Too hot to Randle? Wolves/Heat/Wizards

[nykballa2k4]

In the wake of Randle appearing to sulk on the bench when he was sat for the 4th quarter -- lets overreact!

Wolves trade Randle DDV Ingles for Poole, Jonas, Jovic
Rationale: So downside first - taking on multi-year salary. However, coach seems to want a combo guard who can run the offense. DDV is more of a catch/shoot occasional ball handle type. Poole does what that coach seems to want. Replaces the 20 ppg from Randle. Jonas offers more size off the bench, Naz slides to starting PF (I believe they are high on him as a player anyhow, this is probably the post-randle plan) and Jovic is the primary backup forward. Playing with Anthony Edwards sounds like a nightmare, but if anyone can deal with an butthole of a teammate, Poole has shown he can take a hit.

Heat trade DRob, Rozier for Randle, DDV, Ingles
rationale: The Butler stuff is still swirling, but life goes on. DDV, IMO, resembled a more athletic Struss who clearly had success in Miami. Off-ball shooter, but that's okay since Herro is the primary ball handler and Bam is a playmaker in the post. Randle provides additional scoring and toughness. Also simultaniously increases both talent on the court AND cap space this summer as Butler and Randle can both opt out (80M+). Ingles is needed for cap reasons, but also is the type of role player that usually thrives in the Heat system.

Wizards trade Poole, Jonas for Rozier, Robinson
The big win for them is getting out of that 3rd year on Poole. Not losing any draft capital, not losing any real long-term asset. Just getting some flexibility. DRob obviously fits in as a shooter. Perhaps can be sent back out depending on the offer/situation. Rozier - same sort of deal. A solid 6th man type. Lakers a possible fit for comparable contact and SRP? One non-movable turns into two maybe movables.

[BowlRips]

As much as the wolves probably want to move Randle..
I can't see the net result of the KAT trade for them being tying themselves to Jordan Poole on his deal.
I think it's more likely we see them move Randle for true expiring money

[nykballa2k4]

As much as the wolves probably want to move Randle..
I can't see the net result of the KAT trade for them being tying themselves to Jordan Poole on his deal.
I think it's more likely we see them move Randle for true expiring money

Randle for pure cap requires a team to have 30M expiring (or combination of cap space and expiring) and be competitive enough to want RAndle for his choice of 1/2 seasons. IDK how that goes...

[TGW]

No incentive for the Wizards to do this. They don't need to move the last year of Poole's salary...they are already struggling to hit the salary floor as is. On top of it, Rozier and Robinson stink.

[nykballa2k4]

No incentive for the Wizards to do this. They don't need to move the last year of Poole's salary...they are already struggling to hit the salary floor as is. On top of it, Rozier and Robinson stink.

I mean, this doesn't change the salary this year or next year. I would hope that summer of 2026 (going into 26/27) that you guys would start to be in the "buyer" phase of the rebuild...

[winforlose]

In the wake of Randle appearing to sulk on the bench when he was sat for the 4th quarter -- lets overreact!

Wolves trade Randle DDV Ingles for Poole, Jonas, Jovic
Rationale: So downside first - taking on multi-year salary. However, coach seems to want a combo guard who can run the offense. DDV is more of a catch/shoot occasional ball handle type. Poole does what that coach seems to want. Replaces the 20 ppg from Randle. Jonas offers more size off the bench, Naz slides to starting PF (I believe they are high on him as a player anyhow, this is probably the post-randle plan) and Jovic is the primary backup forward. Playing with Anthony Edwards sounds like a nightmare, but if anyone can deal with an butthole of a teammate, Poole has shown he can take a hit.

Heat trade DRob, Rozier for Randle, DDV, Ingles
rationale: The Butler stuff is still swirling, but life goes on. DDV, IMO, resembled a more athletic Struss who clearly had success in Miami. Off-ball shooter, but that's okay since Herro is the primary ball handler and Bam is a playmaker in the post. Randle provides additional scoring and toughness. Also simultaniously increases both talent on the court AND cap space this summer as Butler and Randle can both opt out (80M+). Ingles is needed for cap reasons, but also is the type of role player that usually thrives in the Heat system.

