Jimmy to Milwaukee with NOP and LAL (no Midds)

[slos]

Just trying to figure a way for Butler to Milwaukee without moving Middleton..

Bucks in Butler
Bucks out Lopez, Portis, Connaughton, Johnson, Beauchamp, Wright, Prince

Miami in Ingram, Portis, Beauchamp
Miami out Butler

Lakers in Lopez, Wright
Lakers out Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2028 FRP (Top 4 protected)

Pelicans in Johnson, Vincent, Connaughton, Vanderbilt, Prince, LAL 2028 FRP (Top 4 protected)
Pelicans out Ingram

Why Bucks? They go all in replacing Brook with Jimmy in their starting lineup (which immediately makes them more athletic with Giannis becoming a C) at the cost of most of their depth to make it financially work.

Lillard/Rollins
Jackson/Green
Butler/Trent
Middleton/Livingston
Giannis/Smith

Why Miami? They split Butler into Ingram and Portis who fit Herro/Bam timeline better and round up their starting 5 with Rozier. They also take a look into a former FRP (Beauchamp).

Why Lakers? They balance their roster replacing Vanderbilt with Brook. They get out of more future money moving Vincent and replacing him with a minimum defensive minded backup PG (Wright).

Why Pelicans? They take some future money to maximise Ingram’s value in a trade. They get a future FRP and a current FRP (Johnson) while adding some depth pieces. Pels will need to cut some players.

[SkyHook]

Just trying to figure a way for Butler to Milwaukee without moving Middleton..

Bucks in Butler
Bucks out Lopez, Portis, Connaughton, Johnson, Beauchamp, Wright, Prince

Miami in Ingram, Portis, Beauchamp
Miami out Butler

Lakers in Lopez, Wright
Lakers out Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2028 FRP (Top 4 protected)

Pelicans in Johnson, Vincent, Connaughton, Vanderbilt, Prince, LAL 2028 FRP (Top 4 protected)
Pelicans out Ingram

Why Bucks? They go all in replacing Brook with Jimmy in their starting lineup (which immediately makes them more athletic with Giannis becoming a C) at the cost of most of their depth to make it financially work.

Lillard/Rollins
Jackson/Green
Butler/Trent
Middleton/Livingston
Giannis/Smith

Why Miami? They split Butler into Ingram and Portis who fit Herro/Bam timeline better and round up their starting 5 with Rozier. They also take a look into a former FRP (Beauchamp).

Why Lakers? They balance their roster replacing Vanderbilt with Brook. They get out of more future money moving Vincent and replacing him with a minimum defensive minded backup PG (Wright).

Why Pelicans? They take some future money to maximise Ingram’s value in a trade. They get a future FRP and a current FRP (Johnson) while adding some depth pieces. Pels will need to cut some players.

Setting everything else aside, a seven-for-one trade midseason is never going to happen.

[Scoot McGroot]

Just trying to figure a way for Butler to Milwaukee without moving Middleton..

Bucks in Butler
Bucks out Lopez, Portis, Connaughton, Johnson, Beauchamp, Wright, Prince

Miami in Ingram, Portis, Beauchamp
Miami out Butler

Lakers in Lopez, Wright
Lakers out Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2028 FRP (Top 4 protected)

Pelicans in Johnson, Vincent, Connaughton, Vanderbilt, Prince, LAL 2028 FRP (Top 4 protected)
Pelicans out Ingram

Why Bucks? They go all in replacing Brook with Jimmy in their starting lineup (which immediately makes them more athletic with Giannis becoming a C) at the cost of most of their depth to make it financially work.

Lillard/Rollins
Jackson/Green
Butler/Trent
Middleton/Livingston
Giannis/Smith

Why Miami? They split Butler into Ingram and Portis who fit Herro/Bam timeline better and round up their starting 5 with Rozier. They also take a look into a former FRP (Beauchamp).

Why Lakers? They balance their roster replacing Vanderbilt with Brook. They get out of more future money moving Vincent and replacing him with a minimum defensive minded backup PG (Wright).

Why Pelicans? They take some future money to maximise Ingram’s value in a trade. They get a future FRP and a current FRP (Johnson) while adding some depth pieces. Pels will need to cut some players.

I don’t think Milwaukee can backfill the 6 required roster spots to be filled for less than the $2m in space under the hard cap at the apron they’d create by aggregating salary.

Can’t imagine this could legally work and it wouldn’t get approved by the league.

[DaddyCool19]

Isn't Milwauke a 2nd apron team? I thought those teams were prohibited from combining players salaries in trades.

[brackdan70]

Isn't Milwauke a 2nd apron team? I thought those teams were prohibited from combining players salaries in trades.

Yep they would be hard capped at the second apron if they aggregate.
In this scenario they couldnt fill 6 roster spots and stay under the apron. Trade doesn’t work.

[slos]

Isn't Milwauke a 2nd apron team? I thought those teams were prohibited from combining players salaries in trades.

Yep they would be hard capped at the second apron if they aggregate.
In this scenario they couldnt fill 6 roster spots and stay under the apron. Trade doesn’t work.

I had Bucks saving 6 mil in this trade which leaves them 2 mil breathing space under the 2nd apron to convert some of their two ways (Rollins etc) into standard contracts.

But now I see that Middleton has some extra unlikely incentives. Do they also count against the cap? It’s about 2.3 mil which definitely kills this path.

[jayjaysee]

Why wouldn’t it just be Middleton based though?

Feels like a lot of extra steps. You can probably build legal trade around Lopez, Middleton, and Conn for Butler and a backup center. Leave Portis around ..

