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To Detroit: Jordan Clarkson

To Utah: SRP

Detroit has just enough space under the cap to add Clarkson without sending salary out to Utah. Clarkson and Beasley can hold down the fort while Ivey recovers from injury. I initially thought they could rent out that capspace but the Ivey situation leads them to adding another scoring guard. JC signed for one more season at $14 mil.

Utah keeps unloading veterans in their quest to capture the Flagg. They give those minutes to young players.

I imagine if here is no salary going back, then Detroit is going to want to be paid rather than paying out.

It’s a one season injury for Ivey. I don’t think they’d want a multi year deal to “fill in”, especially if they have to pay out for it.

Scoot McGroot wrote:I imagine if here is no salary going back, then Detroit is going to want to be paid rather than paying out.

It’s a one season injury for Ivey. I don’t think they’d want a multi year deal to “fill in”, especially if they have to pay out for it.

Maybe? I think Clarkson has neutral-ish value even with one more year on his contract but not really sure..

I read a report yesterday that Detroit had interest in JC. Maybe some salary goes back to Utah. Is there someone on the FA market Pistons will be chasing? It's a pretty lean FA class.

Agree with Scoot. The Pistons are going to want real draft capital for eating Clarkson's second year. I don't think this board has really processed how valuable cap space has become with the aprons. GS let Thompson walk. The Clippers let PG walk. The Nets stayed true to their public position and didn't take back future money. Several teams are still looking to duck the tax this season. LaVine is still in Chicago. I expect Jimmy's trade market to be pretty bad.

I think you have to have Detroit sending an equallivalent contract back. That cap space has value.

mg wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:I imagine if here is no salary going back, then Detroit is going to want to be paid rather than paying out.

It’s a one season injury for Ivey. I don’t think they’d want a multi year deal to “fill in”, especially if they have to pay out for it.

Maybe? I think Clarkson has neutral-ish value even with one more year on his contract but not really sure..

Neutral value wouldn't really pull pure cap space midseason though. Let alone getting paid a 2nd. I think if Clarkson were purely neutral, Utah would still be paying a 2nd to move him into cap space.

I read a report yesterday that Detroit had interest in JC. Maybe some salary goes back to Utah. Is there someone on the FA market Pistons will be chasing? It's a pretty lean FA class.

I mean, mostly it's just that Detroit will be using cap space to eat contracts for payments this next summer, like they would be this deadline. In paying a 2nd for Clarkson, they give up the ability to get paid to eat contracts both this trade deadline, and also with that corresponding $15m this upcoming summer, too.

For all the complaints of teams having tough times making deals because of apron restrictions, this is where Detroit should be getting paid to help those teams out. They're essentially one of the only teams able to do a ton of salary eating.

I'd send to 2nds to make this happen and I don't know if Detroit should do it even then. If they have natural matching salary that makes more sense.

Jordan Clarkson/Cavs 2025 1st to Detroit for Wendell Moore Jr/a 2nd or two(but not Torontos)

Why for Utah-clear out Clarksons contract. You also create about $10 million in cap space

Why for Detroit-Clarkson should be able to fill in somewhat for the loss of Ivey. Get a low 1st to use as part of a future trade.

Why not for Detroit- you create competition for yourselves in terms of teams having major cap space. There’s a reason Clarkson is always mentioned in trades. He also hasn’t shot over 35% from the 3 point line since the 2019/20 season.


I’m largely on the fence on Clarkson for Detroit, because I did try to make a fair Moore/Reed (before we cut and resigned him) for Clarkson trade in the past

Feel like if Detroit could fairly acquire Sexton, it would make sense regardless of Iveys health status

chrbal wrote:Jordan Clarkson/Cavs 2025 1st to Detroit for Wendell Moore Jr/a 2nd or two(but not Torontos)

Why for Utah-clear out Clarksons contract. You also create about $10 million in cap space

Why for Detroit-Clarkson should be able to fill in somewhat for the loss of Ivey. Get a low 1st to use as part of a future trade.

Why not for Detroit- you create competition for yourselves in terms of teams having major cap space. There’s a reason Clarkson is always mentioned in trades. He also hasn’t shot over 35% from the 3 point line since the 2019/20 season.


I’m largely on the fence on Clarkson for Detroit, because I did try to make a fair Moore/Reed (before we cut and resigned him) for Clarkson trade in the past

Feel like if Detroit could fairly acquire Sexton, it would make sense regardless of Iveys health status

We aren't using a first to dump Clarkson. We don't need cap space, we need shots at young players.

babyjax13 wrote:

chrbal wrote:Jordan Clarkson/Cavs 2025 1st to Detroit for Wendell Moore Jr/a 2nd or two(but not Torontos)

Why for Utah-clear out Clarksons contract. You also create about $10 million in cap space

Why for Detroit-Clarkson should be able to fill in somewhat for the loss of Ivey. Get a low 1st to use as part of a future trade.