Wizards trade Poole, Jonas for Rozier, Robinson
The big win for them is getting out of that 3rd year on Poole. Not losing any draft capital, not losing any real long-term asset. Just getting some flexibility. DRob obviously fits in as a shooter. Perhaps can be sent back out depending on the offer/situation. Rozier - same sort of deal. A solid 6th man type. Lakers a possible fit for comparable contact and SRP? One non-movable turns into two maybe movables.

There is literally no upside for the Wolves. DDV is not being traded for Poole. Poole is one of the worst contracts in the NBA and DDV is one of the best. Randle for JV and Jovic isn’t exactly good value either. This trade might be more acceptable with 2 or 3 unprotected firsts, but outside of that it is all downside with literally no upside for the Wolves. JV is old and slow and has no future with the Wolves. Jovic is interesting, but not at a position of need.

P.S if you redesign remove any positive value from Poole. He probably takes a first just to be willing to eat his money under the new CBA. Then ask why the Wolves cannot dump Randle next year as an expiring or let him opt out instead of taking bad players for him. Also ask yourself are the Wolves better without Randle and by adding whatever you insert. We are still very much in the playoff hunt, and Randle while a bad fit is having a great year.

[nykballa2k4]

In the wake of Randle appearing to sulk on the bench when he was sat for the 4th quarter -- lets overreact!

Wolves trade Randle DDV Ingles for Poole, Jonas, Jovic
Rationale: So downside first - taking on multi-year salary. However, coach seems to want a combo guard who can run the offense. DDV is more of a catch/shoot occasional ball handle type. Poole does what that coach seems to want. Replaces the 20 ppg from Randle. Jonas offers more size off the bench, Naz slides to starting PF (I believe they are high on him as a player anyhow, this is probably the post-randle plan) and Jovic is the primary backup forward. Playing with Anthony Edwards sounds like a nightmare, but if anyone can deal with an butthole of a teammate, Poole has shown he can take a hit.

Heat trade DRob, Rozier for Randle, DDV, Ingles
rationale: The Butler stuff is still swirling, but life goes on. DDV, IMO, resembled a more athletic Struss who clearly had success in Miami. Off-ball shooter, but that's okay since Herro is the primary ball handler and Bam is a playmaker in the post. Randle provides additional scoring and toughness. Also simultaniously increases both talent on the court AND cap space this summer as Butler and Randle can both opt out (80M+). Ingles is needed for cap reasons, but also is the type of role player that usually thrives in the Heat system.

Wizards trade Poole, Jonas for Rozier, Robinson
The big win for them is getting out of that 3rd year on Poole. Not losing any draft capital, not losing any real long-term asset. Just getting some flexibility. DRob obviously fits in as a shooter. Perhaps can be sent back out depending on the offer/situation. Rozier - same sort of deal. A solid 6th man type. Lakers a possible fit for comparable contact and SRP? One non-movable turns into two maybe movables.

There is literally no upside for the Wolves. DDV is not being traded for Poole. Poole is one of the worst contracts in the NBA and DDV is one of the best. Randle for JV and Jovic isn’t exactly good value either. This trade might be more acceptable with 2 or 3 unprotected firsts, but outside of that it is all downside with literally no upside for the Wolves. JV is old and slow and has no future with the Wolves. Jovic is interesting, but not at a position of need.

P.S if you redesign remove any positive value from Poole. He probably takes a first just to be willing to eat his money under the new CBA. Then ask why the Wolves cannot dump Randle next year as an expiring or let him opt out instead of taking bad players for him. Also ask yourself are the Wolves better without Randle and by adding whatever you insert. We are still very much in the playoff hunt, and Randle while a bad fit is having a great year.

Sort of the hot-take angle I was taking here has baked into it that there is a rift between player and team.
My POV is that Randle is positive value and is a legit all-star candidate every season.

I do think that Poole (contract aside) would be a good fit for the wolves. His skill set, to me, compliments Edwards and though his defense may be lackluster -- that's what you pay Gobert for.

