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Suns trade Grayson Allen, 2 2nds
Suns get Zeke Nnaji, Dario Saric, Denver 2031 first

Suns take on bad salary in Zeke because ultimately it gives them enough firsts to make the Jimmy Butler/Brad Beal deal work.

Nuggets get off Zeke contract, add another shooter to a team that lacks shooters according to Jokic. Also pick up 2 2nds to restock the trade cabinet a bit.

I'll let others weigh in on the CBA portion of this is going to work with all the apron stuff. But if this lets the Suns turn Beal, Allen, 1st into Butler, Nnaji, Saric they should do it. And Denver should do it as is.

Lots of disparaging of Allen on the boards lately but he's a good player. Not a great defender but not a guy teams can just relentlessly hunt. And he definitely will eat off of Jokic and provide more space for Murray to helpfully find his game again.

Texas Chuck wrote:I'll let others weigh in on the CBA portion of this is going to work with all the apron stuff. But if this lets the Suns turn Beal, Allen, 1st into Butler, Nnaji, Saric they should do it. And Denver should do it as is.

Lots of disparaging of Allen on the boards lately but he's a good player. Not a great defender but not a guy teams can just relentlessly hunt. And he definitely will eat off of Jokic and provide more space for Murray to helpfully find his game again.

Apron rules prevent this regardless.

Texas Chuck wrote:I'll let others weigh in on the CBA portion of this is going to work with all the apron stuff. But if this lets the Suns turn Beal, Allen, 1st into Butler, Nnaji, Saric they should do it. And Denver should do it as is.

Lots of disparaging of Allen on the boards lately but he's a good player. Not a great defender but not a guy teams can just relentlessly hunt. And he definitely will eat off of Jokic and provide more space for Murray to helpfully find his game again.

ya denver needs to send out another min player to a 3rd team for this to be legal. value wise i actually think denver owes more

Need a third team to send another vet min from Denver out as they are already over first apron. But that’s really minor and they have breathing room from the second apron so they can fill the roster back up.

Assuming that first is top 5ish (8?) protected.. I like this a lot for Denver, don’t think the seconds should be in this. And you just should not give up a variance unprotected first for Grayson Allen, so if that’s the deal I move on..

If Phoenix gets Butler (or someone) out of it, it’s worth it.

psman2 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I'll let others weigh in on the CBA portion of this is going to work with all the apron stuff. But if this lets the Suns turn Beal, Allen, 1st into Butler, Nnaji, Saric they should do it. And Denver should do it as is.

Lots of disparaging of Allen on the boards lately but he's a good player. Not a great defender but not a guy teams can just relentlessly hunt. And he definitely will eat off of Jokic and provide more space for Murray to helpfully find his game again.

Apron rules prevent this regardless.

just need denver to send a min player to another team

Denver owes more, remove the 2nds and it's closer, maybe use them to dump Zeke Naji or Saric elsewhere

Mavrelous wrote:Denver owes more, remove the 2nds and it's closer, maybe use them to dump Zeke Naji or Saric elsewhere

You could argue it but the Nuggets are doing the Suns a pretty big favor here if it lands them Butler. Grayson Allen would be a good pickup for the Nuggets but once the dust settles Suns improve more so Denver asking for a few 2nds to grease the wheels feels fine.

Someone like Brooklyn/Charlotte might be willing to just take Jalen Picket for a fake 2nd so they can have his bird rights and a free look at him the rest of the year. That would solve the cba issues.

Godaddycurse wrote:

psman2 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I'll let others weigh in on the CBA portion of this is going to work with all the apron stuff. But if this lets the Suns turn Beal, Allen, 1st into Butler, Nnaji, Saric they should do it. And Denver should do it as is.

Lots of disparaging of Allen on the boards lately but he's a good player. Not a great defender but not a guy teams can just relentlessly hunt. And he definitely will eat off of Jokic and provide more space for Murray to helpfully find his game again.

Apron rules prevent this regardless.

just need denver to send a min player to another team

True and pay another team to do it making the trade even more expensive. I really don't love the target honestly, I think Bruan is already as good if not better and like Watson too. If Allen could play up more then I would like it more. I know Denver should make some kind of move but I just don't like this one overall, but understand that moving Nnaji is going to cost so this might be the best of what they can do even if I don't love it.

Edit...after typing that out....Denver likely has to do it.

