NOP-WAS-LAL :: Ingram and Val to Lakers

[zimpy27]

Lakers get Ingram, Val
Lakers give Rui, DLo, Vincent, LAL29FRP

Pelicans get Rui, DLo, LAL29FRP
Pelicans give Ingram, SRPs

Wiz get Vincent, SRPs
Wiz give Val


The SRPs here would be the details that makes the trade I think. I suspect 3-4.

[mhd]

Why would the Wizards do this? Vincent is a negative contract. The Wizards already have a million second round picks coming up the next drafts. They won't have roster room for those players if they add more. Unless they get a future 1st down the line, they might as well keep Val as a bulky center to prevent Sarr from getting targeted even more.

[Frichuela]

Why would the Wizards do this? Vincent is a negative contract. The Wizards already have a million second round picks coming up the next drafts. They won't have roster room for those players if they add more. Unless they get a future 1st down the line, they might as well keep Val as a bulky center to prevent Sarr from getting targeted even more.

This. 100%. The Wizards have too many 2nd rounders already.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Why would the Wizards do this? Vincent is a negative contract. The Wizards already have a million second round picks coming up the next drafts. They won't have roster room for those players if they add more. Unless they get a future 1st down the line, they might as well keep Val as a bulky center to prevent Sarr from getting targeted even more.

This. 100%. The Wizards have too many 2nd rounders already.

Bismack Biyombo could fill that role

[Mrakar]

3-4 2nd rounders? That means pelicans are trading Ingram for DLo and Rui straight up. I would rather let him walk...

[Lucky Once]

For Washington I kind of get the value depending on what those second rounders are, but I also agree with the posters above. The team just has so many second round picks over the next few seasons they can't realistically make all of those selections. That may or may not be appropriate value for JV, but personally I'd rather keep him as a mentor to Sarr if he can't be packaged in some way to bring back a first.

[schaffy]

Holiday season sales time in full swing as it looks like the Lakers are trying to get a BOGO sale here. Like they are paying a cost for Ingram but then asking NO to toss in the value that goes to Washington so the Lakers can also get Val out of it?

And I'd agree with others that getting more seconds for Val isn't something Washington should do right now. His contract is fine, he fits a role. If someone wanted to give a 1st for him that changes things. But more 2nds and not even an expiring contract? This same deal is going to be there for them in the offseason or next year if they wanted it then. No rush.

[DonaldSanders]

Lakers need to give up a lot more here.

[giberish]

Ingram for DLo, Rui and a 2029 1st feels about right.

I don't see Washington dealing Jonas V for a multiple year unwanted contract without a 1st or at least a high 2nd. I don't see NO adding a good 2nd to the ingram part. So that's an issue.

[Texas Chuck]

Lakers need to give up a lot more here.

Define a lot. Because expirings and an unprotected first post AD/LEbron feels like the high end on BI. And if JV was worth more than 2nds he wouldn't have signed that early for that cheap. He would have had a bigger market.

I think the value is probably about right.

[DonaldSanders]

Lakers need to give up a lot more here.

Define a lot. Because expirings and an unprotected first post AD/LEbron feels like the high end on BI. And if JV was worth more than 2nds he wouldn't have signed that early for that cheap. He would have had a bigger market.

I think the value is probably about right.

"A lot" was probably an overstatement while writing quickly. I think the Lakers are getting too much for veterans they don't seem to have interest in (they are in every trade thread) and one FRP. I'd have the Pelicans not sending SRPs and instead the Lakers sending them as DLO will likely exercise his player option and Hachimura has another year on his contract. I doubt the Pelicans would be that excited to have these guys on the squad next year.

But I think the Washington part of the trade needs to be nixed, because if I was WAS I'd only be taking back an expiring for Val/SRPs. Vincent is a negative contract.

[doogie_hauser]

Lakers are in no healthy position to trade away any more future first round picks

They find themselves in their current mess mainly cause they kept on trading their future firsts.

[daoneandonly]

I'm in the cap that the deal favors LAL.

