chase Bridges this offseason and didn't do it. They instead choose to sign Harris. I don't think they going to pivot to another PF this season.

Houston - Don't see it. They are much better off continuing to develop the Eason/Smith combo who are both a better fit next to Sengun. There is not enough available usage in Houston to utilize Randle anyways. They need to upgrade Green to take the next step.

Atlanta - Johnson is their PF, no need for Randle.

Brooklyn is in the middle of a rebuild regardless of their current record and are not going to waste assets on Randle. They are very likely going to sell off anything of value soon. If they really want Randle they will just wait and sign him in the offseason.

Chicago - At least there is somewhat of an opening there, but what is the point. A Randle/Lavine/Vuc/White team is a play in team at best still.

Charlotte in theory is the best option listed. Bridges/filler/protected 1st of some kind is likely the best offer out there. I wouldn't do it for Charlotte but wouldn't be surprised if it went down.

[Klomp]

Chicago - At least there is somewhat of an opening there, but what is the point. A Randle/Lavine/Vuc/White team is a play in team at best still.

To be fair, people have been asking "what is the point" about most of Chicago's moves this decade.

[Kiss of Death]

I don’t know what the Houston front office thinks about Randle, but I personally don’t want him anywhere near the Rockets.

[psman2]

Chicago - At least there is somewhat of an opening there, but what is the point. A Randle/Lavine/Vuc/White team is a play in team at best still.

To be fair, people have been asking "what is the point" about most of Chicago's moves this decade.

True... I wouldn't be surprised if they make another shortsighted move. I would hope they have learned from their past mistakes but might not have. But what would the trade even look like there? Likely not much more than PatW/Jalen Smith and a 1st. Is that better than just keeping Randle?

Minny going to find it hard to find a trade that matches their needs and likely will determine riding it out this season with Randle is the best course of action.

[drosestruts]

Miami seems like a potentially interesting pairing if a package of Rozier, Highsmith, and Richardson carried any value for Minnesota.

You be able to flank Randle with great defenders in Butler and Bam.

Miami has long needed some more size and scoring punch.

For Minnesota they get the vet guard help in Rozier and Richardson and some 4 depth in Highsmith.

[ChettheJet]

I can't see my Jazz having interest. We are trying to keep the ball moving. Even if something like Collins and a pick for Randle would be a talent upgrade I just don't see us doing it for chemistry reasons.

With the Knicks Randle did tend to stop the ball. He was a different player but Demar DeRozan often slowed the ball down working to get to his spot for his mid range shot and the 4 other Bulls could only watch so they didn't get in his way. It's been proven for the past two + seasons if the Bulls move the ball and 27+ assists they win most of the time. So adding Randle, even if he does appear to be the PF the Bulls could use would likely have to ball for too long as the clock ran down and he'd give it up so someone else had to take the last second shot.

What I'd look at is a 3 or 4 team deal with more players in motion where Lavine's big contract moves to where someone likes him, the Bulls get John Collins and even Clarkson if necessary and Randle finds a new home and there are other player in motion to balance the money

[hugepatsfan]

I think a decent comparison for a potential trade framework is the Sabonis for Haliburton package.

Like Sabonis, Randle is a very unique player, and to maximize value, Minnesota would need to find a trade partner that believes in Randle's ability and wants him as a productive player and not just a contract. Also, Sacramento was a franchise looking to take a step forward as a franchise after a long playoff drought. Randle does bring an infusion of talent, even if there might be an adjustment period. Sacramento also had a little bit of a roster glut in the backcourt, with Haliburton and Fox splitting time, meaning their talents were not being maximized as-is. These are all things that made trading for Sabonis make sense for Sacramento, and are the types of things Minnesota should be looking for in an interested trade partner.

A few franchises I think could fit into some of these categories are Atlanta, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit and Houston.

That's not a good comparison at all, IMO. Sabonis was traded at 25 years old with multiple years left on his deal on a below market extension. Randle is 30 years old with an opt out. And at 25 years old, Sabonis had his value inflated by the belief that he still had room to grow because he was still a couple years before what's considered prime. No one expects Randle to make any improvements to his game at this point.