Okay, two firsts, now. Still doesn't entice me to take on Beal.

Even if they could make this legal, does Miami really take Beal + 2031 denver 1st for Jimmy? Or are there more PHX 1sts to be included?

LightTheBeam wrote:Even if they could make this legal, does Miami really take Beal + 2031 denver 1st for Jimmy? Or are there more PHX 1sts to be included?

Phoenix can include their own 2031 1st. It just came available at the conclusion of this last draft.

LightTheBeam wrote:Even if they could make this legal, does Miami really take Beal + 2031 denver 1st for Jimmy? Or are there more PHX 1sts to be included?

They have one they can trade.

Now will Miami and Beal both go for that? Your guess is as good as mine(or better probably lol).

LightTheBeam wrote:Even if they could make this legal, does Miami really take Beal + 2031 denver 1st for Jimmy? Or are there more PHX 1sts to be included?

Their would be the Phoenix 2031 pick, but even two wouldn't get me to trade Jimmy for Beal.

JMAC3 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Denver owes more, remove the 2nds and it's closer, maybe use them to dump Zeke Naji or Saric elsewhere

You could argue it but the Nuggets are doing the Suns a pretty big favor here if it lands them Butler. Grayson Allen would be a good pickup for the Nuggets but once the dust settles Suns improve more so Denver asking for a few 2nds to grease the wheels feels fine.

Someone like Brooklyn/Charlotte might be willing to just take Jalen Picket for a fake 2nd so they can have his bird rights and a free look at him the rest of the year. That would solve the cba issues.

No deals should be done on the basis of favours, Nuggets are helping themselves as they upgrade a real weakness in 3pt shooting volume and ability.
Nnaji contract is ugly, Allen contract is fair value, Allen is 25-30 MPG player, both players would struggle to combine double digit MPG.

Texas Chuck wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:Even if they could make this legal, does Miami really take Beal + 2031 denver 1st for Jimmy? Or are there more PHX 1sts to be included?

They have one they can trade.

Now will Miami and Beal both go for that? Your guess is as good as mine(or better probably lol).

It makes no logistical sense for Miami to do that, though. I don't think there's any way Miami agrees to take the worst contract in the league.

BBallFreak wrote:Okay, two firsts, now. Still doesn't entice me to take on Beal.

It does seem unlikely that Miami would take on Beal since they are likely trying to get cap flexibility. I think they will clearly target the big free agency fiesta in 2026.

I think Miami takes on 2 year deals but not 3 year deals that are $50m per season.

If Suns can acquire the extra first. I think 1 goes to Heat via Phoenix for Butler. The other 1st goes to the 3rd team taking Beal.

So now Heat get a mix and match of salaries from the 3rd team, plus a lightly protected future first from either Denver or Phoenix.

BBallFreak wrote:Okay, two firsts, now. Still doesn't entice me to take on Beal.

Think the general idea is Beal+one first to shave a year off of Beal’s contract, and then two year money and one first to Miami. And throw in Dunn and watered-down swaps.

Theres a lot of noise, which usually doesn’t happen for something impossible. But it seems like all the variations look really bad for Miami.

Mavrelous wrote:

JMAC3 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Denver owes more, remove the 2nds and it's closer, maybe use them to dump Zeke Naji or Saric elsewhere

You could argue it but the Nuggets are doing the Suns a pretty big favor here if it lands them Butler. Grayson Allen would be a good pickup for the Nuggets but once the dust settles Suns improve more so Denver asking for a few 2nds to grease the wheels feels fine.

Someone like Brooklyn/Charlotte might be willing to just take Jalen Picket for a fake 2nd so they can have his bird rights and a free look at him the rest of the year. That would solve the cba issues.

No deals should be done on the basis of favours, Nuggets are helping themselves as they upgrade a real weakness in 3pt shooting volume and ability.
Nnaji contract is ugly, Allen contract is fair value, Allen is 25-30 MPG player, both players would struggle to combine double digit MPG.

I mean you say this as if the Clippers didn't overpay for Paul George because of what it allowed them to do. It would be the same thing here with Suns, you overpay to get the first or you end up stuck with Beal aka no Kawhi.

This likely results in Jimmy Butler playing for Phoenix and signing an extension in Phoenix, if the Suns are going to get snooty about a few 2nds then I doubt this very complex deal finds it way over the finish line.