Why not for Detroit- you create competition for yourselves in terms of teams having major cap space. There’s a reason Clarkson is always mentioned in trades. He also hasn’t shot over 35% from the 3 point line since the 2019/20 season.


I’m largely on the fence on Clarkson for Detroit, because I did try to make a fair Moore/Reed (before we cut and resigned him) for Clarkson trade in the past

Feel like if Detroit could fairly acquire Sexton, it would make sense regardless of Iveys health status

We aren't using a first to dump Clarkson. We don't need cap space, we need shots at young players.

Absolutely, but I don’t see Detroit acquiring him just to acquire him. We simply don’t make good trade partners. It might make sense if Detroit acquires someone in a separate trade then swaps him for Jordan as he would (theoretically) make more sense for Detroit then whatever player they got.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

mg wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:I imagine if here is no salary going back, then Detroit is going to want to be paid rather than paying out.

It’s a one season injury for Ivey. I don’t think they’d want a multi year deal to “fill in”, especially if they have to pay out for it.

Maybe? I think Clarkson has neutral-ish value even with one more year on his contract but not really sure..

Neutral value wouldn't really pull pure cap space midseason though. Let alone getting paid a 2nd. I think if Clarkson were purely neutral, Utah would still be paying a 2nd to move him into cap space.

I read a report yesterday that Detroit had interest in JC. Maybe some salary goes back to Utah. Is there someone on the FA market Pistons will be chasing? It's a pretty lean FA class.

I mean, mostly it's just that Detroit will be using cap space to eat contracts for payments this next summer, like they would be this deadline. In paying a 2nd for Clarkson, they give up the ability to get paid to eat contracts both this trade deadline, and also with that corresponding $15m this upcoming summer, too.

For all the complaints of teams having tough times making deals because of apron restrictions, this is where Detroit should be getting paid to help those teams out. They're essentially one of the only teams able to do a ton of salary eating.

Nailed it

I'd like to see DET using its financial room under the luxury tax to acquire a guard to fill in for Ivey. Sasser will have an opportunity to show something in an expanded role, but even if he plays well there is still room in the rotation for a decent backup PG or combo guard.

However, I'd much rather do that as "step 2" trade after we've used up that valuable cap space to get an actual asset (a decent prospect or FRP). I'd be a lot more open to filling Ivey's roster hole by picking up a buyout candidate, an expiring contract, or even a trying out GLeaguers on 10 days -- the last thing I want to do is spend cap space both this year and next year

chrbal wrote:Jordan Clarkson/Cavs 2025 1st to Detroit for Wendell Moore Jr/a 2nd or two(but not Torontos)

Why for Utah-clear out Clarksons contract. You also create about $10 million in cap space

Why for Detroit-Clarkson should be able to fill in somewhat for the loss of Ivey. Get a low 1st to use as part of a future trade.

Why not for Detroit- you create competition for yourselves in terms of teams having major cap space. There’s a reason Clarkson is always mentioned in trades. He also hasn’t shot over 35% from the 3 point line since the 2019/20 season.


I’m largely on the fence on Clarkson for Detroit, because I did try to make a fair Moore/Reed (before we cut and resigned him) for Clarkson trade in the past

Feel like if Detroit could fairly acquire Sexton, it would make sense regardless of Iveys health status

Agreed. Even the assumption that Clarkson has nuetral trade value seems misplaced. He doesn't. If the choice was between Clarkson or $14M in cap relief next summer, everyone takes the relief. No one picks up the option.

babyjax13 wrote:I'd send to 2nds to make this happen and I don't know if Detroit should do it even then. If they have natural matching salary that makes more sense.

I'm still entrenched in the position that Utah shouldn't use any draft assets to move contracts at this stage. There's just no compelling reason to do so. The Jazz suck this season and they'll still suck next season.

SkyHook wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I'd send to 2nds to make this happen and I don't know if Detroit should do it even then. If they have natural matching salary that makes more sense.

I'm still entrenched in the position that Utah shouldn't use any draft assets to move contracts at this stage. There's just no compelling reason to do so. The Jazz suck this season and they'll still suck next season.

Fully agree

If a team like UTA (or DET) needs to throw in value to move a contract perceived as negative, they are better off waiting till next season because the cost of moving the contract typically goes down as the term gets shorter.

This same logic applies to either Clarkston or Tobias Harris

Makes sense if it's Sexton, not Clarkson.

Mavrelous wrote:Makes sense if it's Sexton, not Clarkson.

And if the deal is Sexton for an SRP, I'd much rather keep him.