No one is giving up a Haliburton type prospect for Randle. Not even close.

[Klomp]

I think a decent comparison for a potential trade framework is the Sabonis for Haliburton package.

Like Sabonis, Randle is a very unique player, and to maximize value, Minnesota would need to find a trade partner that believes in Randle's ability and wants him as a productive player and not just a contract. Also, Sacramento was a franchise looking to take a step forward as a franchise after a long playoff drought. Randle does bring an infusion of talent, even if there might be an adjustment period. Sacramento also had a little bit of a roster glut in the backcourt, with Haliburton and Fox splitting time, meaning their talents were not being maximized as-is. These are all things that made trading for Sabonis make sense for Sacramento, and are the types of things Minnesota should be looking for in an interested trade partner.

A few franchises I think could fit into some of these categories are Atlanta, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit and Houston.

That's not a good comparison at all, IMO. Sabonis was traded at 25 years old with multiple years left on his deal on a below market extension. Randle is 30 years old with an opt out. And at 25 years old, Sabonis had his value inflated by the belief that he still had room to grow because he was still a couple years before what's considered prime. No one expects Randle to make any improvements to his game at this point.

No one is giving up a Haliburton type prospect for Randle. Not even close.

This is fair.

And to be fair. I don't think I have ever expected a Haliburton-type prospect in return. I think the highest level "prospect" I've even wondered about is like an Isaiah Stewart or Patrick Williams level player.

[ejftw]

We are seeing what happens when a team doesn't fit him perfectly. I'll throw out the Clippers as a possible spot, but they don't have anything Minnesota really needs that they would trade, so a third team would be needed. Just don't see a ton of value in him - just as I didn't when he was in New York. An expiring, and a mid-first (12-18) still feels about right.

Yeah, I'm one of the few that wouldn't mind taking a swing on Randle, but there's really no route to get it done. If Mann was eligible to be dealt, I believe Mann/Bones/PJ would work under the CBA, but T isn't due to signing his extension so late. Doubt Minny would do that anyway.

And I don't foresee anyway they use Norm in such a trade either

[Danimals]

This thread is even more depressing than I expected. It definitely seems a 3 team trade would be needed.

At this point I’d like to trade him for expirings and any picks possible. Then MN use this year to assess all the young guys around Ant.

They also need another vet who can hold Ant accountable. He has insane talent, but takes far too many plays and games off.

[JayTWill]

Prior to this off-season I always wondered what Randle would look like in the Heat's "Culture". Randle is a talented player but I always felt he needed someone to rein him in. Miami seems to provide a much more structured environment and I felt like Jimmy would be someone who would be unafraid to push back against some of Randle's ways.

On the court he could have filled a hole at the 4 while providing someone to help carry the load in the regular season if Jimmy was taking it easy. Bam could cover some of his defensive weaknesses. Looking at how the Wolves are currently trying to use DDV and their lack of a true backup center I wonder if it would have been a better idea this off-season to potentially attempt a 3 team deal between Minny/NY/MIA. Maybe something like

Miami gets Randle
NY gets KAT
Minny gets Herro, Robinson, picks

I'm not sure how many more picks Minny could have been extracted from either NY or Miami but I feel like Herro fills the role of scorer/shooter/facilitator better than DDV. DDV is obviously a better contract but not exactly a great fit in an on-ball creator role so far and his reputation as a defender is a bit overstated at times. Robinson is injury prone but he might do well in a smaller backup role to Rudy with Reid getting spot minutes there also.

Gobert/Robinson/Reid
Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/NAW
Edwards/Herro
Conley/Dillingham/Herro

Not a splashy return for someone like KAT but I feel like the pieces would have fit much better together and the ages lineup closer to Ant also.

I'm not sure if the Wolves front office would be willing to commit to the money for that group without the ability to just let someone like Randle walk in free agency if he opts-out. I assume they would have gotten extra draft capital for this deal from New York and possibly some more from Miami if they bought low on Herro in the off-season but he is playing well and healthy at the moment. I'm not sure if the Heat would give up anything for Randle now.