Spurs trade needs?

[winforlose]

I watched the Wolves play the Spurs last night, and it got me thinking about what pieces they have and what they lack. It almost made me wonder if Randle wouldn’t be a good pairing with Wemby (Wemby covers for Randle’s defense, and Randle draws some attention away from Wemby,) but I am not quite sure. I also wondered about getting more shooting around Wemby. I am curious what people think the Spurs need both to maintain their current timeline, and to possibly accelerate it?

[Astaluego]

A 3/4 who is a good shooter, is a proven player, but no, too old... my guesses Markkanen/Cam Johnson/Hunter

[DanishLakerFan]

Would the Spurs be interested in Rui Hachimura?

He's a 3/4 and quite strong, shoots 40% from 3 and is on a half-decent deal. At 26 he fits the timeline of Wemby and while he wont a be an all-star, he's likely going to be a quality rotation player going forward.

[zimpy27]

Yeah Randle would fit nicely. I could see Spurs throwing some money Randles way in free agency.

[winforlose]

Yeah Randle would fit nicely. I could see Spurs throwing some money Randles way in free agency.

Help me out here, I haven’t done the deep dive into next seasons salary math yet. But my Google search said the projected cap is 154.6 Million. The Spurs according to hoopshype salary page will have a payroll of “ $126,523,980.” Assuming these numbers are correct (I honestly don’t know am asking for someone to please correct me if I am wrong, thank you in advance,) the difference is $28,076,020. Randle is making more than that on his current option, and the Spurs cannot offer him beyond that with cap space. So are you suggesting a sign and trade to keep his bird rights? I am honestly asking as I am confused. Thank you for clarifying.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah Randle would fit nicely. I could see Spurs throwing some money Randles way in free agency.

Help me out here, I haven’t done the deep dive into next seasons salary math yet. But my Google search said the projected cap is 154.6 Million. The Spurs according to hoopshype salary page will have a payroll of “ $126,523,980.” Assuming these numbers are correct (I honestly don’t know am asking for someone to please correct me if I am wrong, thank you in advance,) the difference is $28,076,020. Randle is making more than that on his current option, and the Spurs cannot offer him beyond that with cap space. So are you suggesting a sign and trade to keep his bird rights? I am honestly asking as I am confused. Thank you for clarifying.

As of right now, you’re pretty close. But also, it’s early in this season. If SA ends up moving Barnes, Johnson, or Collins for an expiring, then they’ll open up a ton of space. Also, Tre Jones will be a free agent, and have a cap hold.

[jayjaysee]

IMO it’s Lauri for Keldon, Collins and “…” picks on draft night. Even try giving Butler a 3yr150

If they are wanting Randle or another big salary in free agency, I think you can dump Collins and/or one of Barnes/Keldon pretty easy, given their asset base, at the start of free agency.

A trade does make sense if Minn isn’t wanting to pay Randle and SAS does like the fit. The team feels good enough to waste a first or two on getting the kids in the playoffs. And the matching salary feels like a decent fit

[winforlose]

Yeah Randle would fit nicely. I could see Spurs throwing some money Randles way in free agency.

Help me out here, I haven’t done the deep dive into next seasons salary math yet. But my Google search said the projected cap is 154.6 Million. The Spurs according to hoopshype salary page will have a payroll of “ $126,523,980.” Assuming these numbers are correct (I honestly don’t know am asking for someone to please correct me if I am wrong, thank you in advance,) the difference is $28,076,020. Randle is making more than that on his current option, and the Spurs cannot offer him beyond that with cap space. So are you suggesting a sign and trade to keep his bird rights? I am honestly asking as I am confused. Thank you for clarifying.

As of right now, you’re pretty close. But also, it’s early in this season. If SA ends up moving Barnes, Johnson, or Collins for an expiring, then they’ll open up a ton of space. Also, Tre Jones will be a free agent, and have a cap hold.

So cap holds are a bit of a blind spot for me. Thank you for pointing that out .

Tre has a 17 million and change and CP3 has a 12 million and change cap hold according to Spotrac. Assuming they waive all of those, then you are suggesting they add another 19 million (give or take 2,) and sign Randle to a 45 million dollar deal. That is interesting for both sides. Randle would want to keep the money short term so that can get a bigger boost from the tv money as it trickles in. The Spurs would use up all the cap space, but would still be under the apron and have their full MLE. One question, at what point does the first round draft pick money start to count against the cap? Usually players are signed by summer league, but I don’t know if there is a timetable for that process.

