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BBallFreak wrote:I'm not sure it's legal because Phoenix can't aggregate salaries, not I LOVE this trade, as would the majority of the Heat board. They have lusted after both these players.

I still have my doubts how much Spo would use Collins not I feel like that's worth doing.

hcsilla wrote:Remove Dunn.

drchaos wrote:If no one wants Beal is there any way a trade involving Butler for KD makes any sense?

I am guessing that Miami would be the one to throw in a first round pick or some amount of draft capital.

Miami would be getting something it wants while Jimmy would get to play in Phoenix.

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

drchaos wrote:If no one wants Beal is there any way a trade involving Butler for KD makes any sense?

I am guessing that Miami would be the one to throw in a first round pick or some amount of draft capital.

Miami would be getting something it wants while Jimmy would get to play in Phoenix.

Maybe if we're blowing it up and we get back Rozier, Robinson/ Jacquez/Jovic/ 3 firsts? But aside from that, I'm not sure I see anything. FWIW, KD, and Butler want to play together. So if we can't land Butler in a trade (and I personally don't care if we don't) then it's somewhat likely that KD might not extend, and would ask for a trade.

drchaos wrote:

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

drchaos wrote:If no one wants Beal is there any way a trade involving Butler for KD makes any sense?

I am guessing that Miami would be the one to throw in a first round pick or some amount of draft capital.

Miami would be getting something it wants while Jimmy would get to play in Phoenix.

Maybe if we're blowing it up and we get back Rozier, Robinson/ Jacquez/Jovic/ 3 firsts? But aside from that, I'm not sure I see anything. FWIW, KD, and Butler want to play together. So if we can't land Butler in a trade (and I personally don't care if we don't) then it's somewhat likely that KD might not extend, and would ask for a trade.

I think that Phoenix should blow it up now in hopes that they don't lose Booker at some point.

I understand that Jimmy wants to play with KD and Beal but I am thinking that if it can not happen Jimmy might enjoy playing with Booker and Beal in Phoenix where the owner will give him the huge contract he wants at the end of the season.

Miami get KD instead of losing Jimmy for nothing at the end of the year.

If the Suns are unable to combine contracts I do not know how they could get all of those players.

Jimmy plus draft picks is not a bad outcome for the Suns.

Without those draft picks I do not understand how the Suns can ever get rid of Beal.

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
True!
By the way, any relation to professor Chaos??

LOL.....J/k of course.

babyjax13 wrote:The Suns will not get Butler without trading Dunn. You might not think the Suns should do that, but a 2031 1st and some seconds to turn Beal into Butler just isn't happening.

drchaos wrote:

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
True!
By the way, any relation to professor Chaos??

LOL.....J/k of course.

Only if you are related to General Disarray.

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:The Suns will not get Butler without trading Dunn. You might not think the Suns should do that, but a 2031 1st and some seconds to turn Beal into Butler just isn't happening.

Then the Suns don't need Butler. Swapping out Beal for Butler doesn't make us contenders and honestly might only make us marginally better at this stage because we simply have numerous legitimate issues that he alone wouldn't fix. And giving up both our 31' 1st and Dunn who's becoming the heart and soul energizer of this team for a marginal improvement while also giving out the last of our assets would be idiotic and asinine. At this cost, we're much better served to just hold onto Beal and keep him coming off the bench as our super 6th man, while keeping the last assets we have left to use to address our center position.

The premise around the necessity for trading Beal was predicated upon the struggles we had with him starting and how it imbalanced our roster. But so far, having him come off the bench is clearly working. And our starters are beginning to regain form. Therefore there's no real necessity to trade him now. Butler only wants to come here to get his last big payday. KD only wants him because they are friends and want to play together regardless of the potentially detrimental outcome it would most likely create by paying that much to two aging stars in their late 30s. It would be gross negligence at this point. Butler can go anywhere else and we'd be better for it long term.

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:The Suns will not get Butler without trading Dunn. You might not think the Suns should do that, but a 2031 1st and some seconds to turn Beal into Butler just isn't happening.

Then the Suns don't need Butler. Swapping out Beal for Butler doesn't make us contenders and honestly might only make us marginally better at this stage because we simply have numerous legitimate issues that he alone wouldn't fix. And giving up both our 31' 1st and Dunn who's becoming the heart and soul energizer of this team for a marginal improvement while also giving out the last of our assets would be idiotic and asinine. At this cost, we're much better served to just hold onto Beal and keep him coming off the bench as our super 6th man, while keeping the last assets we have left to use to address our center position.

The premise around the necessity for trading Beal was predicated upon the struggles we had with him starting and how it imbalanced our roster. But so far, having him come off the bench is clearly working. And our starters are beginning to regain form. Therefore there's no real necessity to trade him now. Butler only wants to come here to get his last big payday. KD only wants him because they are friends and want to play together regardless of the potentially detrimental outcome it would most likely create by paying that much to two aging stars in their late 30s. It would be gross negligence at this point. Butler can go anywhere else and we'd be better for it long term.

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:The Suns will not get Butler without trading Dunn. You might not think the Suns should do that, but a 2031 1st and some seconds to turn Beal into Butler just isn't happening.

Then the Suns don't need Butler. Swapping out Beal for Butler doesn't make us contenders and honestly might only make us marginally better at this stage because we simply have numerous legitimate issues that he alone wouldn't fix. And giving up both our 31' 1st and Dunn who's becoming the heart and soul energizer of this team for a marginal improvement while also giving out the last of our assets would be idiotic and asinine. At this cost, we're much better served to just hold onto Beal and keep him coming off the bench as our super 6th man, while keeping the last assets we have left to use to address our center position.

The premise around the necessity for trading Beal was predicated upon the struggles we had with him starting and how it imbalanced our roster. But so far, having him come off the bench is clearly working. And our starters are beginning to regain form. Therefore there's no real necessity to trade him now. Butler only wants to come here to get his last big payday. KD only wants him because they are friends and want to play together regardless of the potentially detrimental outcome it would most likely create by paying that much to two aging stars in their late 30s. It would be gross negligence at this point. Butler can go anywhere else and we'd be better for it long term.