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I recall some pistons fans talking about an interest in McBride, so hopefully that intel is good:
Knicks trade Precious, McBride, Sims, Dadiet
for Beasley, Duren, Sasser, Klintman
Basically upgrading at back-up C and wing at the cost of PG and prospect. I think Dadiet being younger is the more desirable prospect, but Klintman has raw tools that can be useful. Knicks are also famous for screwing their raw kids (Knox is off scoring 40ppg or w/e in the D-league). I know that Pistons fans have soured a bit on Duren, but he can be a shot blocker and at present, KAT is basically the worst at rim protection. Beas also has Thibs connections.
Pistons trade Duren, Sasser, Beasley, Klintman
for TimeLord, McBride, Sims, Dadiet
A healthy TimeLord is a force in the paint. Still a premier shot blocker, right now appears to be sitting out with an illness. Pistons are deep enough that TimeLord's short comings will not be as problematic as they could be. McBride also offers a more elite guard off the bench. Fierce on defense, good scorer on offense, reliable kick out shooter. Still not a playmaker, but at this point he is our entire offense from the bench. Dadiet has shown flashes and has a great NBA build. Better prospect than Klintman, but mostly thrown in for cap reasons. Sims is a useful back-up. currently expendable to NY due to his limitations as well as Hukporti being cheaper and on a longer contract with similar output. Sims can be useful as an 'as needed' player when Williams is unavailable.
Blazers trade TimeLord for Precious Achiuwa
Precious is a work-horse type player, and he can provide versatility. Ayton looks like he won't be moved and Clingan is the future. Precious can play 4-5 effectively. Not a stopper, but an avid rebounder with some range, even able to hit the occasional 3.
A trade asset on his own, also give Blazers financial relief and/or capacity to be a money taker to facilitate someone else's move and receive draft compensation.
Knicks trade Precious, McBride, Sims, Dadiet
for Beasley, Duren, Sasser, Klintman
Basically upgrading at back-up C and wing at the cost of PG and prospect. I think Dadiet being younger is the more desirable prospect, but Klintman has raw tools that can be useful. Knicks are also famous for screwing their raw kids (Knox is off scoring 40ppg or w/e in the D-league). I know that Pistons fans have soured a bit on Duren, but he can be a shot blocker and at present, KAT is basically the worst at rim protection. Beas also has Thibs connections.
Pistons trade Duren, Sasser, Beasley, Klintman
for TimeLord, McBride, Sims, Dadiet
A healthy TimeLord is a force in the paint. Still a premier shot blocker, right now appears to be sitting out with an illness. Pistons are deep enough that TimeLord's short comings will not be as problematic as they could be. McBride also offers a more elite guard off the bench. Fierce on defense, good scorer on offense, reliable kick out shooter. Still not a playmaker, but at this point he is our entire offense from the bench. Dadiet has shown flashes and has a great NBA build. Better prospect than Klintman, but mostly thrown in for cap reasons. Sims is a useful back-up. currently expendable to NY due to his limitations as well as Hukporti being cheaper and on a longer contract with similar output. Sims can be useful as an 'as needed' player when Williams is unavailable.
Blazers trade TimeLord for Precious Achiuwa
Precious is a work-horse type player, and he can provide versatility. Ayton looks like he won't be moved and Clingan is the future. Precious can play 4-5 effectively. Not a stopper, but an avid rebounder with some range, even able to hit the occasional 3.
A trade asset on his own, also give Blazers financial relief and/or capacity to be a money taker to facilitate someone else's move and receive draft compensation.
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Pass for POR.
POR wants picks and youth not a very limited Precious.
POR wants picks and youth not a very limited Precious.
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You’ve got to be kidding. Let’s gut our team that finally has chemistry for a guy never healthy, McBride, and scrubs.
Duren has issues, for sure, but he’s young and worth the development time. Beasley is our best spacer and one of the best in the league. The rest is deck chairs, but we’re giving up the best one in Sasser.
Clear upgrades are needed unless we’re just picking up a backup PG / third guard. Anything else would be “oh, we gotta do that, it’s too good”, and this is not that.
Duren has issues, for sure, but he’s young and worth the development time. Beasley is our best spacer and one of the best in the league. The rest is deck chairs, but we’re giving up the best one in Sasser.
Clear upgrades are needed unless we’re just picking up a backup PG / third guard. Anything else would be “oh, we gotta do that, it’s too good”, and this is not that.
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This is an absolutely horrific trade for Detroit, and quite honestly, I don't know where to start, but will attempt.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
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I'd rather have McBride than Beasley...even playing up Deuce is a much better defender while still being a great shooter in his own right...and I have my doubts that Sasser would jump Payne in Thibs' rotation, but I haven't seen enough of Duren to know if he's worth it and have no comment on the prospect swap (didn't scout last year's draft at all).
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so if a prospect is on our roster but doesn't play, we couldn't possibly trade him without seeing him play (not sure this is true, but okay seems reasonable enough as a philosophy). But when a prospect picked higher on another team hasn't played it means he literally has no value.
