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Thompson
Kleber
Powell
Exum
25 DAL 1st (top 4, then better of DEN/PHI 2nd)

for

Grant
Reath
Banton

Blazers get a lightly protected first out of Grant and shed some long-term money. And if there is still a team that would take Klay for an expiring, shed even more.

Mavs trust the Vegas guys will spend big and re-sign Grimes next year and trust Grant is still solid, just hates that he signed to play with Dame just to play meaningless basketball instead. Reath is emergency depth to replace Powell and Banton fights with Dinwiddie/Hardy for backup guard minutes. Have to play with 14 for now. But have been doing that essentially with Exum anyway.

Send Klay to LAL for Vincent, JHS, Wood (they can take back a small min there) just so Dallas does right by Klay? Everyone always points out that Dallas is trading Kay too early when I suggest them, so trade him to a place he will be as happy/happier than where he currently is..

Yes, that complicates the OP and changes nothing about the fair trade.

Portland gets a first and save long term money. Good, probably too good for them.

Dallas gets a starting forward that hopefully is magically healthy again once he is playing in games that matter.

Top ten protection on the pick seems more fair.

Yes for POR.

Think it's a bit of an overpay by Dallas, but the fit seems good. I think Portland could flip Klay for a different bad contract and get another small asset.

I like it. Also think protection should be higher. Maybe lotto protected that turns into both 2nds

At first I thought a 1st for Banton was kind of steep, then I saw Grant is in there to, so guess it makes it ok.
That aside, if motivation is problem - and it could very well be - pumped up Grant should be an upgrade over Klay, and I think Banton could play some backup SF with Marshall playing PF in stretches.

Texas Chuck wrote:Thompson
Kleber
Powell
Exum
25 DAL 1st (top 4, then better of DEN/PHI 2nd)

for

Grant
Reath
Banton

Blazers get a lightly protected first out of Grant and shed some long-term money. And if there is still a team that would take Klay for an expiring, shed even more.

Mavs trust the Vegas guys will spend big and re-sign Grimes next year and trust Grant is still solid, just hates that he signed to play with Dame just to play meaningless basketball instead. Reath is emergency depth to replace Powell and Banton fights with Dinwiddie/Hardy for backup guard minutes. Have to play with 14 for now. But have been doing that essentially with Exum anyway.

I would go for something like this... with 1 small changes.

Swap Exum (or Powell Exum) for OMax. This give Portland a little more youth to potentially develop.

End result would be:

Dallas - $33.7M
Thompson
Kleber
Powell
OMax
25 DAL 1st (top 4, then better of DEN/PHI 2nd)

for

Portland - $34.0M
Grant
Reath
Banton

Don't see Portland doing any better than this.

I also think Grant would look far better on a competent team with something to play for. He actually started off the year playing some really good defense and let the foot off the gas when it was clear there was no reason to here but I think he would make other teams miserable as a 3rd option in the playoffs. He is good enough that if he was the type of player to always play his best Portland would have no trouble with offers but I do think there is another level to his game that isn't showcased well in this hopeless situation.

Could this trade be simplified?

DAL is only $330k under the 1st apron
POR is $3.7mil under luxury tax threshold

Assuming both want to stay in those areas

Also, does DAL want to deal Klay away? I would think they would want to keep him? Gafford's name has come up as a player DAL would potentially be ok with dealing in the right trade and they have Washington\Lively

What about this

POR trades Grant\Banton (could be Walker or Reath, maybe even Murray)
for
Gafford\Kleber\Marshall + 25' 1st (lotto protected) - Currently pick is @ #18

POR would have to waive or trade a player - likely (1) of Banton\Reath\Walker - Reath could be dealt for a 2nd rounder (as per rumors)

By including (1) of Banton\Walker\Reath, DAL saves about $1mil more cushion under the 1st apron, POR can absorb the extra $1mil. If it was Murray it would only be $182k or so savings.

Gafford & Kleber expire after next season, Marshall the year after. Interesting thing about dealing for Gafford\Kleber is they would be a combined $25.4 off the books for POR next offseason, which just happens to coincide with Simons\RW3\Ayton & Thybulle, which is $88mil combined, meaning potentially $113mil off the books, that might be worth including Murray for.

It's a yes from this Portland fan.

Yeah, I'm totally down for the Blazers.

Yes as well, nicely done

Walton1one wrote:Could this trade be simplified?

DAL is only $330k under the 1st apron
POR is $3.7mil under luxury tax threshold

Assuming both want to stay in those areas

Also, does DAL want to deal Klay away? I would think they would want to keep him? Gafford's name has come up as a player DAL would potentially be ok with dealing in the right trade and they have Washington\Lively

What about this

POR trades Grant\Banton (could be Walker or Reath, maybe even Murray)
for
Gafford\Kleber\Marshall + 25' 1st (lotto protected) - Currently pick is @ #18

POR would have to waive or trade a player - likely (1) of Banton\Reath\Walker - Reath could be dealt for a 2nd rounder (as per rumors)

By including (1) of Banton\Walker\Reath, DAL saves about $1mil more cushion under the 1st apron, POR can absorb the extra $1mil. If it was Murray it would only be $182k or so savings.

Gafford & Kleber expire after next season, Marshall the year after. Interesting thing about dealing for Gafford\Kleber is they would be a combined $25.4 off the books for POR next offseason, which just happens to coincide with Simons\RW3\Ayton & Thybulle, which is $88mil combined, meaning potentially $113mil off the books, that might be worth including Murray for.