I don’t know if it’s a good idea to get older, while needing to add your last asset to do so, but it would be fun to watch for a couple years.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Bucks need to add their own draft capital. Lakers taking Ingram at that price.

[BBallFreak]

Why wouldn’t it just be Middleton based though?

Feels like a lot of extra steps. You can probably build legal trade around Lopez, Middleton, and Conn for Butler and a backup center. Leave Portis around ..

I don’t know if it’s a good idea to get older, while needing to add your last asset to do so, but it would be fun to watch for a couple years.

Why would Miami touch that? They don't have assets. Portis is, at least, good.

[jayjaysee]

Why wouldn’t it just be Middleton based though?

Feels like a lot of extra steps. You can probably build legal trade around Lopez, Middleton, and Conn for Butler and a backup center. Leave Portis around ..

I don’t know if it’s a good idea to get older, while needing to add your last asset to do so, but it would be fun to watch for a couple years.

Why would Miami touch that? They don't have assets. Portis is, at least, good.

Really depends what you build the deal up to be right?

But “2031 first and Johnson” is value. No idea if Brolo still has value or Midds is a negative or neutral etc.

But there’s a legal deal there. The OP is not a legal deal. Better to flesh out a legal deal than think about an illegal one is all..

[Laimbeer]

Bucks need to add their own draft capital. Lakers taking Ingram at that price.

Have to remember dumping Vanderbilt is going to cost.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Bucks need to add their own draft capital. Lakers taking Ingram at that price.

Have to remember dumping Vanderbilt is going to cost.

People act like he has a 20 million a year contract. He over paid by a 5 million imo.

[jbk1234]

Yeah, this is pretty bad for the Lakers and Pelicans who are providing the lion's share of the value while the Bucks walk away with Butler. Any time trades are structured that way, it means the team leaching value will end up getting cut out.

[Scoot McGroot]

Isn't Milwauke a 2nd apron team? I thought those teams were prohibited from combining players salaries in trades.

Yep they would be hard capped at the second apron if they aggregate.
In this scenario they couldnt fill 6 roster spots and stay under the apron. Trade doesn’t work.

I had Bucks saving 6 mil in this trade which leaves them 2 mil breathing space under the 2nd apron to convert some of their two ways (Rollins etc) into standard contracts.

But now I see that Middleton has some extra unlikely incentives. Do they also count against the cap? It’s about 2.3 mil which definitely kills this path.

ALL incentives count against the apron salary totals. Only like/earned incentives count against the cap/tax.

So this deal would leave about $2m under the 2nd apron for Milwaukee to fill 5 spots, I believe.

[Scoot McGroot]

Bucks need to add their own draft capital. Lakers taking Ingram at that price.

Have to remember dumping Vanderbilt is going to cost.

People act like he has a 20 million a year contract. He over paid by a 5 million imo.

Right now, it's moreso the 4 guaranteed years, especially if the knee continues to be "balky".

[SlimShady83]

Lakers say NO ...

Lakers not giving up a first for Lopez and Write...

Also once again, I don't see Lakers trading Vando or any team to take on his contract, especially since injured

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Have to remember dumping Vanderbilt is going to cost.

People act like he has a 20 million a year contract. He over paid by a 5 million imo.

Right now, it's moreso the 4 guaranteed years, especially if the knee continues to be "balky".

He not out with a knee injury this time. Recently started ramping up.

He can have injury woes for the next 4 years or reach his upside. Who knows.

[BBallFreak]

Why wouldn’t it just be Middleton based though?

Feels like a lot of extra steps. You can probably build legal trade around Lopez, Middleton, and Conn for Butler and a backup center. Leave Portis around ..

I don’t know if it’s a good idea to get older, while needing to add your last asset to do so, but it would be fun to watch for a couple years.

Why would Miami touch that? They don't have assets. Portis is, at least, good.

Really depends what you build the deal up to be right?

But “2031 first and Johnson” is value. No idea if Brolo still has value or Midds is a negative or neutral etc.

But there’s a legal deal there. The OP is not a legal deal. Better to flesh out a legal deal than think about an illegal one is all..

Where are the 2031 first and Johnson, though? Not in the original and not in your revision. I think adding details of the deal could make a difference, no?

[Scoot McGroot]

People act like he has a 20 million a year contract. He over paid by a 5 million imo.

Right now, it's moreso the 4 guaranteed years, especially if the knee continues to be "balky".

He not out with a knee injury this time. Recently started ramping up.

He can have injury woes for the next 4 years or reach his upside. Who knows.

Vanderbilt's journey back to the court has been lengthy (and filled with bad luck). Multiple foot surgeries during the summer followed his mid-foot sprain against Boston last February. Earlier this month it was released that the young forward experienced a fluid buildup in his left knee during his injury rehabilitation, delaying his return.

But yes. Either good stuff or bad stuff could happen. But teams are going to value Vanderbilt based on his current and recent play. Of which, there is none, and he's been injured.

[jayjaysee]

Why would Miami touch that? They don't have assets. Portis is, at least, good.

Really depends what you build the deal up to be right?

But “2031 first and Johnson” is value. No idea if Brolo still has value or Midds is a negative or neutral etc.

But there’s a legal deal there. The OP is not a legal deal. Better to flesh out a legal deal than think about an illegal one is all..

Where are the 2031 first and Johnson, though? Not in the original and not in your revision. I think adding details of the deal could make a difference, no?

Yeah, I wouldn’t call what I made a revision.

Just making a legal trade for Milwaukee. But wasn’t a legal trade for Miami. So definitely not fleshed out.