D Lo sucks, Vincent and Rui are overpaid. Getting two valuable pieces for just one FRP seems light

[Syko_boB]

Sub in the Blazers for the Wizards

Framework ; other guys can be added to keep Portland under the tax -
Williams III + Thybulle FOR Hachimura + Vincent
Hachimura + Russell + Vincent + 29 1st FOR Ingram + Thybulle
Ingram FOR Williams III + Russell + 29 1st

[redslastlaugh]

Lakers get Ingram, Val
Lakers give Rui, DLo, Vincent, LAL29FRP

Pelicans get Rui, DLo, LAL29FRP
Pelicans give Ingram, SRPs

Wiz get Vincent, SRPs
Wiz give Val


The SRPs here would be the details that makes the trade I think. I suspect 3-4.

I think just Ingram to LAL makes more sense as a two team trade, so no Jonas, no Wizards. And I don’t think NOP gets enough value in this deal.

I’d propose as an alternative:
Lakers trade Russell, Reaves, 2029 unprotected 1st
Lakers receive Brandon Ingram

If Lakers insist on Rui and want to keep Reaves out, then it’d be
Lakers trade Russell, Rui, 2029 1st unprotected, 2031 1st (top 4 protected)

[zimpy27]

Lakers get Ingram, Val
Lakers give Rui, DLo, Vincent, LAL29FRP

Pelicans get Rui, DLo, LAL29FRP
Pelicans give Ingram, SRPs

Wiz get Vincent, SRPs
Wiz give Val


The SRPs here would be the details that makes the trade I think. I suspect 3-4.

I think just Ingram to LAL makes more sense as a two team trade, so no Jonas, no Wizards. And I don’t think NOP gets enough value in this deal.

I’d propose as an alternative:
Lakers trade Russell, Reaves, 2029 unprotected 1st
Lakers receive Brandon Ingram

If Lakers insist on Rui and want to keep Reaves out, then it’d be
Lakers trade Russell, Rui, 2029 1st unprotected, 2031 1st (top 4 protected)

That's too much value for Ingram. Russell, Rui, FRP is likely the value.

I do agree that it could just be with Pelicans though I suspect they try to get under the tax line

[Daddy 801]

The Laker trades I see usually are not realistic. The Lakers need a center and some sort of wing or guard to become competitive. The reality is they will need to trade multiple picks (29 and 31) to get the players they need to be competitive.

Even as a Jazz fan we have a chance to trade with the Lakers and they could remove their protections on the 27th pick we own so we should be good trade partners. Let’s say the Lakers wanted Kessler and Sexton….I would want both the 29th and 31st pick AND the protections removed on the 27th pick we own. Thats probably one of the best deals the Lakers could get because if they consolidate all their picks for one player they will be depleted of players besides a “big 3”. But what “big 3” player is coming back for 2 picks?

Laker fans (Laker-realGM’s) will think the Jazz should just give Kessler and Sexton for one draft pick. That would be an easy pass.

The landscape is a lot of teams are willing to tank this season, but many of them aren’t willing to trade players without competing teams “over paying” for good complimentary players. And that’s a result of so many teams that are rebuilding having so many picks. I think the landscape of how the NBA will work because of the new CBA and how many teams own so many picks has changed what teams on the cusp of competing have to pay to get good players on rebuilding teams and what teams will have to pay to trade bad contracts to rebuilding teams.

I could be wrong, but I just think the idea of what a player is worth is not the same as it was before. Value is subjective and the landscape of what teams own and what is needed to pay to get players is not what it was even just a few years ago. If a team on the cusp wants to break into being competitive, I believe they will have to pay more than they did in the past. And once a team gambles and their trades don’t work out…they will have to trade their stars to get assets back and rebuild. Yes, LA is different than other teams in attracting talent, but other teams don’t have to help teams like LA when their are other teams they can trade their players too.

[nzahir]

The Laker trades I see usually are not realistic. The Lakers need a center and some sort of wing or guard to become competitive. The reality is they will need to trade multiple picks (29 and 31) to get the players they need to be competitive.

Even as a Jazz fan we have a chance to trade with the Lakers and they could remove their protections on the 27th pick we own so we should be good trade partners. Let’s say the Lakers wanted Kessler and Sexton….I would want both the 29th and 31st pick AND the protections removed on the 27th pick we own. Thats probably one of the best deals the Lakers could get because if they consolidate all their picks for one player they will be depleted of players besides a “big 3”. But what “big 3” player is coming back for 2 picks?

