Page 1 of 2
DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:41 am
by rambo_ortega
Nuggets Get:
Andrew Wiggins
Buddy Hield
They get solid rotation pieces that fits their roster
Jokic/Gordon/Wiggins/Hield/Murray
DJ/Watson/Braun/Strawther/Westbrook
Warriors Get:
Michael Porter Jr.
Dubs get a young borderline All Star who can shine in this system
Green/MPJ/Kuminga/Schroder/Curry
TJD/Anderson/Moody/GP3/Podziemski
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 12:53 pm
by nomansland
My gut said "no way!" but I wanted to check the numbers. It doesn't work on the ESPN trade machine. It works on the RealGM trade checker but the results are pretty disastrous for Denver in terms of production.
So I'll stick with "no way!"
Numbers aside, Denver would be crazy to send Porter to Golden State of all places. If they were to send him anywhere (which very probably won't happen), send him east.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 3:11 pm
by gswhoops
Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 4:09 pm
by xdrta+
Doesn't work for the Warriors. Taking back $800k more than they send out puts them over their hard cap, plus they have to add a player to get to 14.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 4:30 pm
by BelgradeNugget
nomansland wrote:My gut said "no way!" but I wanted to check the numbers. It doesn't work on the ESPN trade machine. It works on the RealGM trade checker but the results are pretty disastrous for Denver in terms of production.
So I'll stick with "no way!"
Numbers aside, Denver would be crazy to send Porter to Golden State of all places. If they were to send him anywhere (which very probably won't happen), send him east.
Porter is having his best season and Wiggins and Buddy are Wiggins and Buddy. No thanks
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:44 pm
by DonaldSanders
Both guys are having nice years so I am confused why either team would be motivated to do this?
The "Why" here needs to be hashed out more.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 8:50 am
by nomansland
gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.
That's a take I never would have expected.
I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 4:27 pm
by gswhoops
nomansland wrote:gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.
That's a take I never would have expected.
I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.
Defense is a thing, despite how much as MPJ pretends it isn't.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 5:34 pm
by kobe_vs_jordan
nomansland wrote:gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.
That's a take I never would have expected.
I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.
16 PPG with defense vs 19 PPG on higher efficiency meh defense but better rebounding. Per 100 possessions gives Wiggins the PPG advantage.
Think more playoffs teams would desire Wiggins defense than MPJ offense . Could make a case that MPJ has the higher ceiling if he a clear second option on a team.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 5:35 pm
by nomansland
gswhoops wrote:nomansland wrote:gswhoops wrote:Wiggins is a straight up better player than MPJ. Easy pass.
That's a take I never would have expected.
I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.
Defense is a thing, despite how much as MPJ pretends it isn't.
Porter's defense was bad a few years ago but it's gotten a lot better. And it's not like Wiggins is some defensive menace.
If you want to talk about contracts, that's one thing, but to say Wiggins is a straight up better player is crazy.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 6:10 pm
by gswhoops
nomansland wrote:gswhoops wrote:nomansland wrote:That's a take I never would have expected.
I'd love to hear what other people would say about that.
Defense is a thing, despite how much as MPJ pretends it isn't.
Porter's defense was bad a few years ago but it's gotten a lot better. And it's not like Wiggins is some defensive menace.
If you want to talk about contracts, that's one thing, but to say Wiggins is a straight up better player is crazy.
And yet somehow Wiggins is ahead of MPJ in most advanced metrics (BPM, VORP, WS/48, tied in PER despite PER not factoring in defense).
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:17 pm
by BelgradeNugget
GSW players netrtg
Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6
Nuggets players netrtg
Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4
MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:20 pm
by gswhoops
BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg
Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6
Nuggets players netrtg
Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4
MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks
Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.
Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:31 pm
by BelgradeNugget
gswhoops wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg
Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6
Nuggets players netrtg
Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4
MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks
Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.
Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team
I wasn't comparing players across teams. I'm comparing players in the same team. Read again. MPJ has 4th best netrtg of Nuggets players. Wiggins is 8th among GSW players. Sometimes netrtg can be too good or too bad for certain players (depending on rotations) but if your team is winning minutes with Podziemski, Payton II, Kuminga, Looney even Hield but losing minutes when Wiggins is on court does that says something?
BTW MPJ is better in EPM and Lebron.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Thu Jan 9, 2025 12:20 am
by squarepimpin
Kerr Will probably play him at center
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:33 am
by jbk1234
gswhoops wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg
Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6
Nuggets players netrtg
Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4
MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks
Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.
Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team
He's the best player in the league, obviously. The Cavs will listen to offers though.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:16 am
by BigGargamel
This isn't the worst MPJ trade I've seen, but he's Denver's really only valuable trade chip, so I'd rather them aim higher or just keep him. Denver needs his offense bad right now. Other than Jokic, he's really their only dependable shooter at the moment.
I'd rank MPJ a bit higher than Wiggins, so I wouldn't make that move 1 for 1. Not interested in Buddy Hield at all. I'd hate to see him take minutes away from Strawther.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:42 pm
by daoneandonly
Interesting concept, but I cant see GS taking on MPJ's deal given what he does and does not bring to the table
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:04 pm
by SkyHook
jbk1234 wrote:gswhoops wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg
Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6
Nuggets players netrtg
Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4
MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks
Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.
Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team
He's the best player in the league, obviously. The Cavs will listen to offers though.
This is the best response.
Re: DEN-GSW Trade
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:27 pm
by gswhoops
jbk1234 wrote:gswhoops wrote:BelgradeNugget wrote:GSW players netrtg
Stephen Curry 6.9
Draymond Green 4.2
Brandin Podziemski 2.1
Gary Payton II 1.9
Jonathan Kuminga 1.6
Kevon Looney 1.4
Buddy Hield 1.3
Andrew Wiggins -0.6
Nuggets players netrtg
Nikola Jokić 11.0
Aaron Gordon 8.0
Christian Braun 7.3
Michael Porter Jr. 6.1
Jamal Murray 4.8
Peyton Watson 0.1
Russell Westbrook -0.4
MPJ playes like Nuggets 4th best player. Wiggins playes like GSW's 8th best player. No thanks
Net rating is an absolutely useless stat to compare players across teams.
Caris LeVert leads the league in net rating. Do you think that's because (1) he's the best player in the league, or (2) he plays for a very good team
He's the best player in the league, obviously. The Cavs will listen to offers though.
How many firsts would we need to add to Curry to get LeVert