ATL - SAC - UTA

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Who says Yes/No?

They all say yes (fair trade)
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75%
ATL & SAC say yes / UTA says no
1
25%
ATL & UTA say yes / SAC says no
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No votes
ATL says yes / SAC & UTA say no
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No votes
SAC & UTA say yes / ATL says no
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No votes
SAC says yes / ATL & UTA say no
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UTA says yes / ATL & SAC say no
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They all say no
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ATL - SAC - UTA 

Post#1 » by bpcox05 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:59 am

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ATL GETS: Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected
ATL GIVES: Agrees that SAC no longer owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 SAC 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
WHY FOR ATL? When the Kings traded for Huerter, they gave ATL a protected 1st round pick. It has not conveyed yet and is top 12 protected in 2025 and top 10 protected in 2026. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2026, ATL gets SAC’s 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks as a consolation prize. With the Kings below .500 and currently not in the play-in picture, it’s possible that ATL could not end up with one of SAC’s 1sts (2025 or 2026). By changing the protection on the 2026 1st from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, it makes it a very high likelihood that ATL will receive a 1st from SAC. In order to improve their odds of having that 1st convey, ATL agrees to forgo their consolation prize of the 2026 & 2027 SAC 2nds.

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SAC Gets: John Collins, Patty Mills, & the removal of the stipulation that SAC owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, Jordan McLaughlin, Doug McDermott, Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, 2026 SAC 2nd, 2027 SAC 2nd, & 2029 SAC 2nd
Why for SAC? With Devin Carter back healthy, the Kings clear out their guard log jam by moving Huerter for some frontcourt. Collins gives the Kings some much needed size who can give them a bit of everything (scoring, shooting, rebounding, shot blocking, lob threat). This gives the Kings a very solid & balanced 9 man rotation of Fox, Monk, Ellis, Carter, DeRozan, Murray, Lyles, Collins, & Sabonis.

PG - Fox / Monk / Mills
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - DeRozan / Crowder
PF - Murray / Lyles
C - Sabonis / Collins / Len

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UTA GETS: Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, Jordan McLaughlin, Doug McDermott, 2026 SAC 2nd, 2027 SAC 2nd, & 2029 SAC 2nd
UTA GIVES: John Collins & Patty Mills
WHY FOR UTA? The Jazz cash in on Collins for 3 2nd round picks, Colby Jones, and a potential reclamation project in Huerter. This also opens up plenty of minutes for their young bigs (Hendricks, Filipowski, & Kessler) to continue to to develop. This trade forces UTA to cut 2 players from their roster but Eubanks and Mykahiliuk seem like great candidates considering they are both 27 (not really part of the rebuild), aren’t key contributors in the rotation today, and have unguaranteed contracts next year (meaning if they are cut, they won’t owe them any money next year).

PG - Sexton / Collier / McLaughlin
SG - George / Clarkson / Juzang / Jones
SF - Williams / Huerter / Sensabaugh
PF - Markkanen / Hendricks / McDermott
C - Kessler / Filipowski

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Re: ATL - SAC - UTA 

Post#2 » by SkyHook » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:58 am

Not my preferred scenario for Collins, but not horrible.
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Post#3 » by babyjax13 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:05 am

It's fine. As always, if another team would take Huerter so I don't have to watch him, that would be preferable.
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Post#4 » by bpcox05 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:21 am

SkyHook wrote:Not my preferred scenario for Collins, but not horrible.

What would be your preference?
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Post#5 » by SkyHook » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:45 am

bpcox05 wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Not my preferred scenario for Collins, but not horrible.

What would be your preference?


I'm one of the rare ones who would prefer to keep him long term, but I understand which way the wind is blowing. There was a proposal recently that had the Lakers unprotecting their 2027 FRP. That or a single late FRP rather than a smattering of seconds.
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Re: ATL - SAC - UTA 

Post#6 » by bpcox05 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:14 pm

SkyHook wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Not my preferred scenario for Collins, but not horrible.

What would be your preference?


I'm one of the rare ones who would prefer to keep him long term, but I understand which way the wind is blowing. There was a proposal recently that had the Lakers unprotecting their 2027 FRP. That or a single late FRP rather than a smattering of seconds.