Laker fans (Laker-realGM’s) will think the Jazz should just give Kessler and Sexton for one draft pick. That would be an easy pass.

The landscape is a lot of teams are willing to tank this season, but many of them aren’t willing to trade players without competing teams “over paying” for good complimentary players. And that’s a result of so many teams that are rebuilding having so many picks. I think the landscape of how the NBA will work because of the new CBA and how many teams own so many picks has changed what teams on the cusp of competing have to pay to get good players on rebuilding teams and what teams will have to pay to trade bad contracts to rebuilding teams.

I could be wrong, but I just think the idea of what a player is worth is not the same as it was before. Value is subjective and the landscape of what teams own and what is needed to pay to get players is not what it was even just a few years ago. If a team on the cusp wants to break into being competitive, I believe they will have to pay more than they did in the past. And once a team gambles and their trades don’t work out…they will have to trade their stars to get assets back and rebuild. Yes, LA is different than other teams in attracting talent, but other teams don’t have to help teams like LA when their are other teams they can trade their players too.

Insane to think were giving up those 2 picks and removing the protection on the swap for Sexton and Kessler

Doesnt even fix the defensive issues

Sexton is a bad defender, not even sure if hes better than Dlo tbh

What big games has Sexton played in?

Kessler is a fine C, but not a floor spacer and not an all nba level defender

PASS

Lakers need to go for high risk high reward guys that are cheap

Lavine
Lonzo
Ben Simmons
Rw3
BI

[DanishLakerFan]

Lakers get Ingram, Val
Lakers give Rui, DLo, Vincent, LAL29FRP

Pelicans get Rui, DLo, LAL29FRP
Pelicans give Ingram, SRPs

Wiz get Vincent, SRPs
Wiz give Val


The SRPs here would be the details that makes the trade I think. I suspect 3-4.

LA would have to take this deal, of course, although you are going to have to pay BI a **** of money in the summer, and I'm a bit concerned with his fit.

Wizards pass though as it would have to be a FRP.

Would probably try to throw a JHS, FRP plus 2nds at Utah for Kessler instead.

[Daddy 801]

The Laker trades I see usually are not realistic. The Lakers need a center and some sort of wing or guard to become competitive. The reality is they will need to trade multiple picks (29 and 31) to get the players they need to be competitive.

Even as a Jazz fan we have a chance to trade with the Lakers and they could remove their protections on the 27th pick we own so we should be good trade partners. Let’s say the Lakers wanted Kessler and Sexton….I would want both the 29th and 31st pick AND the protections removed on the 27th pick we own. Thats probably one of the best deals the Lakers could get because if they consolidate all their picks for one player they will be depleted of players besides a “big 3”. But what “big 3” player is coming back for 2 picks?

Laker fans (Laker-realGM’s) will think the Jazz should just give Kessler and Sexton for one draft pick. That would be an easy pass.

The landscape is a lot of teams are willing to tank this season, but many of them aren’t willing to trade players without competing teams “over paying” for good complimentary players. And that’s a result of so many teams that are rebuilding having so many picks. I think the landscape of how the NBA will work because of the new CBA and how many teams own so many picks has changed what teams on the cusp of competing have to pay to get good players on rebuilding teams and what teams will have to pay to trade bad contracts to rebuilding teams.

I could be wrong, but I just think the idea of what a player is worth is not the same as it was before. Value is subjective and the landscape of what teams own and what is needed to pay to get players is not what it was even just a few years ago. If a team on the cusp wants to break into being competitive, I believe they will have to pay more than they did in the past. And once a team gambles and their trades don’t work out…they will have to trade their stars to get assets back and rebuild. Yes, LA is different than other teams in attracting talent, but other teams don’t have to help teams like LA when their are other teams they can trade their players too.

Insane to think were giving up those 2 picks and removing the protection on the swap for Sexton and Kessler

Doesnt even fix the defensive issues

Sexton is a bad defender, not even sure if hes better than Dlo tbh

What big games has Sexton played in?

Kessler is a fine C, but not a floor spacer and not an all nba level defender

PASS

Lakers need to go for high risk high reward guys that are cheap

Lavine
Lonzo
Ben Simmons
Rw3
BI

So no trade. Fine with me.