Butler to Houston

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:47 am

Butler, Burks

for

VanVleet, JEFF Green, better of HOU/PHO 2025 FRP

Gives Houston a go-to Batman. Miami gets complete financial flexibility and what should be a decent pick in a strong draft.

MessiahUjiri · Post #2 » by **MessiahUjiri** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:54 am

No, you don’t need Green in here. That’s a massive overpay.

FVV + 2 1sts + Cam Whitmore

Xman · Post #3 » by **Xman** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:57 am

Clarify JeffGreen. Jalen has poison pill so hard to deal.

Xman · Post #4 » by **Xman** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:58 am

[quote="MessiahUjiri"]No, you don’t need Green in here. That’s a massive overpay.

FVV + 2 1sts + Cam Whitmore[/quote]

Ok with firsts. Cam is worth two by himself so not him.

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:17 am

Cam Whitmore continues to not be worth 2 firsts.

Xman · Post #6 » by **Xman** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:25 am

[quote="Texas Chuck"]Cam Whitmore continues to not be worth 2 firsts.[/quote]
He is. Maybe not top ten firsts but more than two lottery protected firsts.
Guy can score.

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:31 am

I mean if he's worth 2 firsts and Houston doesn't really have a rotation spot for him because they have better players, they should definitely Presti the asset forward into the future.

The problem is you can't give me a single team that would give even two lottery protected 1sts for him much less more as you are stating. But I'm curious where this market lies. Maybe the fans of those teams will come in here and tell me I'm wrong and we are thrilled to pay this much for Cam.

Godaddycurse · Post #8 » by **Godaddycurse** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:33 am

Xman wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Cam Whitmore continues to not be worth 2 firsts.

He is. Maybe not top ten firsts but more than two lottery protected firsts.
Guy can score.

Guys who can score at 47% TS dont fetch you 2 1sts

Xman · Post #9 » by **Xman** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:39 am

I compare cam to Randle and Carmelo. A little better defense and no passing skill. Belongs on a team with defenders. He is a guy that can score no matter the defense. Doesn’t need a pg

Post #10 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:41 am

Laimbeer wrote:Butler, Burks

for

VanVleet, JEFF Green, better of HOU/PHO 2025 FRP

Gives Houston a go-to Batman. Miami gets complete financial flexibility and what should be a decent pick in a strong draft.

I would be completely happy with this return.

Xman · Post #11 » by **Xman** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:41 am

[quote="Xman"]I compare cam to Randle and Carmelo. A little better defense and no passing skill. Belongs on a team with defenders. He is a guy that can score no matter the defense. Doesn’t need a pg[/quote]

Of course, I am watching him now and just saying wow. But, it is NO on defense.

LarsV8 · Post #12 » by **LarsV8** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:51 am

FVV is the leader of the team, coaches love him.

Butler is fine and all, but is a only a short term boost, which we don't really need all that much. He isn't the difference between a championship or not.

Best I would offer would be Adams, Holiday, Tate, Green, Landale, and a top 8 protected 2025 first.

Post #13 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:57 am

LarsV8 wrote:FVV is the leader of the team, coaches love him.

Butler is fine and all, but is a only a short term boost, which we don't really need all that much. He isn't the difference between a championship or not.

Best I would offer would be Adams, Holiday, Tate, Green, Landale, and a top 8 protected 2025 first.

That wouldn't get you Duncan Robinson, much less Jimmy.

LarsV8 · Post #14 » by **LarsV8** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:02 am

BBallFreak wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:FVV is the leader of the team, coaches love him.

Butler is fine and all, but is a only a short term boost, which we don't really need all that much. He isn't the difference between a championship or not.

Best I would offer would be Adams, Holiday, Tate, Green, Landale, and a top 8 protected 2025 first.

That wouldn't get you Duncan Robinson, much less Jimmy.

All good.

Xman · Post #15 » by **Xman** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:06 am

Cam has 26 in 24 minutes so far. Not a cheap piece.

Godaddycurse · Post #16 » by **Godaddycurse** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:11 am

BBallFreak wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:FVV is the leader of the team, coaches love him.

Butler is fine and all, but is a only a short term boost, which we don't really need all that much. He isn't the difference between a championship or not.

Best I would offer would be Adams, Holiday, Tate, Green, Landale, and a top 8 protected 2025 first.

That wouldn't get you Duncan Robinson, much less Jimmy.

Robinson wouldnt fetch expiring and a 1st

K_chile22 · Post #17 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:20 am

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if he's worth 2 firsts and Houston doesn't really have a rotation spot for him because they have better players, they should definitely Presti the asset forward into the future.

The problem is you can't give me a single team that would give even two lottery protected 1sts for him much less more as you are stating. But I'm curious where this market lies. Maybe the fans of those teams will come in here and tell me I'm wrong and we are thrilled to pay this much for Cam.

He's back in the rotation and had 27 tonight (against the pelicans but ignore that part)
For sure not saying he's worth two firsts to another team, but Houston wouldn't treat him as a throw in front their pov

Post #18 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:23 am

K_chile22 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if he's worth 2 firsts and Houston doesn't really have a rotation spot for him because they have better players, they should definitely Presti the asset forward into the future.

The problem is you can't give me a single team that would give even two lottery protected 1sts for him much less more as you are stating. But I'm curious where this market lies. Maybe the fans of those teams will come in here and tell me I'm wrong and we are thrilled to pay this much for Cam.
He's back in the rotation and had 27 tonight (against the pelicans but ignore that part)

Okay cool. Do you believe he's worth 2 legit first rounders(Xman stated better picks than lottery protected)?

Sorry saw your edit after I posted this. I think there is a meaningful gap between he has value to us and we aren't giving him away and the valuation I responded to. I wasn't remotely suggest Houston gift him to someone.

Post #19 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:24 am

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean if he's worth 2 firsts and Houston doesn't really have a rotation spot for him because they have better players, they should definitely Presti the asset forward into the future.

The problem is you can't give me a single team that would give even two lottery protected 1sts for him much less more as you are stating. But I'm curious where this market lies. Maybe the fans of those teams will come in here and tell me I'm wrong and we are thrilled to pay this much for Cam.

Lakers offer JHS and a couple SRPs for Whitmore

Post #20 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:28 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:FVV is the leader of the team, coaches love him.

Butler is fine and all, but is a only a short term boost, which we don't really need all that much. He isn't the difference between a championship or not.

Best I would offer would be Adams, Holiday, Tate, Green, Landale, and a top 8 protected 2025 first.

That wouldn't get you Duncan Robinson, much less Jimmy.

Robinson wouldnt fetch expiring and a 1st

It was hyperbole.

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