Chicago & Denver: It's MPJ, but it's not LaVine

[drosestruts]

Chicago in: Michael Porter Jr, DaRon Holmes, Vlatko Cancar, and Hunter Tyson

Denver in: Patrick Williams, Coby White, Jevon Carter, and Torrey Craig


Bulls:

Giddey/Ball
LaVine/Ayo/THT
MPJ/Terry/Duarte
Buzelis/Phillips/Tyson/Cancar/
Vucevic/Smith/Holmes

Bulls do some consolidation to get a player in MPJ they were heavily rumored to like at the time of his draft. His size and shooting fits great in their lineup and here he's not replacing LaVine, but being adding as a scoring threat alongside him. Giddey is set up with two of the best catch and shoot players in the league in LaVine and MPJ. I also like that the deal provides a clearer path to minutes for Buzelis. It feels right for the Bulls.


Nuggets:

Murray/Westbrook/Carter
White/Braun/Pickett
Williams/Watson/Strawther
Gordon/Craig/Nnaji
Jokic/Jordan/SAric

For the Nuggets it's the opposite of a consolidation - they turn 1 rotation players into 3 (maybe 4 - last night shows Carter can still get hot from 3). Depth is the biggest need in Denver and here they flip MPJ and players who don't see the floor for guys that can contribute this season - and in the case of Williams and White - contribute for seasons to come. Williams is locked in long-term, White still has one more year at a very team friendly amount.


Denver and Chicago have been mentioned so much together in regards to a LaVine for MPJ swap - I'm not that high on that deal, but the teams do seem to be good trade partners if they'd expand their horizons.

[jayjaysee]

I really like the pieces here for both teams. Higher on Patrick and Coby than most, so feel like Chicago is owed more.

But some really liked Holmes at the draft, so maybe that swings it for others.

[BelgradeNugget]

No. Not one player in this trade makes sense for Denver. Who replaces MPJ as starting SF, 3rd scorring option? Why would Denver trade 1st round pick from this draft + MPJ for a bunch of players even Chicago don't need?

[jayjaysee]

Who replaces MPJ as starting SF??

Patrick Williams

3rd scorring option??

Coby White

[dcstanley]

I like the deal. White is currently having a better season than Murray.

[zimpy27]

Denver should jump all over this.

Holmes/Smith would be Bulls backup 4/5

[BelgradeNugget]

Who replaces MPJ as starting SF??

Patrick Williams

3rd scorring option??

Coby White

Patrick Williams as SF for championship winning team?
What is the difference between Coby White and Julian strawther? Minutes.
But let's be real. Denver won championship with this core 2 years ago. Chicago tried to make play-inn with these players for years. So let's pretend Chicago's players have some bigger value than Nuggets ones.

[BelgradeNugget]

I like the deal. White is currently having a better season than Murray.

Denver should jump all over this.

Holmes/Smith would be Bulls backup 4/5

Why not try something with these players and Lakers tredable assets. Build championship contender in LA

[Texas Chuck]

What is the difference between Coby White and Julian strawther? Minutes.
But let's be real.

These two sentences back to back just is amazing.



Can Patrick Williams be the 5th starter on a team led by the best player in the world? Obviously yes. Can Coby White be a 3rd scoring option? Of course he can. And one far less dependent on Joker than Porter Jr.

But its cooler to post a bunch of emogees and claim our guy is just as good only lacking minutes while telling other posters to get real. Get real indeed.

[BelgradeNugget]

Something like
LA in: Patrick Williams, Coby White and Torrey Craig
Chicago in: Austin Reaves, DLo, Dalton Knecht

[jayjaysee]

Who replaces MPJ as starting SF??

Patrick Williams

3rd scorring option??

Coby White

Patrick Williams as SF for championship winning team?
What is the difference between Coby White and Julian strawther? Minutes.
But let's be real. Denver won championship with this core 2 years ago. Chicago tried to make play-inn with these players for years. So let's pretend Chicago's players have some bigger value than Nuggets ones.

Now you’re comparing Vucevic to Joker. Or LaVine to playoff Murray.

Why do that? What does it do?

[BelgradeNugget]

What is the difference between Coby White and Julian strawther? Minutes.
But let's be real.

These two sentences back to back just is amazing.



Can Patrick Williams be the 5th starter on a team led by the best player in the world? Obviously yes. Can Coby White be a 3rd scoring option? Of course he can. And one far less dependent on Joker than Porter Jr.

But its cooler to post a bunch of emogees and claim our guy is just as good only lacking minutes while telling other posters to get real. Get real indeed.

So what is getting real. We replace Nuggets players from championship winning team for players that couldn't even help their team make playoffs and it is OK. Can Patrick Williams be the 5th starter on a team making playoffs. No. But he be the 5th starter for championship winning team? I see you think so. Explain to me please I don't get it.

Can Coby White be a 3rd scoring option? Of course he can. - On a championship winning team? Hell no.
What is this? Denver won championship with bunch of nobodys so lets trade them for the same value.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah if you are the 5th starter on a team whose 1st starter is Zach Lavine, you might not win as much as when the 5th starter on a team whose 1st starter in the best player in the world. If you can't understand that most basic of concepts you could only have Denver make trades with teams with better records. Alas by your logic, those teams could not trade for your players because well they must not be as good of individual players because the team record is not as good.......

