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Detroit has signaled that they want to make minor improvements. Jaden Ivey is gone for the season, and they need a boost in the backcourt with some veteran toughness.


Toronto is clearly shopping Bruce Brown. Brown played previously for Detroit, and they can absorb his salary. In this case, Toronto will need to settle for a couple of bench prospects.


Bruce Brown
for
Simon Fontechio & Bobi Klintman (recent 2nd rounder)



Raptors can use some forwards. They get a couple of them here. Detroit gets the help they want to win a playoff round, and maybe they will sign Brown back.

Detroit shouldn't be taking on any salary at the trade deadline for less than a FRP. It might be an overpay, but supply and demand. Not to mention Brown has played a whopping 164 minutes this season and we don't need another wing who can't shoot. We're already trying to develop two of those. I'd rather they get the minutes.

I follow both teams. They are not good trading partners for the most part because they are mostly offering the same thing (financial relief) and want a lot of the same things (players/picks to add to core)

The Pistons would want to get paid to take on Bruce's contract, and TOR would be nuts to cooperate

oldncreaky wrote:I follow both teams. They are not good trading partners for the most part because they are mostly offering the same thing (financial relief) and want a lot of the same things (players/picks to add to core)

The Pistons would want to get paid to take on Bruce's contract, and TOR would be nuts to cooperate

If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

MessiahUjiri wrote:If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Pistons could absorb a contract outright for no additional pay as long as they feel it's a worthwhile long term gamble. Brown clearly isn't it, if they want him they can still get him in free agency later on without the need to give away their current cap space.

wemby wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Pistons could absorb a contract outright for no additional pay as long as they feel it's a worthwhile long term gamble. Brown clearly isn't it, if they want him they can still get him in free agency later on without the need to give away their current cap space.

They can’t absorb him unless they send out some salary, per espn and fanspo trade machine.

Fontechio is basically filler salary, and Klintman is the small incentive for the Raps.

The whole idea is not to make a big long term purchase here, they want to be a minor buyer for this years playoff run, and they get to do that without sacrificing any core players or picks.

I don’t see why Brown has value right now. The opportunity cost. Not worth it for Detroit.

(I don’t think there’s a first round pick available for cap space this trade deadline. But there’s more than the OP.)

MessiahUjiri wrote:

wemby wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Pistons could absorb a contract outright for no additional pay as long as they feel it's a worthwhile long term gamble. Brown clearly isn't it, if they want him they can still get him in free agency later on without the need to give away their current cap space.

They can’t absorb him unless they send out some salary, per espn and fanspo trade machine.

Fontechio is basically filler salary, and Klintman is the small incentive for the Raps.

The whole idea is not to make a big long term purchase here, they want to be a minor buyer for this years playoff run, and they get to do that without sacrificing any core players or picks.

This deal has them absorbing 14 million in cap space which they can no longer sell to someone else. That's equivalent to paying for a rental of Bruce Brown, which isn't the smartest course of action for a team in their position.

MessiahUjiri wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:I follow both teams. They are not good trading partners for the most part because they are mostly offering the same thing (financial relief) and want a lot of the same things (players/picks to add to core)

The Pistons would want to get paid to take on Bruce's contract, and TOR would be nuts to cooperate

If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Enough with yelling BUYERS and SELLERS. On every trade, a team is both buying something, and selling something. This TDL, both TOR and DET are mainly offering financial relief alongside OKish players with expiring contracts.

Brown is a bench wing who provides decent D and some level of shooting and ball movement, but who has negative trade value because he's paid about twice what he'd get if he was a FA. I'm not sure if I like Tec more than Brown, but whoever makes more impact on the court is not a huge difference anyway, so I'd probably not mess with the chemistry.

Detroit's needs are (1) backup PG (2) long-term PF (3) draft assets. Brown fills none of these. If Brown filled a position of need, Pistons might use their cap space on him. But he doesn't, so they won't.

I really thought this was going to be Davion Mitchell for Wendell Moore Jr.

Raptors move on from Mitchell and set up a different trade by trimming some money.

Pistons take a look at Davion

That’s a minor move, this is an odd use of cap space for Detroit. While Toronto steals Detroit’s ability to absorb contracts for assets

oldncreaky wrote:I follow both teams. They are not good trading partners for the most part because they are mostly offering the same thing (financial relief) and want a lot of the same things (players/picks to add to core)

The Pistons would want to get paid to take on Bruce's contract, and TOR would be nuts to cooperate

Lots of speculation that Detroit, given their success this year, will become buyers. Using their cap space along with some modest assets to acquire someone like Brown to bolster their postseason chances seems at least as likely as simply taking on bad salary for picks. We'll see.

oldncreaky wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:I follow both teams. They are not good trading partners for the most part because they are mostly offering the same thing (financial relief) and want a lot of the same things (players/picks to add to core)

The Pistons would want to get paid to take on Bruce's contract, and TOR would be nuts to cooperate

If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Enough with yelling BUYERS and SELLERS. On every trade, a team is both buying something, and selling something. This TDL, both TOR and DET are mainly offering financial relief alongside OKish players with expiring contracts.

Brown is a bench wing who provides decent D and some level of shooting and ball movement, but who has negative trade value because he's paid about twice what he'd get if he was a FA. I'm not sure if I like Tec more than Brown, but whoever makes more impact on the court is not a huge difference anyway, so I'd probably not mess with the chemistry.

Detroit's needs are (1) backup PG (2) long-term PF (3) draft assets. Brown fills none of these. If Brown filled a position of need, Pistons might use their cap space on him. But he doesn't, so they won't.