[BBallFreak]

I don't see giving up Jovic for Randle. I would hope not, anyways. But I've never liked Randle.

[winforlose]

In the wake of Randle appearing to sulk on the bench when he was sat for the 4th quarter -- lets overreact!

Wolves trade Randle DDV Ingles for Poole, Jonas, Jovic
Rationale: So downside first - taking on multi-year salary. However, coach seems to want a combo guard who can run the offense. DDV is more of a catch/shoot occasional ball handle type. Poole does what that coach seems to want. Replaces the 20 ppg from Randle. Jonas offers more size off the bench, Naz slides to starting PF (I believe they are high on him as a player anyhow, this is probably the post-randle plan) and Jovic is the primary backup forward. Playing with Anthony Edwards sounds like a nightmare, but if anyone can deal with an butthole of a teammate, Poole has shown he can take a hit.

Heat trade DRob, Rozier for Randle, DDV, Ingles
rationale: The Butler stuff is still swirling, but life goes on. DDV, IMO, resembled a more athletic Struss who clearly had success in Miami. Off-ball shooter, but that's okay since Herro is the primary ball handler and Bam is a playmaker in the post. Randle provides additional scoring and toughness. Also simultaniously increases both talent on the court AND cap space this summer as Butler and Randle can both opt out (80M+). Ingles is needed for cap reasons, but also is the type of role player that usually thrives in the Heat system.

Wizards trade Poole, Jonas for Rozier, Robinson
The big win for them is getting out of that 3rd year on Poole. Not losing any draft capital, not losing any real long-term asset. Just getting some flexibility. DRob obviously fits in as a shooter. Perhaps can be sent back out depending on the offer/situation. Rozier - same sort of deal. A solid 6th man type. Lakers a possible fit for comparable contact and SRP? One non-movable turns into two maybe movables.

There is literally no upside for the Wolves. DDV is not being traded for Poole. Poole is one of the worst contracts in the NBA and DDV is one of the best. Randle for JV and Jovic isn’t exactly good value either. This trade might be more acceptable with 2 or 3 unprotected firsts, but outside of that it is all downside with literally no upside for the Wolves. JV is old and slow and has no future with the Wolves. Jovic is interesting, but not at a position of need.

P.S if you redesign remove any positive value from Poole. He probably takes a first just to be willing to eat his money under the new CBA. Then ask why the Wolves cannot dump Randle next year as an expiring or let him opt out instead of taking bad players for him. Also ask yourself are the Wolves better without Randle and by adding whatever you insert. We are still very much in the playoff hunt, and Randle while a bad fit is having a great year.

Sort of the hot-take angle I was taking here has baked into it that there is a rift between player and team.
My POV is that Randle is positive value and is a legit all-star candidate every season.

I do think that Poole (contract aside) would be a good fit for the wolves. His skill set, to me, compliments Edwards and though his defense may be lackluster -- that's what you pay Gobert for.

We traded for Rudy to help Karl. It was supposed to balance the offense and defense and it worked. We went from an emerging team to a WCF team when fully healthy. But Karl’s injury history and playoff ailments in back to back years scared off the front office. Rudy and Ant are a poor fit and now that Rudy’s money is more reasonable I expect us to move him next season. I think we build around a faster more spacing offense and a Thunder like defense with an emphasis on ball pressure. Poole is worth 6-8 million and being paid 22. Donte is worth 20 and being paid 12. You cannot replace one with the other, you just cannot. The Wolves are not getting better with Poole, Jovic, and JV. At best they get much worse while taking on bad money to do it and probably losing NAW in free agency. We would sooner send Randle home than take Poole.

[SA37]

I don't see giving up Jovic for Randle. I would hope not, anyways. But I've never liked Randle.

I think Miami considers this deal.

No idea if Riley still thinks as highly of Randle as he once did, but Riley does love a trade where he is getting the best player, and Miami certainly is getting far and away the best player in this deal. I also love Joe Ingles and think he must be such a fun teammate to have around.

