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To Blazers:
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Orlando Robinson
Future 1st (Protected)
(would toss in a 2nd if needed)

To Kings:
Robert Williams
Matisse Thybulle

For Blazers:
They are not contending in the next few years so they get a shooter off the bench and a look at a promising player in Jones as well as picking up a future 1st.

For Kings:
They pick up the pieces they are sorely missing currently and grab some bench defenders (big and wing) they desperately need to make noise in the West and in the playoffs.

The Blazer are not sending anything here worth a future 1st.

SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

JRoy wrote:SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

A future 1st is definitely worth it for us.

JRoy wrote:SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

"the package" is quite a grandiose way to describe Thybulle and Timelord...

FWIW, and I know it's not worth much, but I just feel like Blazers have too many gunner guards.

nykballa2k4 wrote:

JRoy wrote:SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

"the package" is quite a grandiose way to describe Thybulle and Timelord...

FWIW, and I know it's not worth much, but I just feel like Blazers have too many gunner guards.

I’d love to see Simons moved ASAP.

cucad8 wrote:

JRoy wrote:SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

A future 1st is definitely worth it for us.

I meant that the deal isn’t worth for POR without the FRP.

cucad8 wrote:

JRoy wrote:SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

A future 1st is definitely worth it for us.

I meant that the deal isn’t worth for POR without the FRP.

This nearly identical thread was made yesterday. nothing has changed. These dudes are not worth a 1st

JRoy wrote:

cucad8 wrote:

JRoy wrote:SAC is not sending anything worth the package.

A future 1st is definitely worth it for us.

I meant that the deal isn’t worth for POR without the FRP.

Ahh, missed that then. Yea, that checks out, picks are more important than overpriced vets.


Simons is such a good player, I hope he goes somewhere that can actually use him. Preferably not Miami or Philly because I don't want to deal with that.

nykballa2k4 wrote:

JRoy wrote:

cucad8 wrote:A future 1st is definitely worth it for us.

I meant that the deal isn’t worth for POR without the FRP.

Ahh, missed that then. Yea, that checks out, picks are more important than overpriced vets.


Simons is such a good player, I hope he goes somewhere that can actually use him. Preferably not Miami or Philly because I don't want to deal with that.

He can score but needs to be surrounded by a tough defense as he is putrid on that end. ORL might be a fit.

Dthrill55 wrote:To Blazers:
Kevin Huerter
Colby Jones
Orlando Robinson
Future 1st (Protected)
(would toss in a 2nd if needed)

To Kings:
Robert Williams
Matisse Thybulle

For Blazers:
They are not contending in the next few years so they get a shooter off the bench and a look at a promising player in Jones as well as picking up a future 1st.

For Kings:
They pick up the pieces they are sorely missing currently and grab some bench defenders (big and wing) they desperately need to make noise in the West and in the playoffs.

Yes

Same answer as the first time this came up.

No thanks to injured junk and a guy who you cannot keep in the floor offensively.

Especially not for a pick. Those are for players that are difference makers not role players who never play.

OGSactownballer wrote:Same answer as the first time this came up.

No thanks to injured junk and a guy who you cannot keep in the floor offensively.

Especially not for a pick. Those are for players that are difference makers not role players who never play.

Injured sure. Injured junk? RW is the best player in the deal and MT is 2 time all defense.

Beats the hell out of Ginger and the Nothings.

Have seen multiple attempts to parlay that package into an upgrade for SAC.

Not much interest.

Are we living in an alternate universe with injuries off

JRoy wrote:

OGSactownballer wrote:Same answer as the first time this came up.

No thanks to injured junk and a guy who you cannot keep in the floor offensively.

Especially not for a pick. Those are for players that are difference makers not role players who never play.

Injured sure. Injured junk? RW is the best player in the deal and MT is 2 time all defense.

Beats the hell out of Ginger and the Nothings.

Have seen multiple attempts to parlay that package into an upgrade for SAC.

Not much interest.

I agree that there isn't much interest in Kevin around here (although some have said within the people covering the team that there is significant interest around the L - maybe its the same type of people saying Portland have already received an offer of a protected 1st for RW3) but there is a middle ground about someone that is actually available to play (Huerter) and the guy that is the better player on the court (RW3). Thybulle is simply wasted salary that needs significant salary to get rid of the rest of this seasons salary and next year, because he is NOT opting out of that contract at all. You also can't sell him to a PO team because he has shown that he can't be on the court in that setting. On the other end of that, Huerter can't be on the court either unless his shot is falling, which he has shown so far, it doesn't in the POs.
RW3 can't stay on the court in that setting, but for different reasons.

The only way you can sell anyone on this is that RW3 played 20 games in the POs in 22/23 for the Celtics and was a difference maker, which for the entire 22/23, 23/24 and 24/25 seasons he has played a total of 52 games, which again, he was a difference maker on the defensive end, but what are we talking about for the other 147 games?

WHAT do you suggest a team does to cover for a 2/$25m salary when they're trying to compete for a championship/POs, because in the apron era this is significant. You need to play.
RW3 is cooked AF. He is definitely worth a 1st if he can get on the court for 12-20mpg. BUT he can't. He hasn't shown it. Why would anyone at this point pay any draft capital to think, yeah it's just an aberration, for his entire career, in Boston and Portland, we are the ones that can keep him healthy, because that's the only reason to spend a 1st on him.
Thybulle? Pfft. Come on, he's from Austria for gods sake (I know you see it).

Thybulle\Australian FWIW

RW3 is healthy now, I think he is going on his 3rd? DNP, so it appears that they are holding him for the trade deadline

RW3, when healthy is a difference maker, and he is healthy now, and he has proven to show up in big games, that has value, how much? IF POR GM does his job, we will soon find out

There are no guarantees on any players’ health, just look at all the injuries that have happened this year

Williams only has real value to a contending team looking for high level players to make a deep playoff run. They can afford to keep his minutes low in the regular season. I think those teams would prefer a high level impact player over a lower level player who is more available for the regular season but less impactful in the post-season because a healthy Williams makes a difference when it matters.

I think Sac needs more immediate help and would be relying on Williams to help them make the playoffs, which is a bit scarier proposition hoping his health holds up compared to a team that can rest him and give him plenty of time to recover between games and keep him fresh for when it really matters.

Blazers should just let every last vet expire if no one wants to pay fair cost. I’m cool with people rejecting the vets, but we’re also not giving them away for anything less than fair value.

I think SAC would be crazy to burn a FRP on RWIII and MT given their health concerns and the lack of a big bucket of tradable assets for the Kings. This would be using one of the few tradable incentives to get a few role players that have histories of missing time.

If RWIII and MT were more reliable, and if SAC was overall just more talented, I could see this. But thats not the case.