Beal Street, Memphis (with Miami)

[zimpy27]

Grizzlies get Beal, Dunn, PHX31FRP
Grizzlies give Smart, Clarke, Kennard
Ja, Beal, Bane, JJJ, Edey -- Pippen Jr, Wells, Dunn, Santi, Huff
Grizzlies upgrade their roster and look to contend this season.

Suns get Butler, Burks
Suns give Beal, Dunn, PHX31FRP
Tyus, Booker, Butler, Durant, Nurkic -- Burks, Grayson, O'Neale, Oso, Plumlee
Suns move on from the Beal failure and manage to get Butler and Burks.

Heat get Smart, Clarke, Kennard
Heat give Butler, Burks
Smart, Herro, DRob, Clarke, Bam -- Rozier, Kennard, JJJ, Highsmith, Jovic
Heat move on from the Butler era with Smart as a nice fit with Herro as a starting backcourt. They save $9m this season on this deal and future money. Only thing they may not like is that Clarke has a 3rd year, but I think Clarke would fit exceptionally well next to Bam.

[winforlose]

Grizzlies get Beal, Dunn, PHX31FRP
Grizzlies give Smart, Clarke, Kennard
Ja, Beal, Bane, JJJ, Edey -- Pippen Jr, Wells, Dunn, Santi, Huff
Grizzlies upgrade their roster and look to contend this season.

Suns get Butler, Burks
Suns give Beal, Dunn, PHX31FRP
Tyus, Booker, Butler, Durant, Nurkic -- Burks, Grayson, O'Neale, Oso, Plumlee
Suns move on from the Beal failure and manage to get Butler and Burks.

Heat get Smart, Kennard, Clarke
Heat give Butler, Burks
Smart, Herro, DRob, Clarke, Bam -- Rozier, Kennard, JJJ, Highsmith, Jovic
Heat move on from the Butler era with Smart as a nice fit with Herro as a starting backcourt. They save $9m this season on this deal and future money. Only thing they may not like is that Clarke has a 3rd year, but I think Clarke would fit exceptionally well next to Bam.

Even if the Heat gave an unprotected first to Memphis the Griz still don’t make this trade. The contract is too bad and the money is gonna be needed.

[BBallFreak]

Miami isn't touching this. All the incentive goes to Memphis with none coming to us but we don't even get what we want, which is no long term salary.

[zimpy27]

Miami isn't touching this. All the incentive goes to Memphis with none coming to us but we don't even get what we want, which is no long term salary.

Are you not happy with Smart-Clarke return? I figured they'd be starters or at least Smart would be.

What would you be looking for in this trade scenario?

[wemby]

All of these trades involving Beal are nothing but Suns pipe dreams. No one is touching him. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[BBallFreak]

Miami isn't touching this. All the incentive goes to Memphis with none coming to us but we don't even get what we want, which is no long term salary.

Are you not happy with Smart-Clarke return? I figured they'd be starters or at least Smart would be.

What would you be looking for in this trade scenario?

I'm not happy with Clarke. His contract goes a year longer than the team wants. I feel like it's not to much to ask to replace him with a worthless two year deal and a first. Phoenix should trade Allen to Denver for salary filler and a first rounder - a real one, not one that turns into two seconds

[jayjaysee]

Beal forces Memphis to make financial decisions they shouldn’t make. With Beal’s NTC they can’t even turn around and trade him using the value they get.

Not that Beal would agree to go to Memphis. Getting Dunn and the 2031 first is honestly really good value for whoever ends up stuck with Beal. But I don’t see their ownership being willing to go that far over the apron. And then you are trading someone a lot better than Beal..

[zimpy27]

Miami isn't touching this. All the incentive goes to Memphis with none coming to us but we don't even get what we want, which is no long term salary.

Are you not happy with Smart-Clarke return? I figured they'd be starters or at least Smart would be.

What would you be looking for in this trade scenario?

I'm not happy with Clarke. His contract goes a year longer than the team wants. I feel like it's not to much to ask to replace him with a worthless two year deal and a first. Phoenix should trade Allen to Denver for salary filler and a first rounder - a real one, not one that turns into two seconds

I'm sure a team out there would make the swap of Clarke for a 2 year player. Lakers should move Vincent+JHS for him.

And yeah maybe you could get MEM25FRP

[BBallFreak]

Are you not happy with Smart-Clarke return? I figured they'd be starters or at least Smart would be.

What would you be looking for in this trade scenario?

I'm not happy with Clarke. His contract goes a year longer than the team wants. I feel like it's not to much to ask to replace him with a worthless two year deal and a first. Phoenix should trade Allen to Denver for salary filler and a first rounder - a real one, not one that turns into two seconds

I'm sure a team out there would make the swap of Clarke for a 2 year player. Lakers should move Vincent+JHS for him.

And yeah maybe you could get MEM25FRP

It's not Memphis who should be giving more value.

[psman2]

Memphis is entering the prime years of hopeful many years of playoff runs. Just no way we are going to be the team that takes on Beal's contract just as we are on the verge of being a tax team. I think we will likely dip our toes into paying the tax sometime relatively soon, but no way are will do something this financial reckless. Dunn looks interesting but we already have a lot of young interesting guys.

Plus Beal wouldn't waive his NTC to come off the bench here regardless.

[vxmike]

All of these trades involving Beal are nothing but Suns pipe dreams. No one is touching him. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Agree even if PHX gives away every shred of value possible I’m not sure anyone takes Beal’s contract.

By all value I mean the ‘31 FRP, Dunn, Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen plus taking back a bad contract in addition to Butler.

[esvl]

Why do you hate Memphis so much?

