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Anthony
Howard
Better of 25 ORL/DEN 1st (top 5 protected)

for

Cam Johnson

Brooklyn gets a prospect and a first and saves some long-term money.
Orlando is again great defensively and mediocre on offense and they are desperate for shooting. Even when Banchero gets back they need shooting.

CamJo is a 3/4 same position as Bancjero and Wagner, if the Magic are piling on more salary, which I doubt they want, it will be on a different position, namely on-ball creation.

and the idea of adding Simons rears its ugly head one more time.....

Mavrelous wrote:CamJo is a 3/4 same position as Bancjero and Wagner, if the Magic are piling on more salary, which I doubt they want, it will be on a different position, namely on-ball creation.

They could definitely use on-ball creation, but those threads have been done. They also desperately need shooting and in today's NBA positions just don't have the meaning they once had. You can play all three of those guys together very easily plus there would be 28 minutes for Johnson even if you never played them all at the same time.

He might not be the ideal shooter with the ideal contract though. But I maintain shooting is a major need to help unlock that offense.

Yes, you can play them together, the question is why do you willingly create a 2nd Apron team with this limitation.
I'd try to trade the 1st for a further away 1st on the draft, or do a trade based on KCP contract, their cap situation isn't great for the level of team they'd be building and the loss in flexibility.
I have zero familiarity with the ownership of the Magic, but history and size of market tells me, they won't be reckless spenders.

You can make a trade that helps this year, not be a 2nd apron team and then re-visit in the summer or in 2 years considering Anthony/Howard both have money on the books for next year and they don't take on the gtd 1st round money. As I say way too often, one trade doesn't preclude others.

Again, maybe that's a risk they don't want to take and they'd prefer an expiring shooter or they'd prefer to move out more salary(I think they have to believe with KCP's track record his shooting will come around). But they don't take on that much money for next year giving them even more time to address 2nd apron issues as needed.

I don't think 2nd apron issues are a real concern with this trade.

i would add a kcp for schroder swap to the OP for magic for payroll and balance purposes

Texas Chuck wrote:You can make a trade that helps this year, not be a 2nd apron team and then re-visit in the summer or in 2 years considering Anthony/Howard both have money on the books for next year and they don't take on the gtd 1st round money. As I say way too often, one trade doesn't preclude others.

Again, maybe that's a risk they don't want to take and they'd prefer an expiring shooter or they'd prefer to move out more salary(I think they have to believe with KCP's track record his shooting will come around). But they don't take on that much money for next year giving them even more time to address 2nd apron issues as needed.

I don't think 2nd apron issues are a real concern with this trade.

The last year of CamJo contract will make 2nd Apron a likely outcome.
Yes, you can overcome the odd fit, yes, you can manage the cap concerns later, I just wouldn't walk willingly into this situation.
If it was for Dame for example? Yes, I'd risk 2nd Apron and odd defensive fit, for Cam jo? Nope, the reward doesn't justify the risk.

KCP was supposed to fix their shooting woes, if he doesn't, trade him, add the 2 1sts in 25 and other stuff and get an upgrade.

I like da Silva's multi-faceted skillset and salary more than I like Cam's excellent shooting and big salary...not enough minutes with Isaac, Moe Wagner, da Silva, and now Wendell Carter as bigs off the bench. I'd hold onto Jett, who could easily become Cam, before I'd commit that much for another bench big, especially a mediocre defender (Mosley won't play those guys).

I'd send the same package (or less) for a vet PG to score and primarily QB the second unit. I like Schroder because he's expiring and German and likely very available...the Wagners would be able to vouch for his ability to accept that role (or not). If Lonzo looks like he can play reliably (on limited minutes, etc - like Isaac's program), he'd be my choice as he meets all of the ORL criteria...positionally oversized, very good defender, high BBIQ, 3pt range...prime Lonzo is what we all hope for Anthony Black to ultimately become.