[Scoot McGroot]

Help me out here, I haven’t done the deep dive into next seasons salary math yet. But my Google search said the projected cap is 154.6 Million. The Spurs according to hoopshype salary page will have a payroll of “ $126,523,980.” Assuming these numbers are correct (I honestly don’t know am asking for someone to please correct me if I am wrong, thank you in advance,) the difference is $28,076,020. Randle is making more than that on his current option, and the Spurs cannot offer him beyond that with cap space. So are you suggesting a sign and trade to keep his bird rights? I am honestly asking as I am confused. Thank you for clarifying.

As of right now, you’re pretty close. But also, it’s early in this season. If SA ends up moving Barnes, Johnson, or Collins for an expiring, then they’ll open up a ton of space. Also, Tre Jones will be a free agent, and have a cap hold.

So cap holds are a bit of a blind spot for me. Thank you for pointing that out .

Tre has a 17 million and change and CP3 has a 12 million and change cap hold according to Spotrac. Assuming they waive all of those, then you are suggesting they add another 19 million (give or take 2,) and sign Randle to a 45 million dollar deal. That is interesting for both sides. Randle would want to keep the money short term so that can get a bigger boost from the tv money as it trickles in. The Spurs would use up all the cap space, but would still be under the apron and have their full MLE. One question, at what point does the first round draft pick money start to count against the cap? Usually players are signed by summer league, but I don’t know if there is a timetable for that process.

I’m not suggesting anything about Randle. But doubt that Randle gets $45m. I think he maxes out this next contract in the $30-35m per range. But I also didn’t suggest Randle to SA. I was just pointing out that team cap figures for 2025 are still VERY fluid and can change drastically , and quickly.

1st round pick cap holds matter starting July 1. Teams have to operate knowing that cap holds/contract will hit the books starting July 1, no matter what moves they make. But none of the 2025 draft picks will be paid any 24/25 salary, so they don’t specifically affect this years cap.

[winforlose]

As of right now, you’re pretty close. But also, it’s early in this season. If SA ends up moving Barnes, Johnson, or Collins for an expiring, then they’ll open up a ton of space. Also, Tre Jones will be a free agent, and have a cap hold.

So cap holds are a bit of a blind spot for me. Thank you for pointing that out .

Tre has a 17 million and change and CP3 has a 12 million and change cap hold according to Spotrac. Assuming they waive all of those, then you are suggesting they add another 19 million (give or take 2,) and sign Randle to a 45 million dollar deal. That is interesting for both sides. Randle would want to keep the money short term so that can get a bigger boost from the tv money as it trickles in. The Spurs would use up all the cap space, but would still be under the apron and have their full MLE. One question, at what point does the first round draft pick money start to count against the cap? Usually players are signed by summer league, but I don’t know if there is a timetable for that process.

I’m not suggesting anything about Randle. But doubt that Randle gets $45m. I think he maxes out this next contract in the $30-35m per range. But I also didn’t suggest Randle to SA. I was just pointing out that team cap figures for 2025 are still VERY fluid and can change drastically , and quickly.

1st round pick cap holds matter starting July 1. Teams have to operate knowing that cap holds/contract will hit the books starting July 1, no matter what moves they make. But none of the 2025 draft picks will be paid any 24/25 salary, so they don’t specifically affect this years cap.

I understand, I was more curious about the 2025 picks cap hold and limits it places on signing Randle. Thank you for some good information .

I totally hear you about Randle. I should have phrased it differently. I just meant in the context of trading one of those 3 to clear space.

[MasterIchiro]

I watched the Spurs last night for the first time this season and the same question struck me.

I think first they need continuity. And I think they have a small core of keepers.

We are talking about building around an historically great player in Wemby potentially.

I think Castle-Vassell-Wemby should be untouchable and I would listen on the rest of the roster including Sochan and Keldon Johnson.

If the Spurs are going to make a down payment using draft capital and movable contracts, they should be focused on a longterm player or a player still in his prime.

I'd look to expand the core 3 with a unique talent like Lauri. I think he fits Spurs culture.

