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- Heat swap Butler for Ingram who is not as good, but closer in timeline to Bam / Herro
- Pelicans get a great prospect SG in Whitmore who needs to land in a place where he can actually get on the court.
- Rockets add a Butler rental without losing any current rotation guys

i imagine Butler cost more than whitmore and expirings

Not bad. I think pelicans need to send 2 players to Rockets to balance this. Perhaps Theis and Green.

I think perhaps Rockets need to send over some pick compensation.

FRP to Pels and a couple SRPs to Miami.

Houston owes something more. Not sure what, but this isn't enough

I'm not feeling this for Miami. Feels light on value and it's definitely Houston that should be contributing value. I think both New Orleans and Miami are owed a first

Houston has the Suns pick in 2025, currently 13th.

That pick + Whitmore is too much too be honest.

Not to mention, Stepian rule, can't move the pick anyway.

Cam Whitmore really doing some heavy lifting today. But hey when you can play 10 mpg for 8 games while making 5% of your 3's, naturally he's enough to land whatever player you want.

Not sure the point in not offering value for a player really. That feels more suited for a fansite than a league wide trade board trying to get a fair value for all parties involved.

Cam Whitmore is 20, and had a good rookie year.

year 2 is sample size. Currently tearing up the G League.

His value should be high.

He didn't really have a good rookie year. I mean he was fine. But nothing jumped out here is this high level prospect then and certainly you have to understand a season like this decreases his value.

He certainly doesn't have Jimmy Butler, Devin Booker centerpiece, KD centerpiece that he's been valued at now. He's a fine addition to a deal because hey he is young and has some talent so that's a nice little piece to a team dealing a star. But asking them to take him as their only incentive? I think you have to aim much much lower.

If it took a decent prospect to net Ingram, I feel as if he'd have been dealt a while ago. New Orleans is basically paying for Houston to turn said prospect into Jimmy Butler, who, while is at the lowest value he's had I'ma while, isn't at this level.

Texas Chuck wrote:Cam Whitmore really doing some heavy lifting today. But hey when you can play 10 mpg for 8 games while making 5% of your 3's, naturally he's enough to land whatever player you want.

Not sure the point in not offering value for a player really. That feels more suited for a fansite than a league wide trade board trying to get a fair value for all parties involved.

I think he's hanging the hat on the rookie season because yeah he's looked bad this season.

zimpy27 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Cam Whitmore really doing some heavy lifting today. But hey when you can play 10 mpg for 8 games while making 5% of your 3's, naturally he's enough to land whatever player you want.

Not sure the point in not offering value for a player really. That feels more suited for a fansite than a league wide trade board trying to get a fair value for all parties involved.

I think he's hanging the hat on the rookie season because yeah he's looked bad this season.

I really don't think he did look bad before the rotation tighted his threes just were not falling at all which is probably just small sample theater, always been a good shooter. Not saying other teams should value him but I don't think he's as bad as his minute totals suggest, just a 20 yo on a roster with a ton of dudes at a position with a ton of dudes
And I like to think I'm on of the more critical rockets fans, or at least that's what people yell at me on Twitter over

K_chile22 wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Cam Whitmore really doing some heavy lifting today. But hey when you can play 10 mpg for 8 games while making 5% of your 3's, naturally he's enough to land whatever player you want.

Not sure the point in not offering value for a player really. That feels more suited for a fansite than a league wide trade board trying to get a fair value for all parties involved.

I think he's hanging the hat on the rookie season because yeah he's looked bad this season.

I really don't think he did look bad before the rotation tighted his threes just were not falling at all which is probably just small sample theater, always been a good shooter. Not saying other teams should value him but I don't think he's as bad as his minute totals suggest, just a 20 yo on a roster with a ton of dudes at a position with a ton of dudes
And I like to think I'm on of the more critical rockets fans, or at least that's what people yell at me on Twitter over

If he hadn't had his rookie season he'd be lumped in with JHS. Neither look bad when watching them but statistically are not looking good.