I don't think your intention is to value players based on the front of the jersey, but positions like this sure make it sound that way.
I don't think your intention is to value players based on the front of the jersey, but positions like this sure make it sound that way.
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Texas Chuck wrote:so if a prospect is on our roster but doesn't play, we couldn't possibly trade him without seeing him play (not sure this is true, but okay seems reasonable enough as a philosophy). But when a prospect picked higher on another team hasn't played it means he literally has no value.
I don't think your intention is to value players based on the front of the jersey, but positions like this sure make it sound that way.
I genuinely don't know much about Klintman aside from what I got from digging. Draft profile stuff and what I have heard others say here.
A 21 year old rookie (SRP as mentioned) is fine and all, but Dadiet's whole point is that he is raw, young, but has a lot of shown abilities where he was.
My stance on rookies is going to typically be based on draft day value unless something has happened to change it substantially, so I measured the rookies as a wash.
In a re-draft (way too early) does Klintman go so much higher?
I did try to pull from what others have said here, but clearly I misunderstood the assignment.
FWIW, I have been high on Beas (and Vandy) as trade targets for the Knicks for the last like 2-3 years since I know they are guys Thibs liked before and have connections to the GM. I know he is solid, but did not see him as this highly valued.
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zeebneeb wrote:This is an absolutely horrific trade for Detroit, and quite honestly, I don't know where to start, but will attempt.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
Counter offer: Precious and McBride for Duran and Sasser?
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nykballa2k4 wrote:zeebneeb wrote:This is an absolutely horrific trade for Detroit, and quite honestly, I don't know where to start, but will attempt.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
Counter offer: Precious and McBride for Duran and Sasser?
For the Pistons I would value Duren over Precious and McBride, don't really care about Sasser.
Duren is our starting center and though he makes boneheaded plays and has motor issues, hes been getter better and his upside is tremendous. For reference, I would consider this for Sexton and John Collins, but not Precious and McBride.
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I'll assume your addressing me, and its the archetype if I didn't make myself clear.Texas Chuck wrote:so if a prospect is on our roster but doesn't play, we couldn't possibly trade him without seeing him play (not sure this is true, but okay seems reasonable enough as a philosophy). But when a prospect picked higher on another team hasn't played it means he literally has no value.
I don't think your intention is to value players based on the front of the jersey, but positions like this sure make it sound that way.
Bobi Klintman is 6'8.75 without shoes, and with shoes at least an inch taller. That would make him almost, or at 6'10. Standing reach 8'10.5. Wingspan 6'11 212lbs.
Klintman is a three-point shooting, shot-blocking block 4 in the NBA, a much sought after archetype in the league. Much more so then a player such as Dadiet.
Potential value over potential value.
I have zero affection for Klitman, as he has played a grand total of 3 minutes in the NBA. This is based purely on potential of said archetype, and theoretical value.
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This is a better offer, and an interesting one. If the Pistons could secure another C, in a different trade(I do not value Precious the same as Duren), then I wouldn't be opposed to it. I value McBride as 1.5 of these players.(All of Sasser, and half of Duren)nykballa2k4 wrote:zeebneeb wrote:This is an absolutely horrific trade for Detroit, and quite honestly, I don't know where to start, but will attempt.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
Counter offer: Precious and McBride for Duran and Sasser?
I am sure the Knicks would want draft compensation, and would have to settle for 2nd round picks, contingent on the Pistons adding another center of course.
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Here is a recent outing of Klintman on the g-league.
https://youtu.be/yYw-7BMQwVY?si=z4T-RTeaS30t_sX1
This is why I wouldn't want to throw him in.
https://youtu.be/yYw-7BMQwVY?si=z4T-RTeaS30t_sX1
This is why I wouldn't want to throw him in.
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JRoy wrote:Pass for POR.
POR wants picks and youth not a very limited Precious.
Agreed.
However if Portland got Dadiet as a return in the trade, I'd pull the trigger on that.
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tester551 wrote:JRoy wrote:Pass for POR.
POR wants picks and youth not a very limited Precious.
Agreed.
However if Portland got Dadiet as a return in the trade, I'd pull the trigger on that.
I would too, but that wasn’t the offer.
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zeebneeb wrote:This is a better offer, and an interesting one. If the Pistons could secure another C, in a different trade(I do not value Precious the same as Duren), then I wouldn't be opposed to it. I value McBride as 1.5 of these players.(All of Sasser, and half of Duren)nykballa2k4 wrote:zeebneeb wrote:This is an absolutely horrific trade for Detroit, and quite honestly, I don't know where to start, but will attempt.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
Counter offer: Precious and McBride for Duran and Sasser?
I am sure the Knicks would want draft compensation, and would have to settle for 2nd round picks, contingent on the Pistons adding another center of course.
At least you see where I started from. I then flipped Precious for TimeLord and then came matching and depth.
