ATL - SAC (A Little Different)

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Both / Fair Trade
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ATL - SAC (A Little Different) 

Post#1 » by bpcox05 » Mon Jan 6, 2025 4:01 am

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ATL GETS: Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected
ATL GIVES: Agrees that SAC no longer owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 SAC 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
WHY FOR ATL? When the Kings traded for Huerter, they gave ATL a protected 1st round pick. It has not conveyed yet and is top 12 protected in 2025 and top 10 protected in 2026. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2026, ATL gets SAC’s 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks as a consolation prize. With the Kings below .500 and currently not in the play-in picture, it’s possible that ATL could not end up with one of SAC’s 1sts (2025 or 2026). By changing the protection on the 2026 1st from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, it makes it a very high likelihood that ATL will receive a 1st from SAC. In order to improve their odds of having that 1st convey, ATL agrees to forgo their consolation prize of the 2026 & 2027 SAC 2nds.

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SAC Gets: The removal of the stipulation that SAC owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
SAC Gives: Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected
Why for SAC? The Kings may be hesitant to make a trade that sends a 1st out with Fox’s future being unknown. However, the Kings only have 1 2nd available to use in a trade right now (2029 2nd). This trade frees up 2 more 2nds for them to use in a potential trade (giving them 3 2nds at their disposal).

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Re: ATL - SAC (A Little Different) 

Post#2 » by raleigh » Mon Jan 6, 2025 1:37 pm

Creative idea. I think Hawks fans are really hoping it conveys this year.
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Re: ATL - SAC (A Little Different) 

Post#3 » by bpcox05 » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:48 pm

raleigh wrote:Creative idea. I think Hawks fans are really hoping it conveys this year.

Yeah, I think this just gives ATL some more confidence that they’ll actually get a 1st round pick out of the original Huerter trade.

And I really like the idea of SAC having 3 2nds to throw around at the deadline to try and make a roster balancing upgrade (Huerter & 2nds for a forward/big). I’d be nervous trading a 1st round pick for a win now upgrade at the deadline knowing Fox could ask out during the 2025 off-season or simply walk at the end of the 2025-26 season and sign with another team.
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Post#4 » by jayjaysee » Mon Jan 6, 2025 6:05 pm

Not a fan of either team. But Atl very clearly should do this just in case.

If Fox demands out, it’s pretty reasonable that Sac first would convey in the 8-10 range next year. If Fox doesn’t demand out, the OP realistically changes little for Sac.

Whoever Sac is targetting with those 3 seconds. That team should accept a 2027 first (delay a year of 2025 doesn’t convey) with the same type of protection as the first Atl got. That’s obviously more value than 3 seconds and Sac protects next season and future seasons..
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Re: ATL - SAC (A Little Different) 

Post#5 » by bpcox05 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 10:58 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Not a fan of either team. But Atl very clearly should do this just in case.

If Fox demands out, it’s pretty reasonable that Sac first would convey in the 8-10 range next year. If Fox doesn’t demand out, the OP realistically changes little for Sac.

Whoever Sac is targetting with those 3 seconds. That team should accept a 2027 first (delay a year of 2025 doesn’t convey) with the same type of protection as the first Atl got. That’s obviously more value than 3 seconds and Sac protects next season and future seasons..

I think the idea is that the Kings wouldn’t want to trade away any future 1sts so this gives them some more assets to try and make an upgrade/balancing move at the deadline.
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Post#6 » by jayjaysee » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:25 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Not a fan of either team. But Atl very clearly should do this just in case.

If Fox demands out, it’s pretty reasonable that Sac first would convey in the 8-10 range next year. If Fox doesn’t demand out, the OP realistically changes little for Sac.

Whoever Sac is targetting with those 3 seconds. That team should accept a 2027 first (delay a year of 2025 doesn’t convey) with the same type of protection as the first Atl got. That’s obviously more value than 3 seconds and Sac protects next season and future seasons..

I think the idea is that the Kings wouldn’t want to trade away any future 1sts so this gives them some more assets to try and make an upgrade/balancing move at the deadline.


Yeah, if it is just noise around Fox and you can add talent - sure.

But if not, I’d rather owe two top 10 protected firsts is all… The chance of giving up a pick between 5-10 next year just so we can trade an extra two seconds is not worth it in my opinion.
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Re: ATL - SAC (A Little Different) 

Post#7 » by bpcox05 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:46 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Not a fan of either team. But Atl very clearly should do this just in case.

If Fox demands out, it’s pretty reasonable that Sac first would convey in the 8-10 range next year. If Fox doesn’t demand out, the OP realistically changes little for Sac.

Whoever Sac is targetting with those 3 seconds. That team should accept a 2027 first (delay a year of 2025 doesn’t convey) with the same type of protection as the first Atl got. That’s obviously more value than 3 seconds and Sac protects next season and future seasons..

I think the idea is that the Kings wouldn’t want to trade away any future 1sts so this gives them some more assets to try and make an upgrade/balancing move at the deadline.


Yeah, if it is just noise around Fox and you can add talent - sure.

But if not, I’d rather owe two top 10 protected firsts is all… The chance of giving up a pick between 5-10 next year just so we can trade an extra two seconds is not worth it in my opinion.

Well then maybe SAC can haggle a bit on how much to lessen the protection. Maybe lowering it from top 10 to top 7 or top 6 instead balances the trade more.
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Re: ATL - SAC (A Little Different) 

Post#8 » by Geaux_Hawks » Wed Jan 8, 2025 5:33 pm

Completely forgot this pick was also top 10 protected in 2026. Yeah I would definitely consider this. One thing about the lottery is that it's no guarantee even with the best odds to end up where it's projected. If this turned into a top 5 pick for us, then the Huerter trade would be more than worth. Of course that assumes the pick ends up not conveying 2025.

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