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King of Cam Alot 

Post#1 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:29 pm

Kings get Cam Johnson and Day'Ron Sharpe

Nets get Kevin Huerter, Keegan Murray, 1st round pick

Kings outbid the Pacers who are reluctant to trade Jarace Walker or picks. The Kings include both a comparable prospect and 1st round pick, while adding C2 for playoff push with Cam.
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Post#2 » by Pelon chingon » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:49 pm

This is not a thing.
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Post#3 » by bpcox05 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:38 pm

I have Murray worth more than Cam Johnson so this is a significant overpay for the Kings.
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Post#4 » by NW » Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:50 pm

If the Nets are determined to get a Jarace Walker/Keegan Murray like prospect for Cam Johnson, my guess is Cam Johnson remains a Net.
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Post#5 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:23 pm

NW wrote:If the Nets are determined to get a Jarace Walker/Keegan Murray like prospect for Cam Johnson, my guess is Cam Johnson remains a Net.


How about Mathurin?
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Post#6 » by LightTheBeam » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:38 pm

My offer for cam is a 1st + a 2nd. No Carter, no Keegan. If that doesn't work it doesn't work. Trading Keegan alone for cam is off the table.
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Post#7 » by BoogieTime » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:23 am

The wiretap/marc stein says we are giving up one pick, and that’s value says
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Post#8 » by Xman » Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:50 am

Sac gets cam for huerter, lyles, first (2028 protected 10/8/6/2nds), sac 2026 2nd.
Bkn gets lyles, nnaji, saric, vancar or similar low filler, and picks (den 2031 first, sac 2028 first) for cam, seconds (2028 Memphis, 2029 Dallas, 2026 Denver, 2030 Denver, 2026 sac 2nd).
Denver gets huerter, seconds () for nnaji, saric, vancar, den 2031 first.

Bkn gets two firsts but gives seconds. Denver gets shooter and reloads seconds for a first.
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Post#9 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:08 am

bpcox05 wrote:I have Murray worth more than Cam Johnson so this is a significant overpay for the Kings.



Murray IS worth significantly more than Cam.


Where are these pie in the sky Cam valuations/dreams coming from? The specific reported offer that is the “benchmark to beat” (per Fischer) is Huerter/Lyles/future 1st. Absolutely no way that Sacramento is just throwing Keegan Murray on top of that.
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Post#10 » by JKiddy » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:51 am

I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....
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Post#11 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:01 am

JKiddy wrote:I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....



Of course.

But, it’s also very bold to cite a reporter/report to say the Kings/Pacers are interested and lean hard into it, but then to go directly against the same reporter/report because you don’t like what they suggest your return might realistically be. Which is it? Do we accept the reporting or no? Or do we just take the part of the reporting we want to take?

We reportedly know Brooklyn wants 2 1sts. We know they haven’t traded Cam yet. We can infer that no one is offering 2 1sts, because if they were, Cam would already be traded? So maybe Huerter/Lyles/future 1st IS the leading offer? We absolutely can’t know.
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Post#12 » by OxAndFox » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:13 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
JKiddy wrote:I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....



Of course.

But, it’s also very bold to cite a reporter/report to say the Kings/Pacers are interested and lean hard into it, but then to go directly against the same reporter/report because you don’t like what they suggest your return might realistically be. Which is it? Do we accept the reporting or no? Or do we just take the part of the reporting we want to take?

We reportedly know Brooklyn wants 2 1sts. We know they haven’t traded Cam yet. We can infer that no one is offering 2 1sts, because if they were, Cam would already be traded? So maybe Huerter/Lyles/future 1st IS the leading offer? We absolutely can’t know.


I mean, that seems likely and reasonable.
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Post#13 » by JKiddy » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:19 am

I honestly hope this is the best offer. I much prefer Cam to stay on BK. I think it'll be exactly what we need a year from now. Why trade a 28 year old 50/40/90 best 3rd or 4th option in the league on a great contract who can fit in with any team? He is already playing well here, keep him BK!!!!
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Post#14 » by The Beam King » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:32 am

JKiddy wrote:I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....


I think you squeeze a 2nd rounder in there and change out Lyles for low end prospect like Colby Jones and filler and you have your deal.