Castle
Vassell
Lauri
Wemby

[wemby]

Most of these proposals are very shortsighted. Making the Spurs better in the short term isn't particularly difficult: spend your assets getting a competent backup C that is a legitimate rim protector, get a legit starting 3 that can really shoot, get a proven win now coach that forces Wemby to play a more traditional, limited role that keeps him closer to the basket, has him shooting way less 3s and handling the ball much less, get rid of all playing time for 21 and under guys like Wesley, Branham and Cissoko, etc I think Spurs can easily be a playoff team this year if they want to, and I don't think it'd be particularly difficult.

However, Spurs' goal isn't to pad the record this season and expedite a playoffs appearance, but rather to maximize their chances of winning titles in the long term. That means you need to develop your young guys with potential, even at the expense of short term chances, which requires playing young guys through their growing pains (Castle, Sochan, even Wemby) rather than getting win now vets to play ahead of them, saving your powder for the right time rather than wasting resources in shortsighted solutions (like Randall who would be a rental or an overpay to keep, for a marginal improvement that could disrupt team chemistry), etc.

Spurs have been approaching this process very carefully, nurturing the young guys by adding very specific vets that help them while not costing resources to acquire, who will phase out as the young guys blossom. There's a very deliberate strategy, just not one most people here agree with, because they're thinking tomorrow instead of 3, 4, 5 years. I'm sure they'd consider a consolidation trade to find Wemby a Robin that can grow with him (no certainties Castle can be that long term), but that is unlikely to be your run-of-the-mill misfit whose team is aching to rid themselves of, which is what you typically find here in trade proposals. May not sound too friendly for your random trade proposal, but I don't think that's a priority for the Spurs FO.

[Kineto]

Spurs payroll is built for the 2026 free agency, or at least for the trade dead line just before, with two expiring contract in Barnes and Collins (plus KJ on a very movable contract).
Wemby first big contract will start in 2027, and Sochan will probably not get a max contract in 2026.

For me, SAS will not do big move this season and will continue to develop their young players, and just do small move to get more assets if possible.

2026 will probably be their all-in year.

[Syko_boB]

I liked the addition of CP and Barnes for them

CJ McCollum would be a similar type of acquisition

His deal also aligns with the 2026 plan as per a poster above

CJ could be a great mentor and remain a steady sharpshooter for many years as they grow into a true contender. And could be retained for much less along with Barnes and Collins when these deals are up

My offer:

Keldon Johnson & Tre Jones for CJ McCollum

Allows NOP to seek new targets for Ingram, and get's them in better position financially with KJ's deal. Also gives them a true PG they've been looking that can help push the pace

[ChettheJet]

Would the Spurs be interested in Rui Hachimura?

He's a 3/4 and quite strong, shoots 40% from 3 and is on a half-decent deal. At 26 he fits the timeline of Wemby and while he wont a be an all-star, he's likely going to be a quality rotation player going forward.

I'd like them to be interested in Rui. Then I'd like the Lakers to be interested in Nikola Vucevic.

The Lakers send Rui to the Spurs and Jaxson Hayes to the Bulls
The Spurs send the Bulls their 2025 pick back along with Keldon Johnson
The Bulls send Vucevic to the Lakers
add a few more names and numbers if need be

SAS get their fairly young 3/4
Lakers get this year plus next of a starting C to shift AD to the 4
Bulls take on the long contract of Johnson who has zero starts this year in order to get their pick back and a backup center

[Apz]

Making spurs better in the shortterm is imo a bad idea unless they can get a real gamechanger. Look at mavs with Kp, hawks with murray and so on. Better keep their options open

[wemby]

I liked the addition of CP and Barnes for them

CJ McCollum would be a similar type of acquisition

His deal also aligns with the 2026 plan as per a poster above

CJ could be a great mentor and remain a steady sharpshooter for many years as they grow into a true contender. And could be retained for much less along with Barnes and Collins when these deals are up

My offer:

Keldon Johnson & Tre Jones for CJ McCollum

Allows NOP to seek new targets for Ingram, and get's them in better position financially with KJ's deal. Also gives them a true PG they've been looking that can help push the pace