I agree that depth is important (even if my head coach doesn't

Thank's for the video of Klintman. He reminds me a bit of a taller Trevor Ariza. Obviously that competition is meh, but he seems like a fluid athlete who is comfortable with the ball.
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guldakot wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:zeebneeb wrote:This is an absolutely horrific trade for Detroit, and quite honestly, I don't know where to start, but will attempt.
Beasley is one of the best three-point shooters in the entire league, which has unlocked Cade.
Duren just turned 21, and the reason Piston fans have soured a bit, is because the team also has one of the best defensive bigs in the league (Stewart) as a direct comparison. He does stupid things a ton, and gets himself into foul trouble often. With that said, he is excellent with Cade, is only 21, has passing chops, and is a double double machine.
Klintman has rare qualities every team in the league covets. Shot-blocking three-point shooting PF. He is just coming off injury, and you just don't throw those players in any trade, unless its a big one, or until you've actually seen him play in the NBA. Pistons liked him so much, they signed him to a 4 year deal, as 2nd round pick.
Sasser is NOT a PG. I am willing to include him in any trade, for a real ball handler. He is a scorer, first and foremost.
I like McBride, but no one else in that deal, especially Sims. He is big, and tall, nothing else. Precious is the Dollar store version of Stewart. Dadiet has played so little, I have no opinion, nor do I asign any value.
I wouldn't trade Beasley for all of these players, as he is good for, and with Cade.
Counter offer: Precious and McBride for Duran and Sasser?
For the Pistons I would value Duren over Precious and McBride, don't really care about Sasser.
Duren is our starting center and though he makes boneheaded plays and has motor issues, hes been getter better and his upside is tremendous. For reference, I would consider this for Sexton and John Collins, but not Precious and McBride.
You had me until that last sentence...
That's a lot of money ...
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tester551 wrote:JRoy wrote:Pass for POR.
POR wants picks and youth not a very limited Precious.
Agreed.
However if Portland got Dadiet as a return in the trade, I'd pull the trigger on that.
Precious seems like a slight upgrade of Jabari Walker. I don’t think think Blazers swap Robert Williams for him.
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Unless a 1st or a young player of interest is coming POR way, then leave them out of it.
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zeebneeb wrote:I'll assume your addressing me, and its the archetype if I didn't make myself clear.Texas Chuck wrote:so if a prospect is on our roster but doesn't play, we couldn't possibly trade him without seeing him play (not sure this is true, but okay seems reasonable enough as a philosophy). But when a prospect picked higher on another team hasn't played it means he literally has no value.
I don't think your intention is to value players based on the front of the jersey, but positions like this sure make it sound that way.
Bobi Klintman is 6'8.75 without shoes, and with shoes at least an inch taller. That would make him almost, or at 6'10. Standing reach 8'10.5. Wingspan 6'11 212lbs.
Klintman is a three-point shooting, shot-blocking block 4 in the NBA, a much sought after archetype in the league. Much more so then a player such as Dadiet.
Potential value over potential value.
I have zero affection for Klitman, as he has played a grand total of 3 minutes in the NBA. This is based purely on potential of said archetype, and theoretical value.
Oh I get that you mentioned archetype. But again it just can't be we have two rookies who have not played, one picked higher than the other and one is borderline untouchable and the one picked higher having in your own words no value at all and your reasoning for having no value is he hasn't played.
I'm not saying you can't honestly value Klintman more than Dadiet. Ok. But what objectively cannot be the case is his trade value being significantly higher. The only way to reach that position is to value a player for already being a Piston. Because if we are talking archetype the word on Dadiet was prototype 3&D wing with you guessed it great size and length (6'11" wingspan--sound familiar?

That's all. Love your guys. I wish the little Mavs had young players I could love. But maybe don't set the value on the other guy to zero using the exact same reasoning you gave to increase the value to your guy?
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nykballa2k4 wrote:guldakot wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:
Counter offer: Precious and McBride for Duran and Sasser?
For the Pistons I would value Duren over Precious and McBride, don't really care about Sasser.
Duren is our starting center and though he makes boneheaded plays and has motor issues, hes been getter better and his upside is tremendous. For reference, I would consider this for Sexton and John Collins, but not Precious and McBride.
You had me until that last sentence...
That's a lot of money ...
In the OP McBride would play, but the rest of the trade is mostly JAGs.
Collins and Sexton would address DET's biggest needs of PF and backup PG, both now and carrying into next season, and play rotation minutes. They also look like potential fits in DET, and DET would have their bird rights to re-sign/extend.
We're $14M below the luxury tax line and can afford to take on a lot more salary. It would be worth it for 2 players of the talent level of Sexton and Collins. To make a legal trade bringing in roughly $45M in salary, we'd likely have to send out at least $31M -- but with Harris, THJ and Fontecchio and Moore we have a lot of options to get to that number.
Unfortunately, DET and UTA are really bad trade partners because they are the 2 teams that have major room to absorb unwanted contracts, and both want to leverage that advantage.
In a no-win argument, the first poster to Let It Go will at least retain some peace of mind
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