Jimmy Butler to HOUSTON is the most logical outcome

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Jimmy Butler to HOUSTON is the most logical outcome 

Post#1 » by MessiahUjiri » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:01 am

Simple constraint: Jimmy Butler’s $49M salary makes trades very difficult.

Houston has $43M in easy salary matching with Fred Van Vleet. They also have a young SF (Cam Whitmore) who they don’t use much, but can fetch good value.


This is just going to come down to different permutations. More complex versions would be if Miami wants to dump salary like Duncan Robinson & Terry Rozier. Houston also has other expendable salary.

For the sake of simplicity, here’s a proposal:



Fred Van Vleet, Cam Whitmore,‘25 1st, OKC ‘26 2nd
for
Jimmy Butler
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Post#2 » by BBallFreak » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:08 am

MessiahUjiri wrote:Simple constraint: Jimmy Butler’s $49M salary makes trades very difficult.

Houston has $43M in easy salary matching with Fred Van Vleet. They also have a young SF (Cam Whitmore) who they don’t use much, but can fetch good value.


This is just going to come down to different permutations. More complex versions would be if Miami wants to dump salary like Duncan Robinson & Terry Rozier. Houston also has other expendable salary.

For the sake of simplicity, here’s a proposal:



Fred Van Vleet, Cam Whitmore, HOU ‘25 1st, OKC ‘26 2nd
for
Jimmy Butler

That's the trade as far as I'm concerned. Completely good with it.
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Post#3 » by LarsV8 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:10 am

Nope, don't want 36 year olds.
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Post#4 » by jayjaysee » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:11 am

The Houston first is the Phoenix first. Need some protection.

And shouldn’t be FVV. Match some other way IMO.
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Post#5 » by winforlose » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:23 am

BBallFreak wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:Simple constraint: Jimmy Butler’s $49M salary makes trades very difficult.

Houston has $43M in easy salary matching with Fred Van Vleet. They also have a young SF (Cam Whitmore) who they don’t use much, but can fetch good value.


This is just going to come down to different permutations. More complex versions would be if Miami wants to dump salary like Duncan Robinson & Terry Rozier. Houston also has other expendable salary.

For the sake of simplicity, here’s a proposal:



Fred Van Vleet, Cam Whitmore, HOU ‘25 1st, OKC ‘26 2nd
for
Jimmy Butler

That's the trade as far as I'm concerned. Completely good with it.


Why is Miami owed picks? FVV is a good player, Cam Whitmore is 20 years old. Jimmy is expiring and a money issue. Drop both picks and I think you are close. I wonder about the fit though. How does losing FFV change the Houston rotation?
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Post#6 » by K_chile22 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:28 am

I say this in every thread including that pick and get ignored so idk why I keep trying but:

THIS IS ILLEGAL DUE TO THE STEPIAN RULE, THEY CANNOT TRADE THEIR 25 PICK
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Post#7 » by BBallFreak » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:28 am

winforlose wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:Simple constraint: Jimmy Butler’s $49M salary makes trades very difficult.

Houston has $43M in easy salary matching with Fred Van Vleet. They also have a young SF (Cam Whitmore) who they don’t use much, but can fetch good value.


This is just going to come down to different permutations. More complex versions would be if Miami wants to dump salary like Duncan Robinson & Terry Rozier. Houston also has other expendable salary.

For the sake of simplicity, here’s a proposal:



Fred Van Vleet, Cam Whitmore, HOU ‘25 1st, OKC ‘26 2nd
for
Jimmy Butler

That's the trade as far as I'm concerned. Completely good with it.


Why is Miami owed picks? FVV is a good player, Cam Whitmore is 20 years old. Jimmy is expiring and a money issue. Drop both picks and I think you are close. I wonder about the fit though. How does losing FFV change the Houston rotation?

Miami is owed picks because Jimmy is significantly better and I see Whitmore as nothing but a light sweetener. I don't care if he's in the deal or not. The picks are why I'm onboard with this trade
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Post#8 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:30 am

I don't see anyway FVV can go out here. Is Green the lead guard on a contending team? It has to be Brooks and Adams.

Maybe Green can go to the Pistons for Ivey who goes back to the Heat.
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Post#9 » by BBallFreak » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:32 am

jbk1234 wrote:I don't see anyway FVV can go out here. Is Green the lead guard on a contending team? It has to be Brooks and Adams.

Maybe Green can go to the Pistons for Ivey who goes back to the Heat.