Trading out a core piece for Cam Johnson is a non starter
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Post#15 » by Decipher » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:13 am

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
JKiddy wrote:I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....


I think you squeeze a 2nd rounder in there and change out Lyles for low end prospect like Colby Jones and filler and you have your deal.

Trading out a core piece for Cam Johnson is a non starter


Why would Brooklyn do it when they’re under no pressure to trade?
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Post#16 » by Jkam31 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:47 am

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Post#17 » by JKiddy » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:52 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
JKiddy wrote:I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....


I think you squeeze a 2nd rounder in there and change out Lyles for low end prospect like Colby Jones and filler and you have your deal.

Trading out a core piece for Cam Johnson is a non starter


So let me get this straight, you believe that Cam Johnson will be traded for Colby Jones and Kevin Huerter with 1 1st and 1 2nd round pick correct? Colby Jones is the hot 1st round prospect everyone wants so this would be a fair deal correct?
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Post#18 » by bpcox05 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:27 pm

JKiddy wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
JKiddy wrote:I do not think that is the true offer out there. It is pretty garbage. I would not think a franchise would truly embarrass themselves for future dealings with such a low ball offer that they would push to put out in public. Dealings like this are more private because its only a few days until the deadline. Do not believe everything you read....


I think you squeeze a 2nd rounder in there and change out Lyles for low end prospect like Colby Jones and filler and you have your deal.

Trading out a core piece for Cam Johnson is a non starter


So let me get this straight, you believe that Cam Johnson will be traded for Colby Jones and Kevin Huerter with 1 1st and 1 2nd round pick correct? Colby Jones is the hot 1st round prospect everyone wants so this would be a fair deal correct?

I think the max I’d be willing to offer Cam Johnson (who would be our 5th best player at best and 7th best player at worst) would be…

Kevin Huerter
Trey Lyles
Colby Jones
Future SAC 1st (Protected 11-30 in 2026; otherwise, unprotected 2 years after the pick conveys to ATL)
2029 SAC 2nd

for

Cam Johnson
Day’Ron Sharpe


The Nets get a valuable 1st that will either be a top 10 pick in 2026 or an unprotected 1st in either the 2027 or 2028 draft. With Fox’s future unknown and knowing how brutal the west is, that has a solid chance of being a lottery pick. And with the pick being unprotected, BKN adds to their odds of landing a top 4 pick. They also get Colby Jones (who I have as worth a 2nd) and another future 2nd to further add to their assets.

If BKN doesn’t want to give up Johnson for that type of package, that’s fine. We’ll look elsewhere, but again, I think it would be unwise for SAC to pay two 1sts for someone who would be your 5th-7th best player and likely not even be in the starting lineup.
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Post#19 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:50 pm

I now believe the Nets have drawn a line in the sand, and will demand 2 firsts or else keep Cam Johnson. I believe they'd take 1 1st if a partner offers a prospect Nets value as a 1st (in addition to 1 first round pick).

For the Kings, I consider that prospect either Keegan Murray or Keon Ellis.

Nets would keep Cam if the Kings walk away. But I believe the Kings are most likely to pay the premium. The owner is antsy, and has been described as competitive. They just ate a bunch of money to remove their coach.

A few teams sandwiched around the Kings in the West like the Warriors (Shröder), Suns (Richards), Lakers (DFS) have already made moves to improve their rosters as they battle for position.

Seeds 6-12 are wide open.

The bottom half of playoff teams in the West are already looking like the site of high trade activity. It's where the action is at.

So if even the Kings who I consider most likely to pay a premium for Cam are unwilling to meet the price, I believe Nets will simply hold.

They are the 6 slot in the lottery. Their tank is not in jeopardy. It's thriving. Plenty of movable pieces to engage a larger market for Cam.

Nets can, and will, play hardball.

Kings meanwhile are only watching the teams around them get better. That's never fun in a race so tight.
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Post#20 » by drchaos » Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:07 pm

If teams don't want to pay up at the trade deadline the Nets might just use Cam to move up from the Rockets or Knicks pick to the lottery on draft day.

I understand the feeding frenzy for the top 5-8 guys but after that a team might be willing to move down a bit if Cam can start for them.

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