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With a $23 million cap hit and not having played a game yet this season, is there any trade market for him post December 15th?

I don’t see any role for him on Raps given Walter was drafted and Dick has emerged along with Agbaji with Temple being pseudo bench cheerleader.

I’m not sure if Raps would take on salary beyond this season in order to get draft collateral.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets bought out soon as I don’t think he’s worth more than MLE in free agency this summer.

Glad he got his pay day but life comes at you fast and hard when you don't have Jokic to lean on. Joker helps a lot of dudes make some money.

BigGargamel wrote:Glad he got his pay day but life comes at you fast and hard when you don't have Jokic to lean on. Joker helps a lot of dudes make some money.

He was a player before Jokic too tho. Statistically, his best year was the season before he went to Denver on BRK. Being showcased on a winning team and making plays in the playoffs got him paid (and that is thanks to Jokic). But he was the same or better player the year before and has been dealing with injuries since

He's got to return to play a few games you'd think.

Lakers will have interest for DLo+

Maybe Toronto could jump in any eventual Ben Simmons trade with a Brown/Boucher/Olynyk package and take Simmons while getting a handful of 2nds to buy out Simmons around the deadline?

But yeah, Bruce has to get healthy and play. After that, he's basically going to have to be attached to a larger deal as the 3rd team where a team gets Brown for a lesser wanted expiring, or Toronto bites the bullet and takes a multi year deal for Bruce (or say a $10m per multi year and a $13m expiring or something) and the Raptors get some pick or prospect for that?

Hard to have interest when you aren’t playing . And that’s before considering matching salary from the other team & other trade restrictions.

He will get traded for 1-2 2nds +filler...maybe a possible young guy that the other team has given up on.

he never had value on that contract. But at least all the threads demanding a first for him are over.

Would love to hear those who feel differently name some specific teams who would give expirings and incentive for him though. You need a team with enough dead salary who wants to pay for him. That's a pretty tough needle. Maybe GSW since Melton is out for the year would give you a 2nd? IDK.

Best bet would be as an expiring deal to facilitate a trade if the Raptors were willing to take back future salary. With the chatter and made up hypotheticals between Brooklyn and GSW, he came to mind if the Warriors needed to include Wiggins in the deal. I don't know if Toronto would want future money on the books though.

I don't think there will be enough a domino or 2 drops. Need some big contracts to move. Like Houston has enough expirings, but they don't need Bruce Brown. If they want to make a move, maybe Brown is in a 3 way deal.

Texas Chuck wrote:he never had value on that contract. But at least all the threads demanding a first for him are over.

Would love to hear those who feel differently name some specific teams who would give expirings and incentive for him though. You need a team with enough dead salary who wants to pay for him. That's a pretty tough needle. Maybe GSW since Melton is out for the year would give you a 2nd? IDK.

DLo+JHS+SRP

Brown would have to come back healthy and look decent

TheNetsFan wrote:Best bet would be as an expiring deal to facilitate a trade if the Raptors were willing to take back future salary. With the chatter and made up hypotheticals between Brooklyn and GSW, he came to mind if the Warriors needed to include Wiggins in the deal. I don't know if Toronto would want future money on the books though.

Brown’s only “value” at this point is using his expiring to take on future money; so if Toronto’s not willing to do that then this should be a pretty short thread

gswhoops wrote:

TheNetsFan wrote:Best bet would be as an expiring deal to facilitate a trade if the Raptors were willing to take back future salary. With the chatter and made up hypotheticals between Brooklyn and GSW, he came to mind if the Warriors needed to include Wiggins in the deal. I don't know if Toronto would want future money on the books though.

Brown’s only “value” at this point is using his expiring to take on future money; so if Toronto’s not willing to do that then this should be a pretty short thread

That's not true. If Brown comes back and shows improved play after recovering from his injuries he has value on the court as well. See above how LAL would pay expirings and a 2nd for him.

What you're describing is someone like melton or tucker who offers nothing on court

Godaddycurse wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

TheNetsFan wrote:Best bet would be as an expiring deal to facilitate a trade if the Raptors were willing to take back future salary. With the chatter and made up hypotheticals between Brooklyn and GSW, he came to mind if the Warriors needed to include Wiggins in the deal. I don't know if Toronto would want future money on the books though.