Not commenting on Green as he complicated things significantly more, but Brooks isn't really acceptable to me given that the goal is cap space in 2026.
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Post#10 » by Bentley1225 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:36 am

Butler + Love
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Brooks + Adams + Green + 1st
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Post#11 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:46 am

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jbk1234 wrote:I don't see anyway FVV can go out here. Is Green the lead guard on a contending team? It has to be Brooks and Adams.

Maybe Green can go to the Pistons for Ivey who goes back to the Heat.

Not commenting on Green as he complicated things significantly more, but Brooks isn't really acceptable to me given that the goal is cap space in 2026.


I'm not sure what the Rockets level of interest is, but there has to be an immediate net benefit to the team acquiring Butler. If there's not, they won't trade for him.
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Post#12 » by BBallFreak » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:47 am

Bentley1225 wrote:Butler + Love
For
Brooks + Adams + Green + 1st


Green is poison pill.
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Post#13 » by SlimShady83 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:51 am

BBallFreak wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote: Fred Van Vleet, Cam Whitmore, HOU ‘25 1st, OKC ‘26 2nd
for
Jimmy Butler


That's the trade as far as I'm concerned. Completely good with it.


I don't see Houston willing to do this for a 35/6 year old Butler, they're currently 3rd In the west standings they're doing fine with out Butler/Whitmore and they have to trade FVV and 1frp, 1 srp It's why I didn't include them in my thread :)

If Houston are willing to trade FVV then they should be looking at someone like Fox not 35/6 year old, someone proposed the Fox trade else where and quite liked that Idea for both Hou/Sac
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Post#14 » by Bentley1225 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:07 am

BBallFreak wrote:
Bentley1225 wrote:Butler + Love
For
Brooks + Adams + Green + 1st


Green is poison pill.


Jeff Green isn’t….
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Post#15 » by BBallFreak » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:10 am

Bentley1225 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Bentley1225 wrote:Butler + Love
For
Brooks + Adams + Green + 1st


Green is poison pill.


Jeff Green isn’t….

I don't think that's enough salary
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Post#16 » by Ell Curry » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:24 am

jbk1234 wrote:I don't see anyway FVV can go out here. Is Green the lead guard on a contending team? It has to be Brooks and Adams.

Maybe Green can go to the Pistons for Ivey who goes back to the Heat.


Pistons wouldn't do that.

I do think replacing FVV is fixable, though.

Maybe Brogdon for Adams, Green and 2nds? Similar move for D-Lo Russsel makes sense.

Rockets buy some time for Amen and Sheppard to keep learning on the job, maybe they can even squeeze in Brogdon or Russell on a 1 year deal and pay the tax next year, then move off Brooks in the summer of 2026 to pay Eason and Jabari since their extensions are due?
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Post#17 » by Bentley1225 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:29 am

BBallFreak wrote:
Bentley1225 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Green is poison pill.


Jeff Green isn’t….

I don't think that's enough salary


It works on Spotrac Trade machine……
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Post#18 » by BBallFreak » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:34 am

Bentley1225 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Bentley1225 wrote:
Jeff Green isn’t….

I don't think that's enough salary


It works on Spotrac Trade machine……

I guess it depends on the first but I'd listen. Probably try to flip Brooks for expiring or a two year deal instead of a three year deal.
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Post#19 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:36 am

Doesn't make sense to be FVV. Rockets will be win now.

Jalen Green doesn't make sense unless it's to a 3rd team
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Post#20 » by Xman » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:39 am

Butler has said he is opting out. So, Miami should not expect a lot. Especially since most cannot make salary match.
Other issue: Brooks is perfect fit for the coach and sets the tone for the team. Vleet has shot them out of some games but his leadership is valuable (personally, I would ship him but it could backfire).
The guys Houston doesn’t mind dealing add up to enough salary: Adams, Landale, Tate, Holiday, JeffGreen. But, center depth would be an issue.
Jalen can pretty much only go to Detroit in a three team deal due to poison pill. 2025 pick cannot be traded due to Stepien rule.
Not sure how much should go for a half year rental.
If Miami isn’t giving up on the year, I like the idea of Ingram going to Miami and New Orleans getting a pick and/or one of whitmore/sheppard.

Could do it without CJ but adds flair:
Miami gets Ingram, CJ, Theis
Houston gets Butler
NO gets DRobinson, Tate, Landale, Adams, Holiday JeffGreen and second best of 2027 first bkn/phx/hou.

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