76ers future

[winforlose]

So the 76ers are once again without Embiid. They are already at 24 losses and have a tough stretch coming up. If you assume that the 76ers are at best a 9-10 play in team and at worst tanking for their pick, where do they go from here? Embiid will be 31, has bad knees, and is not nearly as effective without the superstar whistle (playoffs.) PG is 34 turning 35 this May, and his game is not what it was. Maxey is on the rise, but is he a true #1 or his he more of a #2 to a true superstar? If you are the 76ers, how do you proceed this year and next year. Buyers, sellers, fire sale?

For me I think they need to look into moving PG now, and Embiid next offseason when he is trade eligible. I think building around Maxey is their future, but it could take a few years to be competitive again.

[cgf]

They should buy Oubre or Yabusele out so they can come play in the playoffs for us

[youngcrev]

Unless Embiid asks out, I don't think they go full blow up.

To me, it's still an interesting core if they can ever get everyone on the floor. But this season just seems completely snake bitten on that front, and a one year tank to add a top-5 pick makes it that much more interesting of a core.

If they find themselves completely buried after this really rough stretch, I could see them selling off some of the ancillary pieces like Yabusele (one of the few bright spots), Oubre, Drummond (if he ever gets on the floor and shows something), and maybe Caleb Martin (see Drummond).

Ducking the tax would probably be the bigger priority in that scenario than adding legitimate assets.

[winforlose]

Unless Embiid asks out, I don't think they go full blow up.

To me, it's still an interesting core if they can ever get everyone on the floor. But this season just seems completely snake bitten on that front, and a one year tank to add a top-5 pick makes it that much more interesting of a core.

If they find themselves completely buried after this really rough stretch, I could see them selling off some of the ancillary pieces like Yabusele (one of the few bright spots), Oubre, Drummond (if he ever gets on the floor and shows something), and maybe Caleb Martin (see Drummond).

Ducking the tax would probably be the bigger priority in that scenario than adding legitimate assets.

My understanding is they owe their pick unless it is top 6. At 15-24 they would pick 8 right now. Also, they only have a 26.3% according to tankathon to advance to 1-4. Worse still if another team with a worse record displaces them that can make it harder to land in the top 6. Are they bad enough to tank their way down or do they need to help the tank with some trades or “injuries,” to the top players?

[Skybox]

Curious as to what kind of trade market Embiid would have...obviously awesome player, but injuries and massive contract for 4 more years...I'd be nervous.

[winforlose]

Curious as to what kind of trade market Embiid would have...obviously awesome player, but injuries and massive contract for 4 more years...I'd be nervous.

A team like Houston or OKC makes the most sense to me. That said, it is a huge gamble, and they would probably load manage him a lot during the regular season. The key is having enough talent where he could be the #2 or #3 option and still succeed. Then come playoff time, he can try and be Embiid for all he is worth. That is how I would approach it anyway.

As for cost, if I was Philly I would want at least one blue chip and 4 firsts minimum, plus a couple swaps. Whether they get all that depends on his health to end the year and the health prognosis coming into next year.

[Skybox]

You'd have to have a lot of salary to match too...tricky and certainly risky.

I guess HOU could conceivably start with FVV's deal to build onto...If I were PHI, I'd listen - it's got to be gut-wrenching. If I'm HOU, I stay the course - once you're in on Embiid, you're tied to him and you sink or swim with him. HOU's got a lot of good things going on.

[youngcrev]

Unless Embiid asks out, I don't think they go full blow up.

To me, it's still an interesting core if they can ever get everyone on the floor. But this season just seems completely snake bitten on that front, and a one year tank to add a top-5 pick makes it that much more interesting of a core.

If they find themselves completely buried after this really rough stretch, I could see them selling off some of the ancillary pieces like Yabusele (one of the few bright spots), Oubre, Drummond (if he ever gets on the floor and shows something), and maybe Caleb Martin (see Drummond).

Ducking the tax would probably be the bigger priority in that scenario than adding legitimate assets.

My understanding is they owe their pick unless it is top 6. At 15-24 they would pick 8 right now. Also, they only have a 26.3% according to tankathon to advance to 1-4. Worse still if another team with a worse record displaces them that can make it harder to land in the top 6. Are they bad enough to tank their way down or do they need to help the tank with some trades or “injuries,” to the top players?

Shutting down Embiid completely alone might do it, but they could also find reasons for other guys not to play. Selling off Oubre/Yabusele would also be pretty effective. The depth is awful as is right now, so that would really push it.

[Godaddycurse]

Unless Embiid asks out, I don't think they go full blow up.

To me, it's still an interesting core if they can ever get everyone on the floor. But this season just seems completely snake bitten on that front, and a one year tank to add a top-5 pick makes it that much more interesting of a core.