Brown’s only “value” at this point is using his expiring to take on future money; so if Toronto’s not willing to do that then this should be a pretty short thread

That's not true. If Brown comes back and shows improved play after recovering from his injuries he has value on the court as well. See above how LAL would pay expirings and a 2nd for him

Yes, that’s why I said “at this point”

zimpy27 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:he never had value on that contract. But at least all the threads demanding a first for him are over.

Would love to hear those who feel differently name some specific teams who would give expirings and incentive for him though. You need a team with enough dead salary who wants to pay for him. That's a pretty tough needle. Maybe GSW since Melton is out for the year would give you a 2nd? IDK.

DLo+JHS+SRP

Brown would have to come back healthy and look decent

Given that he wasn't really effective last season either I don't think there's enough time before the deadline for Brown to establish on-court value.

giberish wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:he never had value on that contract. But at least all the threads demanding a first for him are over.

Would love to hear those who feel differently name some specific teams who would give expirings and incentive for him though. You need a team with enough dead salary who wants to pay for him. That's a pretty tough needle. Maybe GSW since Melton is out for the year would give you a 2nd? IDK.

DLo+JHS+SRP

Brown would have to come back healthy and look decent

Given that he wasn't really effective last season either I don't think there's enough time before the deadline for Brown to establish on-court value.

he was injured last year/dealing with a nagging knee issue and had surgery in offseason

Godaddycurse wrote:

giberish wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:
DLo+JHS+SRP

Brown would have to come back healthy and look decent

Given that he wasn't really effective last season either I don't think there's enough time before the deadline for Brown to establish on-court value.

he was injured last year/dealing with a nagging knee issue and had surgery in offseason

People seem to ignore that Brown was playing well before the trade. He started 33 games for Indiana, generating 12 points, 5 boards and 3 assists in 30 mpg while providing solid defense. Aside from the knee issue, it should have surprised no one that he was unable to maintain those numbers on a Toronto squad that was one of the worst in the league at the time. Even the Toronto numbers, 10 points, 4 boards and almost 3 assists in 26 minutes, would make him a solid rotation piece on many teams, including Golden State, Miami, Sacramento, LAL or Houston as potential destinations. Sure, he has to play enough to show that he can provide at least that level of effectiveness before any trade, and it will be challenging to make salaries work, but the narrative that he's only expiring salary is overdone.

islandboy53 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

giberish wrote:
Given that he wasn't really effective last season either I don't think there's enough time before the deadline for Brown to establish on-court value.

he was injured last year/dealing with a nagging knee issue and had surgery in offseason

People seem to ignore that Brown was playing well before the trade. He started 33 games for Indiana, generating 12 points, 5 boards and 3 assists in 30 mpg while providing solid defense. Aside from the knee issue, it should have surprised no one that he was unable to maintain those numbers on a Toronto squad that was one of the worst in the league at the time. Even the Toronto numbers, 10 points, 4 boards and almost 3 assists in 26 minutes, would make him a solid rotation piece on many teams, including Golden State, Miami, Sacramento, LAL or Houston as potential destinations. Sure, he has to play enough to show that he can provide at least that level of effectiveness before any trade, and it will be challenging to make salaries work, but the narrative that he's only expiring salary is overdone.

Nobody is saying he's not a fine role players when healthy. What many of us do think though is that he's not worth his contract. Most players of his ilk make the MLE or less. And the teams who want a guy like this are almost certainly going to be apron teams which makes cobbling up the money to trade for him hard. How many teams have enough expiring money worse than him to begin with?

I know some folks stick to the 10 years ago belief that any expiring is positive value. But we know now that's false. Teams pay to dump expiring contracts all the time. IF you are overpaid, you don't have positive value. So you need a team with less useful expirings and a desire for Brown.

We will see but my guess is the decision to pick up the option is the mistake many non-Raptors fans said it was at the time. We were assured a deal was already in place--and told it involved a first-- but I expect the end to be a buyout.

I still have no clue why he was guaranteed the 23M, just a baffling decision....

Mavrelous wrote:I still have no clue why he was guaranteed the 23M, just a baffling decision....

to use as a trade fodder if needed. we wouldnt have had much capspace if we declined him (after olynyk extension)/didn't have any FA targets in mind of note