[zimpy27]

All of these trades involving Beal are nothing but Suns pipe dreams. No one is touching him. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Agree even if PHX gives away every shred of value possible I’m not sure anyone takes Beal’s contract.

By all value I mean the ‘31 FRP, Dunn, Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen plus taking back a bad contract in addition to Butler.

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

[winforlose]

All of these trades involving Beal are nothing but Suns pipe dreams. No one is touching him. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Agree even if PHX gives away every shred of value possible I’m not sure anyone takes Beal’s contract.

By all value I mean the ‘31 FRP, Dunn, Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen plus taking back a bad contract in addition to Butler.

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

Lavine doesn’t have a NTC. Plus if you haven’t noticed teams are not rushing to acquire Lavine. JJJ is up for money in 26/27, having Beal weighing down the Griz might create an enormous tax bill or make them lose someone of value. Beal is also old, injury prone, and not necessarily the best locker room guy, “I hold all the cards,” being an example. The value difference is higher than 7 million.

[zimpy27]

Agree even if PHX gives away every shred of value possible I’m not sure anyone takes Beal’s contract.

By all value I mean the ‘31 FRP, Dunn, Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen plus taking back a bad contract in addition to Butler.

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

Lavine doesn’t have a NTC. Plus if you haven’t noticed teams are not rushing to acquire Lavine. JJJ is up for money in 26/27, having Beal weighing down the Griz might create an enormous tax bill or make them lose someone of value. Beal is also old, injury prone, and not necessarily the best locker room guy, “I hold all the cards,” being an example. The value difference is higher than 7 million.

I realize teams aren't rushing to acquire LaVije but Bulls also aren't providing incentive like Suns are with Dunn and the 31 FRP.

I think someone would bite for those assets with Beal.

[winforlose]

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

Lavine doesn’t have a NTC. Plus if you haven’t noticed teams are not rushing to acquire Lavine. JJJ is up for money in 26/27, having Beal weighing down the Griz might create an enormous tax bill or make them lose someone of value. Beal is also old, injury prone, and not necessarily the best locker room guy, “I hold all the cards,” being an example. The value difference is higher than 7 million.

I realize teams aren't rushing to acquire LaVije but Bulls also aren't providing incentive like Suns are with Dunn and the 31 FRP.

I think someone would bite for those assets with Beal.

Before the new CBA, maybe. But 50+ is a lot of money tied up in a guy you cannot move for 3 years. Worse a guy frequently injured, is a disruption, and can say no. It isn’t enough to find a team who will take him, you need to find a team he will take.

[vxmike]

All of these trades involving Beal are nothing but Suns pipe dreams. No one is touching him. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Agree even if PHX gives away every shred of value possible I’m not sure anyone takes Beal’s contract.

By all value I mean the ‘31 FRP, Dunn, Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen plus taking back a bad contract in addition to Butler.

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

I’m not a Lavine fan but the value difference is more than $7m. Lavine is better and more durable than Beal at this stage. Add in Beal’s NTC and his deal is so toxic. The Bulls have had zero success moving Lavine due to his contract, and I’m not convinced they’d do any better than expirings or shorter/smaller deals from a team like DET with cap space remaining.

[zimpy27]

Agree even if PHX gives away every shred of value possible I’m not sure anyone takes Beal’s contract.

By all value I mean the ‘31 FRP, Dunn, Tyus Jones and Grayson Allen plus taking back a bad contract in addition to Butler.

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

I’m not a Lavine fan but the value difference is more than $7m. Lavine is better and more durable than Beal at this stage. Add in Beal’s NTC and his deal is so toxic. The Bulls have had zero success moving Lavine due to his contract, and I’m not convinced they’d do any better than expirings or shorter/smaller deals from a team like DET with cap space remaining.

Last 2 seasons: Beal 80 games, LaVine 58 games
Last 3 seasons: Beal 130 games, LaVine 135 games

Seem as durable as each other and play wise they are fairly identical.

I don't think their values should be more than a future FRP apart.

[BBallFreak]

Beal is still a good basketball player. He's as good as LaVine is, maybe even a little better when playing same level of offensive option.
But Beal makes $7m more per season than LaVine, that's the value difference between the two.

I’m not a Lavine fan but the value difference is more than $7m. Lavine is better and more durable than Beal at this stage. Add in Beal’s NTC and his deal is so toxic. The Bulls have had zero success moving Lavine due to his contract, and I’m not convinced they’d do any better than expirings or shorter/smaller deals from a team like DET with cap space remaining.

Last 2 seasons: Beal 80 games, LaVine 58 games
Last 3 seasons: Beal 130 games, LaVine 135 games

Seem as durable as each other and play wise they are fairly identical.

I don't think their values should be more than a future FRP apart.

You forget a couple of things - Beal has a no trade clause and a 15% kicker. So this year, alone, Beal is going to earn (after the trade) $14.5 million more than LaVine. And then, if you want to move on from him, you have to get his approval, (and that's not likely to be a rebuilding team who might offer something for an expiring contract like his, two years from now) and he gets ANOTHER 15% kicker.

LaVine is not valuable, at all, but he's more valuable than Beal.

[Mr Puddles]

If the Suns are dumb enough to make this offer (I wouldn't be surprised if they were) then I hope that Miami atleast has the good sense to safe them from their selves.

Butler doesn't address the Suns' main needs, but the Suns pursuing him is very much in line with their recent track record of 'star hunting'.

Giving up your youth for the privilege of getting to overpay for a Jimmy Butler extention a year from now is not a prudent course of action.

This Suns team needs a trade similar to Dallas' trade deadline swap last year. Much like that team, the Suns have the top talent, they just haven't built a team. Phoenix needs plow horses, not show ponies.