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However, it comes down to the fact that the Magic would have to break that team up as early as next year. I don't agree with how Minnesota cut costs, but their moves this offseason is a great example of how important it is for teams to stay below the second tax apron.

With a potential Lavine trade, the Magic's payroll next year would be:


Lavine: 46mm
F.Wagner: 38.6m
Suggs: 35m
KCP: 21.6m
Banchero: 15.3m
Carter: 10.85m
Bitadze: 8.3m
Black: 8m

Thats over 183m for 8 players.

That makes it virtually impossible to avoid the second apron.

That's assuming you don't pick up any of your other team options, including that of Mo Wagner's.

That means you basically only have vet minimums to fill out the rest of your roster unless you manage to dump some salary, not to mention the other restrictions that come with being over the second apron....and that's excluding the Extension you have to give to Banchero which will kick in for 26-27.

Basically, a Lavine trade would only make sense if it makes the Magic a legitimate contender, as early as this year or next. Even if ends up being a great fit basketball wise, it's a terrible fit financial wise and timeline wise.

Before the new CBA, sure, I would tell the Magic to go for it, assuming the ownership was willing to spend more on the luxury tax. But in the current CBA, it's not just about how much the ownership spends....it's a whole other level of restrictions that makes this incredibly unlikely from the Orlando side.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:This pretty sums up Lavine to Orlando

However, it comes down to the fact that the Magic would have to break that team up as early as next year. I don't agree with how Minnesota cut costs, but their moves this offseason is a great example of how important it is for teams to stay below the second tax apron.

With a potential Lavine trade, the Magic's payroll next year would be:


Lavine: 46mm
F.Wagner: 38.6m
Suggs: 35m
KCP: 21.6m
Banchero: 15.3m
Carter: 10.85m
Bitadze: 8.3m
Black: 8m

Thats over 183m for 8 players.

That makes it virtually impossible to avoid the second apron.

That's assuming you don't pick up any of your other team options, including that of Mo Wagner's.

That means you basically only have vet minimums to fill out the rest of your roster unless you manage to dump some salary, not to mention the other restrictions that come with being over the second apron....and that's excluding the Extension you have to give to Banchero which will kick in for 26-27.

Basically, a Lavine trade would only make sense if it makes the Magic a legitimate contender, as early as this year or next. Even if ends up being a great fit basketball wise, it's a terrible fit financial wise and timeline wise.

Before the new CBA, sure, I would tell the Magic to go for it, assuming the ownership was willing to spend more on the luxury tax. But in the current CBA, it's not just about how much the ownership spends....it's a whole other level of restrictions that makes this incredibly unlikely from the Orlando side.

Also, moving KCP only a half a season in whiling having their two best players out is nonsensical and will never happen.

I’m a Lavine fan too and would welcome him in Orlando with open arms, however wish he didn’t make as much as he does.

Skybox wrote:Intriguing but Lavine's deal is just too much, considering his track record, imo.

I'd much rather have Sexton at around $20m, as ORL really only offers a more limited role for a backcourt scorer (as much as they lack that). Paolo & Franz will always eat first.

I had some similar thoughts about sending KCP to a Western contender (like LAL or DEN) in a 3-way, where the recipient basically pays the draft equity needed to get a better fitting younger playmaker...but I'm struggling to put one together that I like. I'm certainly not in any hurry to unload KCP but, imo, he'd be very appealing to a contender and probably more valuable to them than to ORL, who has Suggs and Black, who do the same and maybe more with a lot less mileage on the tires.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Skybox wrote:Intriguing but Lavine's deal is just too much, considering his track record, imo.

I'd much rather have Sexton at around $20m, as ORL really only offers a more limited role for a backcourt scorer (as much as they lack that). Paolo & Franz will always eat first.

I had some similar thoughts about sending KCP to a Western contender (like LAL or DEN) in a 3-way, where the recipient basically pays the draft equity needed to get a better fitting younger playmaker...but I'm struggling to put one together that I like. I'm certainly not in any hurry to unload KCP but, imo, he'd be very appealing to a contender and probably more valuable to them than to ORL, who has Suggs and Black, who do the same and maybe more with a lot less mileage on the tires.

KCP wont fetch you much draft equity with the way he's shooting this year

Ducklett wrote:Paolo is still out, Franz is out until next year. Magic will wait to see more than 5 games with this roster before doing anything, let alone destroying any ability to do anything else ever with Lavine and his league worst contract.

Chi town wrote:I think Coby White is a much better fit for ORL with age and price. He’s a Hugh volume 3pt shooter that can create his own shot too. 15M for two more seasons is great value.

I’d want a 1st and a prospect. Goga or TDS. Prob Cole coming back.

Residual-Heat wrote:

Chi town wrote:I think Coby White is a much better fit for ORL with age and price. He’s a Hugh volume 3pt shooter that can create his own shot too. 15M for two more seasons is great value.

I’d want a 1st and a prospect. Goga or TDS. Prob Cole coming back.

Not Goga but Id do TDS/Jett + Magic/denver 1st whichever is higher, but lottery protected. Add a couple of 2nds.

Chi town wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:

Chi town wrote:I think Coby White is a much better fit for ORL with age and price. He’s a Hugh volume 3pt shooter that can create his own shot too. 15M for two more seasons is great value.

I’d want a 1st and a prospect. Goga or TDS. Prob Cole coming back.

Not Goga but Id do TDS/Jett + Magic/denver 1st whichever is higher, but lottery protected. Add a couple of 2nds.

Don’t want 2nds. If we are taking on Cole’s bad contract we’d want Goga. Probably TDS over Jett. Want best of ORL/DEN pick. Top 10 protected this year. Top 8 protected next.

Residual-Heat wrote:

Chi town wrote:

Residual-Heat wrote:Not Goga but Id do TDS/Jett + Magic/denver 1st whichever is higher, but lottery protected. Add a couple of 2nds.

Don’t want 2nds. If we are taking on Cole’s bad contract we’d want Goga. Probably TDS over Jett. Want best of ORL/DEN pick. Top 10 protected this year. Top 8 protected next.

id pass on that. Not trading Goga, he's a starting level player paid like a 3rd string player. I wouldnt trade Goga alone for White TBH, the Magic need him.

pipfan wrote:If Orl wants CWhite, how about Howard, Harris and the Den pick?

Skybox wrote:

pipfan wrote:If Orl wants CWhite, how about Howard, Harris and the Den pick?

That seems light…why would CHI jettison CWhite anyway? I understand a rebuild starting with older guys, but couldn’t White be a keeper (or ask for more)? Orlando would love him.

Isn’t there some difficulty on re-signing him? Like a cap based on previous modest deal- like Monk situation?