I do think the rookie season is the reason he may have positive value but the value is only mildly positive at this stage. I don't think other teams would value him more than the Rockets. Better off giving up other assets like picks.

LarsV8 wrote:Cam Whitmore is 20, and had a good rookie year.

year 2 is sample size. Currently tearing up the G League.

His value should be high.

His value right now is as a sweetener. A nice piece, but not the centerpiece of any big trade. He's a guy you kick the tires on if you get the chance, but you don't HAVE to have him. If he's included in the deal, great, but if not, meh.

You have New Orleans giving up Ingram for him. Granted, Ingram's value isn't sky-high, but he certainly would command more than Whitmore and nothingness.

Now, you're stealing Zimpy's idea but neglecting the fact that, in that trade, Miami got another starter in D'Angelo Russell. Granted, he's not the best, but he's expiring and he's a starter. Tate would struggle to find time in Miami with Ingram, Herro, Highsmith, Robinson, and Jacquez all in front of him in the rotation, so we need sweetener, too.

K_chile22 wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Cam Whitmore really doing some heavy lifting today. But hey when you can play 10 mpg for 8 games while making 5% of your 3's, naturally he's enough to land whatever player you want.

Not sure the point in not offering value for a player really. That feels more suited for a fansite than a league wide trade board trying to get a fair value for all parties involved.

I think he's hanging the hat on the rookie season because yeah he's looked bad this season.

I really don't think he did look bad before the rotation tighted his threes just were not falling at all which is probably just small sample theater, always been a good shooter. Not saying other teams should value him but I don't think he's as bad as his minute totals suggest, just a 20 yo on a roster with a ton of dudes at a position with a ton of dudes
And I like to think I'm on of the more critical rockets fans, or at least that's what people yell at me on Twitter over

The sample size is basically meaningless. He's played less than 2 games of minutes. And I'll admit I've personally witnessed probably only a handful of those minutes. But the numbers suggest he's been bad beyond not hitting his jumpers. Rebounding is down, stocks are down, the offense with him on the court is busto. Team is infinitely better when he's not on the court, etc...

I'm not trying to say he has no value. I assume there are still teams that like him and would give something. I don't think he lets you turn meh expirings into Jimmy Butler though. Even if Miami is one of the teams that likes him.

Calling him a high level prospect is a stretch though obviously.

To each their own I guess.

LarsV8 wrote:To each their own I guess.

So tweak it. Adjust the value. Take the feedback you've been given and make a deal that works for everyone, or if paying more than a middling prospect and meh is a price too high, then admit defeat and move on, but I'd honestly prefer to see you try and meet people in the middle...

BBallFreak wrote:So tweak it. Adjust the value. Take the feedback you've been given and make a deal that works for everyone, or if paying more than a middling prospect and meh is a price too high, then admit defeat and move on, but I'd honestly prefer to see you try and meet people in the middle...

There is no tweak.

When we disagree on value, its just non tenable.

And that is okay.

LarsV8 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:So tweak it. Adjust the value. Take the feedback you've been given and make a deal that works for everyone, or if paying more than a middling prospect and meh is a price too high, then admit defeat and move on, but I'd honestly prefer to see you try and meet people in the middle...

There is no tweak.

When we disagree on value, its just non tenable.

And that is okay.

It's kind of a massive disagreement, though. You see him as the centerpiece for an all-star whereas the rest of the world sees him as a light sweetener. I mean, no one outside of the Houston fanbase seems to agree with you, which might give you a better indication of where you're at.

LarsV8 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:So tweak it. Adjust the value. Take the feedback you've been given and make a deal that works for everyone, or if paying more than a middling prospect and meh is a price too high, then admit defeat and move on, but I'd honestly prefer to see you try and meet people in the middle...

There is no tweak.

When we disagree on value, its just non tenable.

And that is okay.

Agree here. IF you really believe Whitmore is the level of prospect you are selling him as, then you should stick to your guns on that. I'd hope you'd understand why some of us are skeptical, but you are under no obligation to change your belief in the guy.

I've been stubborn myself and been right(once or twice) and wrong (who's counting? ).