I would love Cam Johnson on this team but it would be a 1-2 year rental. We wont be able to extend him after Paolo's supermax kicks in. We would need to include KCP in that deal. KCP, Cole and 1st for Cam? Sign me up

OrlandoDream wrote:I would love Cam Johnson on this team but it would be a 1-2 year rental. We wont be able to extend him after Paolo's supermax kicks in. We would need to include KCP in that deal. KCP, Cole and 1st for Cam? Sign me up

Whoa Whoa Whoa...KCP does everything Cam does AND is an elite defender...both make around $22m. No way do I add a pick and, honestly, I don't do it at all. Why trade your starter for a guy destined to be a limited minutes backup (don't tell me Cam's defending guards)?

As a Celtics fan, I hope ORL’s front office thinks similarly to their fans with a refusal to make any positive tweaks to this years team that aren’t a slam dunk home run. Its always nice when your competition refuses to improve on the margins.

hugepatsfan wrote:As a Celtics fan, I hope ORL’s front office thinks similarly to their fans with a refusal to make any positive tweaks to this years team that aren’t a slam dunk home run. Its always nice when your competition refuses to improve on the margins.

Believe me...I'm all about making improvements NOW over just watching "internal development" because ORL's best players are young. Ironically, some cite BOS as the model for drafting and being patient...reality is that BOS drafted 2 great players and moved everything around them to contend. I do think that Paolo & Franz are ready to contend - NOW...that's a blessing that they're ahead of schedule, not a reason to waste seasons watching them do their thing without constantly solidifying their supporting cast. Suggs and (recently) Black look like studs, KCP and others are good pieces that are up to it as well but, imo, ORL needs one significant move to improve their backcourt playmaking and scoring to contend with the best teams in the league...why wait?

That doesn't mean that Cam Johnson is the right move - just because he's available.

2 frps this summer...no reason in the world to bring in 2 more 19 year olds to this young lineup. Make a move, ORL.

Yes. No questions. No changes.

Do it yesterday.

It also makes a lot of sense for all the players involved.

Cole Anthony goes back home to NY and has a little more flexibility to recoup some of his trade value.

Jett Howard goes to a rebuilding team that is coached by his father.

Brooklyn gets a FRP in a deep draft.

Orlando isn’t forced to draft TWO additional rookies while having one of the youngest teams in the league.

Orlando gets a player thats locked up and fits perfectly stylistically.

This is a yes from Brooklyn.

And I honestly think that Johnson, Paolo and Franz can all play together, either as 2-3-4, or in short bursts as a small ball 3-4-5 lineup.

Good trade.
I think both teams should consider this. Maybe BRK wants a bit more value?
Orlando turns some minor assets into a major one. Fit or not they are young and need to make moves like this to get to the next level. Plus Can may help a lot this year and going forward.

Is Cole Anthony a negative asset at this point? Feels like Brooklyn could do better than this
The draft pick also has very low upside.

JMAC3 wrote:Is Cole Anthony a negative asset at this point? Feels like Brooklyn could do better than this
The draft pick also has very low upside.

Agreed.

Maybe if Anthony went to a third team that wanted him and the Nets got someone they wanted to keep (or better draft assets) this deal could work.

JMAC3 wrote:Is Cole Anthony a negative asset at this point? Feels like Brooklyn could do better than this
The draft pick also has very low upside.

I mean he’s right around the MLE and essentially an expiring next season.

And still a capable player that is only 24.

I agree that he isn’t a positive asset, but his contract or production isn’t detrimental at all.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

JMAC3 wrote:Is Cole Anthony a negative asset at this point? Feels like Brooklyn could do better than this
The draft pick also has very low upside.

I mean he’s right around the MLE and essentially an expiring next season.

And still a capable player that is only 24.

I agree that he isn’t a positive asset, but his contract or production isn’t detrimental at all.

Just still lacks upside, meh filler in Cole, semi-failed draft pick in Howard and then the big payoff is a pick that might be mid 20s?

If Brooklyn is rebuilding I think a future Lakers pick alone is better, any unprotected pick is probably better and there are a ton of those already moved once that could be reshuffled to Nets.

For instance, if Hornets were interested and offered the top 2 protected Mavs 27 first or 27 Heat pick that would be more entertaining to me for Brooklyn.