Oof I know it’s already top 4 protected but unprotecting a pick for Collins seems steep/risky. Especially considering during the 2026-27 season, Davis will be 33-34 years old and LeBron will be 41-41 years old. Things could get ugly quickly with how old LeBron is getting and how much of an injury risk Davis is and could be at 33-34 years old.
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Post#7 » by SkyHook » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:04 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
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bpcox05 wrote:What would be your preference?


I'm one of the rare ones who would prefer to keep him long term, but I understand which way the wind is blowing. There was a proposal recently that had the Lakers unprotecting their 2027 FRP. That or a single late FRP rather than a smattering of seconds.

Oof I know it’s already top 4 protected but unprotecting a pick for Collins seems steep/risky. Especially considering during the 2026-27 season, Davis will be 33-34 years old and LeBron will be 41-41 years old. Things could get ugly quickly with how old LeBron is getting and how much of an injury risk Davis is and could be at 33-34 years old.


It's been a regular point of discussion on the board that unprotecting that first is equivalent value to a late first, specifically the 2025 Cavs FRP. That's about right for Collins at this point.
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Post#8 » by Dthrill55 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:55 pm

John Collins/Malik Monk pick and roll would be orgasmic
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Post#9 » by OGSactownballer » Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:38 pm

This is the first proposal I’ve seen you post that looks reasonable and of good balanced value and hey doesn’t involve Fox!
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Post#10 » by jayu70 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:46 pm

bpcox05 wrote:—————————

ATL GETS: Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected
ATL GIVES: Agrees that SAC no longer owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 SAC 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
WHY FOR ATL? When the Kings traded for Huerter, they gave ATL a protected 1st round pick. It has not conveyed yet and is top 12 protected in 2025 and top 10 protected in 2026. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2026, ATL gets SAC’s 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks as a consolation prize. With the Kings below .500 and currently not in the play-in picture, it’s possible that ATL could not end up with one of SAC’s 1sts (2025 or 2026). By changing the protection on the 2026 1st from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, it makes it a very high likelihood that ATL will receive a 1st from SAC. In order to improve their odds of having that 1st convey, ATL agrees to forgo their consolation prize of the 2026 & 2027 SAC 2nds.

Kings are currently .500 sitting at 20-20 and in the #9 Play-in spot.
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Re: ATL - SAC - UTA 

Post#11 » by bpcox05 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:09 pm

jayu70 wrote:
bpcox05 wrote:—————————

ATL GETS: Protections on 2026 SAC 1st changed from top 10 protected to top 4 protected
ATL GIVES: Agrees that SAC no longer owes ATL their 2026 & 2027 2nds if their 2026 SAC 1st doesn’t convey to ATL
WHY FOR ATL? When the Kings traded for Huerter, they gave ATL a protected 1st round pick. It has not conveyed yet and is top 12 protected in 2025 and top 10 protected in 2026. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2026, ATL gets SAC’s 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks as a consolation prize. With the Kings below .500 and currently not in the play-in picture, it’s possible that ATL could not end up with one of SAC’s 1sts (2025 or 2026). By changing the protection on the 2026 1st from top 10 protected to top 4 protected, it makes it a very high likelihood that ATL will receive a 1st from SAC. In order to improve their odds of having that 1st convey, ATL agrees to forgo their consolation prize of the 2026 & 2027 SAC 2nds.

Kings are currently .500 sitting at 20-20 and in the #9 Play-in spot.

Ah I just copied and pasted this wording from another trade I proposed a week or two ago so that’s a bit outdated.
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Re: ATL - SAC - UTA 

Post#12 » by bpcox05 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:15 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:This is the first proposal I’ve seen you post that looks reasonable and of good balanced value and hey doesn’t involve Fox!

I think you need to pay more attention to the trades I propose then and avoid jumping to conclusions based off 2 trade proposals you saw on 1 particular day.

I’ve posted 11 original trade threads involving the Kings this year. Only 2 of them include us trading Fox (the 2 you saw yesterday and got overly upset about). It’s a message board. Everything will be okay.

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