OKC/SAS

[MoneyTalks41890]

It’s the new Lamb, PJ3, and a pick. But the wares have gotten a little better with time.

This one is tricky because these teams are likely to be rivals for a long time. But perhaps mutually beneficial enough for now. Though I could see OKC regretting giving one of the best development groups in the league these raw talents.


OKC out: Nikola Topic, Ousmane Dieng, Dillon Jones
OKC in: Harrison Barnes, Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham

Thunder take the latter two into the room exception. Thunder inject a little offense at the expense of prospects. Not clear how much Harrison can really provide that offense anymore; but better than some other options.

SAS out: Harrison Barnes, Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham
SAS in: Nikola Topic, Ousmane Dieng, Dillon Jones

Spurs get three very Spurs-like prospects who are good long term fits with Wemby if they pan out.

[Devilanche]

I’m throwing in a first from OKC end and I still think spurs decline.

[daoneandonly]

Interesting, I feel like this is an overpay by OKC?

I'm a big fan of Harrison from his Mavs days, and Champagnie has shown he has utility, the OKC guys just seem like the upside could net more.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Branham can definitely get dropped. I have him evening out some of the value but if I’m off there he can go in favor of some seconds or something?

[Kineto]

I don't understand why the Thunder would want to waste a part of their room exception on Branham, who can't even play for the Spurs at the moment, and hasn't shown any real signs of improvement since being drafted.

As a Spurs fan, I'm okay with this trade, but I doubt that either SAS or OKC front office would do it.

[wemby]

For the Spurs players, Champagnie has solidified himself as a good 2 way wing who can space the floor and is on a bargain salary (3 years left including this one, at 3 million per year with 3rd being team option), he's a role player but exactly the kind Spurs are lacking. Barnes was acquired to help the young core develop on and off the court but he's been really solid and contributing more than expected. Branham is for all accounts a high character kid and only 21, he has the potential to be a good scorer off the bench but is not well rounded (really bad defense and not a good playmaker at this point).

As for the Thunder players, I regard Dieng as in the same category as Branham and Wesley, prospects from the 22 class who have yet to prove they belong. Topic is someone the Spurs could have easily drafted with the #8 pick but passed, he's bad on defense (not their type) and a bad shooter (they take these but the quota is already filled) but after taking Castle and signing CP3 it's tough to find a place for him on a team that is trying to move to the next phase in their development (trying to win). Dillon Jones... meh. I'm not sure they'd rather take him as a developmental project than what they already have.

All in all, I think the one player in this trade that really makes sense for the other team is Champagnie who really looks like an OKC type role player (can do a bit of everything, cheap, young), but the rest I don't see them being more valued elsewhere than in their own team. Since I was never high on Topic or Dieng, I'd rather keep Champagnie and Barnes unless it's a move that really makes sense (like there's a trade proposal for a star and the other team demands they be included among the assets sent).

PS: in case someone confuses the players, the Champagnie on the Spurs is JULIAN, not Justin who is his twin brother playing for the Wizards.

[Godaddycurse]

if spurs are serious about play in/off pursuit this year they shouldnt do this

[MoneyTalks41890]

PS: in case someone confuses the players, the Champagnie on the Spurs is JULIAN, not Justin who is his twin brother playing for the Wizards.

Thanks, that’s what I get for trying to do the spelling from memory. I get the name wrong.

[ConSarnit]

It’s the new Lamb, PJ3, and a pick. But the wares have gotten a little better with time.

This one is tricky because these teams are likely to be rivals for a long time. But perhaps mutually beneficial enough for now. Though I could see OKC regretting giving one of the best development groups in the league these raw talents.


OKC out: Nikola Topic, Ousmane Dieng, Dillon Jones
OKC in: Harrison Barnes, Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham

Thunder take the latter two into the room exception. Thunder inject a little offense at the expense of prospects. Not clear how much Harrison can really provide that offense anymore; but better than some other options.

SAS out: Harrison Barnes, Julian Champagnie, Malaki Branham
SAS in: Nikola Topic, Ousmane Dieng, Dillon Jones

Spurs get three very Spurs-like prospects who are good long term fits with Wemby if they pan out.

What about replacing Champagnie and Branham with CP3? If OKC is trading Barnes they are probably somewhat packing it in this year. Barnes give OKC some more shooting. CP3 solves OKC's issue of not having enough ball-handlers. OKC can throw a couple of assets at SAS. Deal has to be done after Jan 15 but maybes it's something like Wiggins/Williams/Dieng + 1st + 2nd?

[wemby]

What about replacing Champagnie and Branham with CP3? If OKC is trading Barnes they are probably somewhat packing it in this year. Barnes give OKC some more shooting. CP3 solves OKC's issue of not having enough ball-handlers. OKC can throw a couple of assets at SAS. Deal has to be done after Jan 15 but maybes it's something like Wiggins/Williams/Dieng + 1st + 2nd?

Yeah, and have your team run by 2 rookie PGs neither of whom can shoot? Are you trying to get Wemby to demand a trade?
It seems most misjudge the state of the Spurs:
1) They are no longer a tanking team, so you can't expect them to sell every contributing vet for a bunch of mystery boxes that they have no time to develop
2) They are not a contender, so you can't expect them to sell the farm for the next disgruntled win now star (like in the Fox proposals)
Spurs should probably follow in the Thunder and Rockets footsteps, only 2 and 1 year behind respectively. Just let them develop organically and keep it as is unless there's a trade demand (say, CP3) or an offer you can't refuse (like getting Fox without selling the farm).
There's a reason OKC is just now becoming more active in the trade market: they know who they are and where their strengths and weaknesses lie, and they're ready to contend so it's worth the investment. Rockets will probably make big moves starting this offseason, and Spurs should follow later. I get that everybody wants Wemby to contend right now, but it'll be soon enough and Spurs should avoid shooting themselves in the foot because of a foreign sense of urgency.