If by the trade deadline Pelicans decide there's no way to salvage the season and they want to tank, something like this could be an option. Including this year, McCollum has 2 years at 33 million per year, Tre Jones is a very competent backup PG at a 9 million expiring deal, Keldon just turned 25 and might need a fresh start elsewhere but he has 3 years at 19, 17.5, 17.5 so they might not want to take that contract if they're penny-pinching. I would instead offer Zach Collins, 2 years at 17 and 18 million. That would mean Pelicans save 7 million this year and 15 million next year. Something like that I'd do, with minor additions. But I wouldn't pay any significant draft assets or players for CJ's contract (no firsts, no young contributors, etc). Also, they could do Zach Collins for CJ McCollum in the offseason, both would be expirings only Zach Collins makes almost half as much. Not a super juicy offer, but if all Pelicans want is to shed money, it helps them get there.

[wemby]

Would the Spurs be interested in Rui Hachimura?

He's a 3/4 and quite strong, shoots 40% from 3 and is on a half-decent deal. At 26 he fits the timeline of Wemby and while he wont a be an all-star, he's likely going to be a quality rotation player going forward.

I'd like them to be interested in Rui. Then I'd like the Lakers to be interested in Nikola Vucevic.

The Lakers send Rui to the Spurs and Jaxson Hayes to the Bulls
The Spurs send the Bulls their 2025 pick back along with Keldon Johnson
The Bulls send Vucevic to the Lakers
add a few more names and numbers if need be

SAS get their fairly young 3/4
Lakers get this year plus next of a starting C to shift AD to the 4
Bulls take on the long contract of Johnson who has zero starts this year in order to get their pick back and a backup center

Spurs have Sochan and Barnes at PF, they don't need Rui and certainly aren't paying a likely lottery pick for him.

[Kineto]

I liked the addition of CP and Barnes for them

CJ McCollum would be a similar type of acquisition

His deal also aligns with the 2026 plan as per a poster above

CJ could be a great mentor and remain a steady sharpshooter for many years as they grow into a true contender. And could be retained for much less along with Barnes and Collins when these deals are up

My offer:

Keldon Johnson & Tre Jones for CJ McCollum

Allows NOP to seek new targets for Ingram, and get's them in better position financially with KJ's deal. Also gives them a true PG they've been looking that can help push the pace

If by the trade deadline Pelicans decide there's no way to salvage the season and they want to tank, something like this could be an option. Including this year, McCollum has 2 years at 33 million per year, Tre Jones is a very competent backup PG at a 9 million expiring deal, Keldon just turned 25 and might need a fresh start elsewhere but he has 3 years at 19, 17.5, 17.5 so they might not want to take that contract if they're penny-pinching. I would instead offer Zach Collins, 2 years at 17 and 18 million. That would mean Pelicans save 7 million this year and 15 million next year. Something like that I'd do, with minor additions. But I wouldn't pay any significant draft assets or players for CJ's contract (no firsts, no young contributors, etc). Also, they could do Zach Collins for CJ McCollum in the offseason, both would be expirings only Zach Collins makes almost half as much. Not a super juicy offer, but if all Pelicans want is to shed money, it helps them get there.

A 3 team deal including, let's say the piston could make more sense

SAS in : CJ Mc Collum
SAS out : Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones

NOP in : Tre Jones, Tim Hardaway Jr
NOP out : CJ Mc Collum

DET in : Keldon Jonhson
DET out : Tim Hardaway Jr

SAS get a good vet who will take KJ+Jones minutes, giving them more spacing and an a much-needed offensive boost.

NOP get rid of McCollum's salary with two expiring contracts, and could possibly extend Jones if they like him.

DET get a 15~20 ppg player at a decent salary and an age that fits their time-line.

[jbk1234]

IMO it’s Lauri for Keldon, Collins and “…” picks on draft night. Even try giving Butler a 3yr150

If they are wanting Randle, I think you can dump Collins and/or one of Barnes/Keldon pretty easy, given their asset base, at the start of free agency.

A trade does make sense if Minn isn’t wanting to pay Randle and SAS does like the fit. The team feels good enough to waste a first or two on getting the kids in the playoffs. And the matching salary feels like a decent fit

It would have to be a lot of picks as I'm not convinced that package is even nuetral value. Also, the Jazz reportedly want prospects instead of picks for the guys they're willing to trade now.