Thunder/Portland

Post #1 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:21 pm

Dieng
Jaylin Williams
Worst 25 1st OKC ends up with (currently its Miami's pick at 21)

for

Robert Williams
27 MIN 2nd
28 POR 2nd

Portland gets a first out of Williams by giving back a couple future 2nds. Young players they get back seem to be low ceiling, but perfectly fine as matching.

OKC doesn't need Williams. If Chet is back, Williams is not playing. But this helps for now and protects them a bit as while I don't know that we can call Chet injury prone based on the 2 major injuries with an 82 game season mixed in, these lanky super tall guys have traditionally not been the most durable.

Just a flat out luxury move for OKC. Too good to have a potential hole they can fill this cheap.

jayjaysee · Post #2 » by **jayjaysee** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:38 pm

Can you legally call it OKC’s own 2025 first and put top 18ish protection on it? Add the verbiage that it can be whatever first OKC currently owns in 2026/2027 etc.

Miami feels closer to a Butler trade than a deep playoff run. But I hope they go on another run..

SkyHook · Post #3 » by **SkyHook** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:41 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Dieng
Jaylin Williams
Worst 25 1st OKC ends up with (currently its Miami's pick at 21)

for

Robert Williams
27 MIN 2nd
28 POR 2nd

Portland gets a first out of Williams by giving back a couple future 2nds. Young players they get back seem to be low ceiling, but perfectly fine as matching.

OKC doesn't need Williams. If Chet is back, Williams is not playing. But this helps for now and protects them a bit as while I don't know that we can call Chet injury prone based on the 2 major injuries with an 82 game season mixed in, these lanky super tall guys have traditionally not been the most durable.

Just a flat out luxury move for OKC. Too good to have a potential hole they can fill this cheap.

I like it. This will hard cap the Thunder at the first apron, but that shouldn't be a problem. Eats some of OKC's cap next season.

Post #4 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:41 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Can you legally call it OKC’s own 2025 first and put top 18ish protection on it? Add the verbiage that it can be whatever first OKC currently owns in 2026/2027 etc.

Miami feels closer to a Butler trade than a deep playoff run. But I hope they go on another run..

So not sure. OKC is certainly going to exercise its swap rights with Houston, right? Oh they can also pick the Clippers pick So Portland would end up with the Rockets or Clippers pick if the Heat sell off. Yeah its messy, but no chance OKC ends up with their own pick barring disaster.

Could just be a future pick, but figured OKC would rather pay now. I'm open to figuring out the best way to do value. This feels like a bit of an overpay by OKC as is.

jayjaysee · Post #5 » by **jayjaysee** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:49 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Can you legally call it OKC’s own 2025 first and put top 18ish protection on it? Add the verbiage that it can be whatever first OKC currently owns in 2026/2027 etc.

Miami feels closer to a Butler trade than a deep playoff run. But I hope they go on another run..

So not sure. OKC is certainly going to exercise its swap rights with Houston, right? Oh they can also pick the Clippers pick So Portland would end up with the Rockets or Clippers pick if the Heat sell off. Yeah its messy, but no chance OKC ends up with their own pick barring disaster.

Could just be a future pick, but figured OKC would rather pay now. I'm open to figuring out the best way to do value. This feels like a bit of an overpay by OKC as is.

Yeah, I’d be really afraid of the possibility of conveying the 12th pick for Robert Williams. But OKC can afford to overpay if they want.

Also feel like Dieng and 4-5 seconds could work. But understand most have rightfully given up on Dieng.

Post #6 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:51 pm

yeah there would need to be some protections(at least lotto). 4 2nds is probably more correct as well. Meh should have just posted the players and let Jay assign the value lol.

Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:57 pm

Maybe I'm higher on Dieng than I should be, but this feels like a pretty big overpay for a guy who simply hasn't shown he can stay healthy even with teams limiting his playing time.

psman2 · Post #8 » by **psman2** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 3:58 pm

You guys are a lot higher than me on RobW. 2 2nds/expiring seems like the high end on value on him, even with the 2nds coming back I not paying a 1st in that range for him. Not sure if maybe it is a case of overpaying because it is OKC and they have money to burn but I don't think any other team offers close to this and it's not Presti's mo to pay twice the next offer.

Post #9 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:01 pm

psman2 wrote:You guys are a lot higher than me on RobW. 2 2nds/expiring seems like the high end on value on him, even with the 2nds coming back I not paying a 1st in that range for him. Not sure if maybe it is a case of overpaying because it is OKC and they have money to burn but I don't think any other team offers close to this and it's not Presti's mo to pay twice the next offer.

No, you guys are right. It's just a miss by me on value in the OP.

Post #10 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:01 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Dieng
Jaylin Williams
Worst 25 1st OKC ends up with (currently its Miami's pick at 21)

for

Robert Williams
27 MIN 2nd
28 POR 2nd

Portland gets a first out of Williams by giving back a couple future 2nds. Young players they get back seem to be low ceiling, but perfectly fine as matching.

OKC doesn't need Williams. If Chet is back, Williams is not playing. But this helps for now and protects them a bit as while I don't know that we can call Chet injury prone based on the 2 major injuries with an 82 game season mixed in, these lanky super tall guys have traditionally not been the most durable.

Just a flat out luxury move for OKC. Too good to have a potential hole they can fill this cheap.

I know I just commented on the Kelly O thread that I don't think OKC needs to move for a big, but Williams has way more upside than Olynyk and they shouldn't have to give up much for him. I doubt they do this (probably just from a chemistry perspective) but I like the idea a lot. Do agree it's a bit high for Williams at this point given his inability to stay healthy.

wemby · Post #11 » by **wemby** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:21 pm

I'm not that high on RWIII's value, but if there's a team that can afford the gamble with no regrets for cost its the Thunder. Probably worth the cost if he can give you 3/4 meaningful games in a decisive series.

JRoy · Post #12 » by **JRoy** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:29 pm

I love it for POR so it’s a little too good, as others have said.

Change the FRP to a single SRP, I like those young guys for POR.

Blazinaway · Post #13 » by **Blazinaway** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:04 pm

JRoy wrote:I love it for POR so it’s a little too good, as others have said.

Change the FRP to a single SRP, I like those young guys for POR.

Agree, no problem with that FRP to SRP

Devilanche · Post #14 » by **Devilanche** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 10:32 pm

I’m not sure I want to be this invested into bigs who potentially missing quite a fair bit of time with Williams when we already have Chet.

Best case scenario either would be available all the time. Worst case scenario both is out at the same time.

Myth · Post #15 » by **Myth** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:36 am

Blazinaway wrote:
JRoy wrote:I love it for POR so it’s a little too good, as others have said.

Change the FRP to a single SRP, I like those young guys for POR.

Agree, no problem with that FRP to SRP

I agree that the current 1st is too good, but I have no interest in those players, so 1 2nd doesn’t cut it for me. I like Rob’s mentorship more than this package.