But hey if Strawther just needs minutes, give him a bunch of minutes.

[Texas Chuck]

Something like
LA in: Patrick Williams, Coby White and Torrey Craig
Chicago in: Austin Reaves, DLo, Dalton Knecht

Now you are violating board policy. If you lack this much maturity on Nuggets topics you need to avoid them in the future. But this? No, don't do this.

[BelgradeNugget]

Patrick Williams



Coby White

Patrick Williams as SF for championship winning team?
What is the difference between Coby White and Julian strawther? Minutes.
But let's be real. Denver won championship with this core 2 years ago. Chicago tried to make play-inn with these players for years. So let's pretend Chicago's players have some bigger value than Nuggets ones.

Now you’re comparing Vucevic to Joker. Or LaVine to playoff Murray.

Why do that? What does it do?

Some people here think this

I like the deal. White is currently having a better season than Murray.

Again Denver won championship. I'm not comparing Vucevic to Joker. I'm only asking how it is posible they were not able to even make playoffs in weak east but somehow they will turn into peces for championship winning team? MPJ was our 3rd option 4th best player on championship winning team. The same team that beat Lakers in 13 of 14 games. Swept them in WCF. Were Lakers bad team? No. So if you replace MPJ with 4th/5th player on team not good enough to make playoffs will Denver be able to beat lakers 13 times in a row again? No. Than, it is not worth it.

[BelgradeNugget]

Something like
LA in: Patrick Williams, Coby White and Torrey Craig
Chicago in: Austin Reaves, DLo, Dalton Knecht

Now you are violating board policy. If you lack this much maturity on Nuggets topics you need to avoid them in the future. But this? No, don't do this.

What is wrong with this.

MPJ>>>>>Austin Reaves
Dalton Knecht>>>>>Hunter Tyson
DLo is bad can't win with him.
DaRon Holmes was 22 pick in this draft. First round pick. And Lakers value is greater than Nuggets in a sense that one trade is OK and the other is for warning?

This is the second time today you are you warning Nuggets fan for expressing opionon on proposed trade. Have you ever tough you are wrong on value of Nuggets players?

[Texas Chuck]

Something like
LA in: Patrick Williams, Coby White and Torrey Craig
Chicago in: Austin Reaves, DLo, Dalton Knecht

Now you are violating board policy. If you lack this much maturity on Nuggets topics you need to avoid them in the future. But this? No, don't do this.

What is wrong with this.

MPJ>>>>>Austin Reaves
Dalton Knecht>>>>>Hunter Tyson
DLo is bad can't win with him.
DaRon Holmes was 22 pick in this draft. First round pick. And Lakers value is greater than Nuggets in a sense that one trade is OK and the other is for warning?

This is the second time today you are you warning Nuggets fan for expressing opionon on proposed trade. Have you ever tough you are wrong on value of Nuggets players?

I have warned zero Nuggets posters today so that's a weird accusation. But we both know you picked a bad Lakers trade to post because you were upset with Zimpy, a Lakers fan for having a different opinion than you. This is a silly counter and a derail that has nothing to do with the topic.

I'm simply asking you not to derail like this. Not warn you. No idea what other poster you are referenced but I haven't warned any posters in ages. Just trying to keep discussion on track.

Note when you and I had a disagreement on value of Nuggets players I responded purely as a poster not a mod. You are allowed to value Nuggets players as highly as you want. You won't get mod attention for that alone. You got me acting as a Mod when you intentionally derailed the thread.

Now kindly back to the topic at hand if you have anything pertinent to say.

[Godaddycurse]

I think nuggets would benefit from having jalen smith instead of p williams. They need a better backup 4/5 in the worst way. Braun can play SF

[BelgradeNugget]

yeah if you are the 5th starter on a team whose 1st starter is Zach Lavine, you might not win as much as when the 5th starter on a team whose 1st starter in the best player in the world. If you can't understand that most basic of concepts you could only have Denver make trades with teams with better records. Alas by your logic, those teams could not trade for your players because well they must not be as good of individual players because the team record is not as good.......

But hey if Strawther just needs minutes, give him a bunch of minutes.

Have you ever tough that you can't win championship with just one player. MPJ is one of the best and most consistent catch and shoot players in a league for quite some time. And don't trust me. Here is analysys of some guy who knows something about the league. maybe you'll learn something. His tought of MPJ's trade for Bulls best player

Watch on YouTube

[Godaddycurse]

yeah if you are the 5th starter on a team whose 1st starter is Zach Lavine, you might not win as much as when the 5th starter on a team whose 1st starter in the best player in the world. If you can't understand that most basic of concepts you could only have Denver make trades with teams with better records. Alas by your logic, those teams could not trade for your players because well they must not be as good of individual players because the team record is not as good.......

But hey if Strawther just needs minutes, give him a bunch of minutes.

Have you ever tough that you can't win championship with just one player. MPJ is one of the best and most consistent catch and shoot players in a league for quite some time. And don't trust me. Here is analysys of some guy who knows something about the league. maybe you'll learn something. His tought of MPJ's trade for Bulls best player

Watch on YouTube

Funny enough he shot 33/14/75 in that series vs Miami

Overall playoff stats is okay, but not exactly worldbeating