[ConSarnit]

What about replacing Champagnie and Branham with CP3? If OKC is trading Barnes they are probably somewhat packing it in this year. Barnes give OKC some more shooting. CP3 solves OKC's issue of not having enough ball-handlers. OKC can throw a couple of assets at SAS. Deal has to be done after Jan 15 but maybes it's something like Wiggins/Williams/Dieng + 1st + 2nd?

Yeah, and have your team run by 2 rookie PGs neither of whom can shoot? Are you trying to get Wemby to demand a trade?
It seems most misjudge the state of the Spurs:
1) They are no longer a tanking team, so you can't expect them to sell every contributing vet for a bunch of mystery boxes that they have no time to develop
2) They are not a contender, so you can't expect them to sell the farm for the next disgruntled win now star (like in the Fox proposals)
Spurs should probably follow in the Thunder and Rockets footsteps, only 2 and 1 year behind respectively. Just let them develop organically and keep it as is unless there's a trade demand (say, CP3) or an offer you can't refuse (like getting Fox without selling the farm).
There's a reason OKC is just now becoming more active in the trade market: they know who they are and where their strengths and weaknesses lie, and they're ready to contend so it's worth the investment. Rockets will probably make big moves starting this offseason, and Spurs should follow later. I get that everybody wants Wemby to contend right now, but it'll be soon enough and Spurs should avoid shooting themselves in the foot because of a foreign sense of urgency.

I don’t misunderstand the Spurs. A trade like this would only happen if the Spurs are clearly out of the play-in race near the deadline. CP3 is on an expiring deal and was probably signed (partly) as a trade chip if the Spurs season went awry.

I also have no idea what point 2 has to do with anything. You’re sort of all over the place. The Spurs aren’t contenders but they also don’t have time to develop players? How does that make sense? No one in this thread has them making win now move for a star. Trading Barnes and CP3 makes some sense considering both are on short term deals and older players.

The Spurs should not be rejecting offers for CP3 or Barnes if someone is willing to pay a good price. Neither are part of the future.

[One_and_Done]

So the Spurs trade 3 things they want, for 3 things they don't want? Terrible.

[Chinook]

What about replacing Champagnie and Branham with CP3? If OKC is trading Barnes they are probably somewhat packing it in this year. Barnes give OKC some more shooting. CP3 solves OKC's issue of not having enough ball-handlers. OKC can throw a couple of assets at SAS. Deal has to be done after Jan 15 but maybes it's something like Wiggins/Williams/Dieng + 1st + 2nd?

Yeah, and have your team run by 2 rookie PGs neither of whom can shoot? Are you trying to get Wemby to demand a trade?
It seems most misjudge the state of the Spurs:
1) They are no longer a tanking team, so you can't expect them to sell every contributing vet for a bunch of mystery boxes that they have no time to develop
2) They are not a contender, so you can't expect them to sell the farm for the next disgruntled win now star (like in the Fox proposals)
Spurs should probably follow in the Thunder and Rockets footsteps, only 2 and 1 year behind respectively. Just let them develop organically and keep it as is unless there's a trade demand (say, CP3) or an offer you can't refuse (like getting Fox without selling the farm).
There's a reason OKC is just now becoming more active in the trade market: they know who they are and where their strengths and weaknesses lie, and they're ready to contend so it's worth the investment. Rockets will probably make big moves starting this offseason, and Spurs should follow later. I get that everybody wants Wemby to contend right now, but it'll be soon enough and Spurs should avoid shooting themselves in the foot because of a foreign sense of urgency.

I don’t misunderstand the Spurs. A trade like this would only happen if the Spurs are clearly out of the play-in race near the deadline. CP3 is on an expiring deal and was probably signed (partly) as a trade chip if the Spurs season went awry.

I also have no idea what point 2 has to do with anything. You’re sort of all over the place. The Spurs aren’t contenders but they also don’t have time to develop players? How does that make sense? No one in this thread has them making win now move for a star. Trading Barnes and CP3 makes some sense considering both are on short term deals and older players.

The Spurs should not be rejecting offers for CP3 or Barnes if someone is willing to pay a good price. Neither are part of the future.

This response falls into the "contend or tank" mentality that fans think sounds good but doesn't lead to success. The Spurs have a young team they're trying to develop. They don't need to get worse and lose their vet mentors for prospects they've already passed on in the draft. Where the Spurs are is where they want to be right now. They don't need to "get value", as they have that out the wazoo already.

Does that mean they wouldn't do a trade? Not at all. But they don't have the incentive to change this year's performance one way or the other beyond where their talent is taking them, and that motivates trades like this or like the proposed Fox trades. For them, hanging around the play-in in year two of Wemby is just fine.

[Devilanche]

All in all, I think the one player in this trade that really makes sense for the other team is Champagnie who really looks like an OKC type role player (can do a bit of everything, cheap, young), but the rest I don't see them being more valued elsewhere than in their own team. Since I was never high on Topic or Dieng, I'd rather keep Champagnie and Barnes unless it's a move that really makes sense (like there's a trade proposal for a star and the other team demands they be included among the assets sent).

PS: in case someone confuses the players, the Champagnie on the Spurs is JULIAN, not Justin who is his twin brother playing for the Wizards.

Yeap this is the guy I’m ponying up that first for. Barnes is potentially good backup minutes or another big on the bench. Topic might amount to something. But champagnie give me some size on the wings.