I don’t see how Grant can have this value. Klay inclusion is why Dallas needs to pay a first..

Gafford and Marshall are good value.

And Dallas doesn’t want to trade Gafford, but he’s their most valuable available decent sized salary. Even if he’s not very valuable.

That Walton counter feels like something Dallas couldn't consider based on talent and value.

The tester swap is closer, but the money is really tight for Dallas. Prosper might could come in for Exum, but not for Powell. But the other issue is most people even Blazer fans seem to think the value is right or slightly too good for Portland. This adds (not much, but a little) more value to Portland so seems unnecessary.

Texas Chuck wrote:That Walton counter feels like something Dallas couldn't consider based on talent and value.

The tester swap is closer, but the money is really tight for Dallas. Prosper might could come in for Exum, but not for Powell. But the other issue is most people even Blazer fans seem to think the value is right or slightly too good for Portland. This adds (not much, but a little) more value to Portland so seems unnecessary.

Agreed, don't need to hunt for added value in a young guy for Portland. Leave him there in case Dallas can or will send him out for more help elsewhere.

jayjaysee wrote:Send Klay to LAL for Vincent, JHS, Wood (they can take back a small min there) just so Dallas does right by Klay? Everyone always points out that Dallas is trading Kay too early when I suggest them, so trade him to a place he will be as happy/happier than where he currently is..

Yes, that complicates the OP and changes nothing about the fair trade.

Portland gets a first and save long term money. Good, probably too good for them.

Dallas gets a starting forward that hopefully is magically healthy again once he is playing in games that matter.

I like this suggestion of Klay going to LAL.

Would Lakers be willing to do
Klay + Powell <-> Vando + Christie

Maybe bring the Kings in too.

Something like this:

Dallas - $33.7M out $34.0M in
Thompson + Kleber + Powell + OMax + 25 DAL 1st (top 4, then better of DEN/PHI 2nd)
for
Grant + Reath + Banton


Lakers - $17.8M out $17.9M in
Vando + Christie
for
Thompson + Len


Kings - $18.9M out $22.0M in
Huerter + Len
for
Kleber + Thybulle


Blazers - $45.0M out $41.5M in
Grant + Banton + Reath + Thybulle + Walker[cut]
for
Huerter + Vando + Christie + Powell + OMax + 25 Dal 1st

tester551 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Send Klay to LAL for Vincent, JHS, Wood (they can take back a small min there) just so Dallas does right by Klay? Everyone always points out that Dallas is trading Kay too early when I suggest them, so trade him to a place he will be as happy/happier than where he currently is..

Yes, that complicates the OP and changes nothing about the fair trade.

Portland gets a first and save long term money. Good, probably too good for them.

Dallas gets a starting forward that hopefully is magically healthy again once he is playing in games that matter.

I like this suggestion of Klay going to LAL.

Would Lakers be willing to do
Klay + Powell <-> Vando + Christie

Maybe bring the Kings in too.

Something like this:

Dallas - $33.7M out $34.0M in
Thompson + Kleber + Powell + OMax + 25 DAL 1st (top 4, then better of DEN/PHI 2nd)
for
Grant + Reath + Banton


Lakers - $17.8M out $17.9M in
Vando + Christie
for
Thompson + Len


Kings - $18.9M out $22.0M in
Huerter + Len
for
Kleber + Thybulle


Blazers - $45.0M out $41.5M in
Grant + Banton + Reath + Thybulle + Walker[cut]
for
Huerter + Vando + Christie + Powell + OMax + 25 Dal 1st

I believe Laker fans here have been pretty happy with Christie. Doubt they'd go for this.

Texas Chuck wrote:That Walton counter feels like something Dallas couldn't consider based on talent and value.

The tester swap is closer, but the money is really tight for Dallas. Prosper might could come in for Exum, but not for Powell. But the other issue is most people even Blazer fans seem to think the value is right or slightly too good for Portland. This adds (not much, but a little) more value to Portland so seems unnecessary.

I am surprised, but ok. I guess I don't see why DAL would look to move off of Klay this fast, but if that is the case, I would gladly accept your original deal

I am pretty confident POR could find\flip Klay to another team for more assets

tester551 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Send Klay to LAL for Vincent, JHS, Wood (they can take back a small min there) just so Dallas does right by Klay? Everyone always points out that Dallas is trading Kay too early when I suggest them, so trade him to a place he will be as happy/happier than where he currently is..

Yes, that complicates the OP and changes nothing about the fair trade.

Portland gets a first and save long term money. Good, probably too good for them.

Dallas gets a starting forward that hopefully is magically healthy again once he is playing in games that matter.

I like this suggestion of Klay going to LAL.

Would Lakers be willing to do
Klay + Powell <-> Vando + Christie

Maybe bring the Kings in too.

Something like this:

Dallas - $33.7M out $34.0M in
Thompson + Kleber + Powell + OMax + 25 DAL 1st (top 4, then better of DEN/PHI 2nd)
for
Grant + Reath + Banton


Lakers - $17.8M out $17.9M in
Vando + Christie
for
Thompson + Len


Kings - $18.9M out $22.0M in
Huerter + Len
for
Kleber + Thybulle


Blazers - $45.0M out $41.5M in
Grant + Banton + Reath + Thybulle + Walker[cut]
for
Huerter + Vando + Christie + Powell + OMax + 25 Dal 1st

Don’t think LAL trades Christie to get out of Vando’s last year. That seems to be the only difference and I’d guess they just use Vincent and hope Vando comes back decent..

Another yep for the OG trade, TC...