If they find themselves completely buried after this really rough stretch, I could see them selling off some of the ancillary pieces like Yabusele (one of the few bright spots), Oubre, Drummond (if he ever gets on the floor and shows something), and maybe Caleb Martin (see Drummond).

Ducking the tax would probably be the bigger priority in that scenario than adding legitimate assets.

My understanding is they owe their pick unless it is top 6. At 15-24 they would pick 8 right now. Also, they only have a 26.3% according to tankathon to advance to 1-4. Worse still if another team with a worse record displaces them that can make it harder to land in the top 6. Are they bad enough to tank their way down or do they need to help the tank with some trades or “injuries,” to the top players?

Shutting down Embiid completely alone might do it, but they could also find reasons for other guys not to play. Selling off Oubre/Yabusele would also be pretty effective. The depth is awful as is right now, so that would really push it.

I have a hard time seeing them out tank the 7 teams ahead of them even with embiid out

[Decipher]

Curious as to what kind of trade market Embiid would have...obviously awesome player, but injuries and massive contract for 4 more years...I'd be nervous.

A team like Houston or OKC makes the most sense to me. That said, it is a huge gamble, and they would probably load manage him a lot during the regular season. The key is having enough talent where he could be the #2 or #3 option and still succeed. Then come playoff time, he can try and be Embiid for all he is worth. That is how I would approach it anyway.

As for cost, if I was Philly I would want at least one blue chip and 4 firsts minimum, plus a couple swaps. Whether they get all that depends on his health to end the year and the health prognosis coming into next year.

I don’t think OKC needs to as they already have Holmgren/Hartenstein and could get another big for much cheaper than Embiid

Also need to consider that Embiid isn’t the easiest to play with and they would need to change things up to get the best out of him

Why bother?

[Skybox]

Curious as to what kind of trade market Embiid would have...obviously awesome player, but injuries and massive contract for 4 more years...I'd be nervous.

A team like Houston or OKC makes the most sense to me. That said, it is a huge gamble, and they would probably load manage him a lot during the regular season. The key is having enough talent where he could be the #2 or #3 option and still succeed. Then come playoff time, he can try and be Embiid for all he is worth. That is how I would approach it anyway.

As for cost, if I was Philly I would want at least one blue chip and 4 firsts minimum, plus a couple swaps. Whether they get all that depends on his health to end the year and the health prognosis coming into next year.

I don’t think OKC needs to as they already have Holmgren/Hartenstein and could get another big for much cheaper than Embiid

Also need to consider that Embiid isn’t the easiest to play with and they would need to change things up to get the best out of him

Why bother?

I wouldn't...just like Zion...I'd just look elsewhere before I'd invest that much for that long with so many questions. Embiid is certainly MVP/HOF level, but he's falling apart - so many different maladies one after another.

[chrbal]

Once the sixers shut down Embiid and George, they’ll probably be able to keep their pick. See what, if anything worthwhile, you can get for Lowry, Martin, Drummond, and Yabusele.

Bring in/up some young guys to see if they can develop/discover a player or two. Start fresh next season

[winforlose]

A team like Houston or OKC makes the most sense to me. That said, it is a huge gamble, and they would probably load manage him a lot during the regular season. The key is having enough talent where he could be the #2 or #3 option and still succeed. Then come playoff time, he can try and be Embiid for all he is worth. That is how I would approach it anyway.

As for cost, if I was Philly I would want at least one blue chip and 4 firsts minimum, plus a couple swaps. Whether they get all that depends on his health to end the year and the health prognosis coming into next year.

I don’t think OKC needs to as they already have Holmgren/Hartenstein and could get another big for much cheaper than Embiid

Also need to consider that Embiid isn’t the easiest to play with and they would need to change things up to get the best out of him

Why bother?

I wouldn't...just like Zion...I'd just look elsewhere before I'd invest that much for that long with so many questions. Embiid is certainly MVP/HOF level, but he's falling apart - so many different maladies one after another.

If OKC had a healthy SGA, Jalen Williams, and Embiid in the playoffs, they would be heavily favored to win it all. But yes it probably costs Chet and picks, and that is a huge risk if you don’t get that healthy Embiid. But OKC’s future is complicated by upcoming salary and their window isn’t as wide open as people think. SGA is gonna want a super max. Chet and JW will want Rookie maxes, and a lot of young players will need to be paid. I am not saying OKC is desperate or should do something stupid. I am saying that if they internally believe Embiid gets them a chip, that is hard to pass up.

[Devilanche]

I don’t think OKC needs to as they already have Holmgren/Hartenstein and could get another big for much cheaper than Embiid

Also need to consider that Embiid isn’t the easiest to play with and they would need to change things up to get the best out of him

Why bother?

I wouldn't...just like Zion...I'd just look elsewhere before I'd invest that much for that long with so many questions. Embiid is certainly MVP/HOF level, but he's falling apart - so many different maladies one after another.