That said, this really comes down to how much Miami values Jovic's upside.

Adebayo / Ware
Randle / Love
Highsmith / JJJ
DDV / Burks / Larsson
Herro / JJJ? / Richardson

[LightTheBeam]

Wiggins and Towns are gone, does Jimmy consider a re-union in Minnesota?

Rob, Mike, Julius for Jimmy?

[winforlose]

I don't see giving up Jovic for Randle. I would hope not, anyways. But I've never liked Randle.

I think Miami considers this deal.

No idea if Riley still thinks as highly of Randle as he once did, but Riley does love a trade where he is getting the best player, and Miami certainly is getting far and away the best player in this deal. I also love Joe Ingles and think he must be such a fun teammate to have around.

That said, this really comes down to how much Miami values Jovic's upside.

Adebayo / Ware
Randle / Love
Highsmith / JJJ
DDV / Burks / Larsson
Herro / JJJ? / Richardson

What about Jovic game makes him valuable? I don’t see him play much, this is a question as I don’t know the answer.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

I don't see giving up Jovic for Randle. I would hope not, anyways. But I've never liked Randle.

I think Miami considers this deal.

No idea if Riley still thinks as highly of Randle as he once did, but Riley does love a trade where he is getting the best player, and Miami certainly is getting far and away the best player in this deal. I also love Joe Ingles and think he must be such a fun teammate to have around.

That said, this really comes down to how much Miami values Jovic's upside.

Adebayo / Ware
Randle / Love
Highsmith / JJJ
DDV / Burks / Larsson
Herro / JJJ? / Richardson

What about Jovic game makes him valuable? I don’t see him play much, this is a question as I don’t know the answer.

I am not as high on Jovic as many other Heat fans are, but he has a high bball IQ and he's a good shooter. He's got point-forward skills and is agile/athletic for a 4, but not enough (imo) to guard SFs. I see him very much as the classic tweener SF/PF with hints of point guard, which Riley has always loved (Anthony Mason, Lamar Odom, Antoine Walker, Jamal Mashburn, Justise Winslow).

I think his absolute best-case scenario is he approaches peak Gallinari level.

[shrink]

Wiggins and Towns are gone, does Jimmy consider a re-union in Minnesota?

Rob, Mike, Julius for Jimmy?

MIN can’t aggregate salaries.

Jimmy is hated by MIN fans, and he knows it. Do you know how many times he has played in MIN since he was traded in 2018?

Twice.

We call him “General Soreness” because that’s what is always listed on the injury report for Jimmy before a game in MIN.

[SA37]

Wiggins and Towns are gone, does Jimmy consider a re-union in Minnesota?

Rob, Mike, Julius for Jimmy?

MIN can’t aggregate salaries.

Jimmy is hated by MIN fans, and he knows it. Do you know how many times he has played in MIN since he was traded in 2018?

Twice.

We call him “General Soreness” because that’s what is always listed on the injury report for Jimmy before a game in MIN.

[nate33]

No incentive for the Wizards to do this. They don't need to move the last year of Poole's salary...they are already struggling to hit the salary floor as is. On top of it, Rozier and Robinson stink.

I mean, this doesn't change the salary this year or next year. I would hope that summer of 2026 (going into 26/27) that you guys would start to be in the "buyer" phase of the rebuild...

The Wizards are the worst team in the league by a lot. And they will be the worst team in the league next year even if they land the #1 overall pick.

They Wizards will have a payroll of about $130M in 2026, even with Kuzma and Poole on the books. That gives them $40M in cap room already. And the fact is, no top tier max-caliber free agent is going to want to join the worst team in the league in 2026. I'd rather wait one more year when the team should really be turning the corner.

Free agency has been a sucker's bet for years now anyhow. Teams just don't let good players walk. At best, you end up overpaying a guy like VanVleet superstar money. The only way to obtain stars in their prime is through a trade. And in that scenario, the time to do it would be during the 2026-27 season using the expiring contract of Poole as filler, similar to how Cleveland traded for Donovan Mitchell.