If OKC had a healthy SGA, Jalen Williams, and Embiid in the playoffs, they would be heavily favored to win it all. But yes it probably costs Chet and picks, and that is a huge risk if you don’t get that healthy Embiid. But OKC’s future is complicated by upcoming salary and their window isn’t as wide open as people think. SGA is gonna want a super max. Chet and JW will want Rookie maxes, and a lot of young players will need to be paid. I am not saying OKC is desperate or should do something stupid. I am saying that if they internally believe Embiid gets them a chip, that is hard to pass up.

Betting on a healthy Embiid during the playoff sounds like a very desperate move.

[youngcrev]

My understanding is they owe their pick unless it is top 6. At 15-24 they would pick 8 right now. Also, they only have a 26.3% according to tankathon to advance to 1-4. Worse still if another team with a worse record displaces them that can make it harder to land in the top 6. Are they bad enough to tank their way down or do they need to help the tank with some trades or “injuries,” to the top players?

Shutting down Embiid completely alone might do it, but they could also find reasons for other guys not to play. Selling off Oubre/Yabusele would also be pretty effective. The depth is awful as is right now, so that would really push it.

I have a hard time seeing them out tank the 7 teams ahead of them even with embiid out

Not sure. I don't think Portland is trying to lose games. New Orleans might put some wins up as they get guys back. The Nets are close, but they've been tanking harder for longer.

There's also the matter of the possibility that they get into that bottom 6 in the standings and still not keep the pick by getting pushed back from the lottery.

[OutsidetheNBA]

Shutting down Embiid completely alone might do it, but they could also find reasons for other guys not to play. Selling off Oubre/Yabusele would also be pretty effective. The depth is awful as is right now, so that would really push it.

I have a hard time seeing them out tank the 7 teams ahead of them even with embiid out

Not sure. I don't think Portland is trying to lose games. New Orleans might put some wins up as they get guys back. The Nets are close, but they've been tanking harder for longer.

There's also the matter of the possibility that they get into that bottom 6 in the standings and still not keep the pick by getting pushed back from the lottery.

Agree. New Orleans, Portland, and the Raptors all have enough talent to beat other bad teams and have either a GM or a coach (or both) who might think they need to show on-court progress to keep their job.

If the Sixers commit to a tank this year -- shutdown Embiid and trade George or 2-3 of Martin/Martin/Drummond/Oubre/Gordon -- I think they can easily get to the 6th worst record.

[tsarcast]

I think we gotta put up the clippers unprotected and see if okc will give us our pick back. It kinda makes sense for OKC, kick one of their 5 1st this year down the road for one with even less protections on it. problem being the sixers 1st now might be the best of the 5 this year.

sixers would still have 2 future 1st and the clippers swap to trade with in the summer. The downside of failing just short either direction the team takes this season(tanking to 6th worse or keep chasing the play-in) are just so devastating. See if we can pull a mini-brooklyn and get the pick back and just let the chips fall where they may. Reload next year with either a lottery pick/mcain/maxey and hopefully rested old stars or do a big trade in the summer.

[axeman23]

Maybe Brooklyn would send PHI back Simmons for Embiid and the 29 1st...

[Devilanche]

I think we gotta put up the clippers unprotected and see if okc will give us our pick back. It kinda makes sense for OKC, kick one of their 5 1st this year down the road for one with even less protections on it. problem being the sixers 1st now might be the best of the 5 this year.

sixers would still have 2 future 1st and the clippers swap to trade with in the summer. The downside of failing just short either direction the team takes this season(tanking to 6th worse or keep chasing the play-in) are just so devastating. See if we can pull a mini-brooklyn and get the pick back and just let the chips fall where they may. Reload next year with either a lottery pick/mcain/maxey and hopefully rested old stars or do a big trade in the summer.

That Utah first probably will nvr convey . Not sure if OKC will rather punt for that 2028 LAC first or just wait out for the Philly first and see where it lands . Players wise only somewhat interesting player that Philly have and may move are yabu and oubre , but both are probably available only for one playoff.

[GutUNC]

I have a hard time seeing them out tank the 7 teams ahead of them even with embiid out

Not sure. I don't think Portland is trying to lose games. New Orleans might put some wins up as they get guys back. The Nets are close, but they've been tanking harder for longer.

There's also the matter of the possibility that they get into that bottom 6 in the standings and still not keep the pick by getting pushed back from the lottery.

Agree. New Orleans, Portland, and the Raptors all have enough talent to beat other bad teams and have either a GM or a coach (or both) who might think they need to show on-court progress to keep their job.

If the Sixers commit to a tank this year -- shutdown Embiid and trade George or 2-3 of Martin/Martin/Drummond/Oubre/Gordon -- I think they can easily get to the 6th worst record.

And posting the 6th worst record probably gives a less then 50% chance the pick doesn't convey.