Its laughable that you don’t have the ability to differentiate between buyers and sellers. Yes every team sells and buys in a trade, but there is clearly a difference between buying wins, and cashing out an asset. To pretend otherwise means you have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you don’t think pistons are thinking about replacing Iveys minutes, and don’t think they’re scouting the market for a cheap playoff boost, you’re living in a different world than what is being reported.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10151360-nba-rumors-pistons-considering-becoming-buyers-at-2025-trade-deadline

Pistons are not gonna move Klintman, for a 6th man, and throw in a PF shooter. Klintman has to much possible upside, at a position, that is incredibly difficult to fill. A three-point shooting, shot-blocking PF. There is a reason the Pistons signed a second round pick to a 4 year deal.

The value is NOT equal. Toronto pays to trade with Detroit, thus not good trading partners.

I'm not sure why Toronto is gaining incentive to save as much as they are this year, even with Simone having an additional one. I mean, is Brown even an upgrade to Tech at this point?

I don’t see any way Detroit does something like this. Bruce Brown hasn’t been playable for two years (and I’m a Raptors fan). We’re not going to get positive assets for him unless we take a bad contract.

Trading for an expiring contract doesn’t make any sense for the Pistons. Even if they are looking to win, and therefore “buyers”, it’s not for this year.

MessiahUjiri wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Enough with yelling BUYERS and SELLERS. On every trade, a team is both buying something, and selling something. This TDL, both TOR and DET are mainly offering financial relief alongside OKish players with expiring contracts.

Brown is a bench wing who provides decent D and some level of shooting and ball movement, but who has negative trade value because he's paid about twice what he'd get if he was a FA. I'm not sure if I like Tec more than Brown, but whoever makes more impact on the court is not a huge difference anyway, so I'd probably not mess with the chemistry.

Detroit's needs are (1) backup PG (2) long-term PF (3) draft assets. Brown fills none of these. If Brown filled a position of need, Pistons might use their cap space on him. But he doesn't, so they won't.

Its laughable that you don’t have the ability to differentiate between buyers and sellers. Yes every team sells and buys in a trade, but there is clearly a difference between buying wins, and cashing out an asset. To pretend otherwise means you have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you don’t think pistons are thinking about replacing Iveys minutes, and don’t think they’re scouting the market for a cheap playoff boost, you’re living in a different world than what is being reported.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10151360-nba-rumors-pistons-considering-becoming-buyers-at-2025-trade-deadline

It’s crazy that you think the Pistons are going to use up their cap space on a rental, trade a frontcourt player when they need frontcourt depth, and trade a small asset in Klintman to do so because of a bleacher report article

Toronto owes value here. Bruce Brown is awful

chrbal wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:
Enough with yelling BUYERS and SELLERS. On every trade, a team is both buying something, and selling something. This TDL, both TOR and DET are mainly offering financial relief alongside OKish players with expiring contracts.

Brown is a bench wing who provides decent D and some level of shooting and ball movement, but who has negative trade value because he's paid about twice what he'd get if he was a FA. I'm not sure if I like Tec more than Brown, but whoever makes more impact on the court is not a huge difference anyway, so I'd probably not mess with the chemistry.

Detroit's needs are (1) backup PG (2) long-term PF (3) draft assets. Brown fills none of these. If Brown filled a position of need, Pistons might use their cap space on him. But he doesn't, so they won't.

Its laughable that you don’t have the ability to differentiate between buyers and sellers. Yes every team sells and buys in a trade, but there is clearly a difference between buying wins, and cashing out an asset. To pretend otherwise means you have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you don’t think pistons are thinking about replacing Iveys minutes, and don’t think they’re scouting the market for a cheap playoff boost, you’re living in a different world than what is being reported.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10151360-nba-rumors-pistons-considering-becoming-buyers-at-2025-trade-deadline

It’s crazy that you think the Pistons are going to use up their cap space on a rental, trade a frontcourt player when they need frontcourt depth, and trade a small asset in Klintman to do so because of a bleacher report article

Let alone, a blog post based on what Jeff Fisher said.

ejftw wrote:

chrbal wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

Its laughable that you don’t have the ability to differentiate between buyers and sellers. Yes every team sells and buys in a trade, but there is clearly a difference between buying wins, and cashing out an asset. To pretend otherwise means you have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you don’t think pistons are thinking about replacing Iveys minutes, and don’t think they’re scouting the market for a cheap playoff boost, you’re living in a different world than what is being reported.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10151360-nba-rumors-pistons-considering-becoming-buyers-at-2025-trade-deadline

It’s crazy that you think the Pistons are going to use up their cap space on a rental, trade a frontcourt player when they need frontcourt depth, and trade a small asset in Klintman to do so because of a bleacher report article

Let alone, a blog post based on what Jeff Fisher said.

You clearly don’t follow the Pistons news mill close enough. This is not just a single source.




Even the Pistons talk pod has been buzzing about it:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

wemby wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:If you watch both teams, you would know that Pistons are looking at being BUYERS this year, and they can absorb contracts without giving much up.

The Raptors are looking to be SELLERS. They have a bunch of expiring vets.

It’s not the same. In this trade, the Pistons use their cap space to fill a position of need, by sending out a couple of bench guys. Browns contract expires this year, and there is zero impact to their cap space next year.

Pistons could absorb a contract outright for no additional pay as long as they feel it's a worthwhile long term gamble. Brown clearly isn't it, if they want him they can still get him in free agency later on without the need to give away their current cap space.

Fontechio is basically filler salary, and Klintman is the small incentive for the Raps.
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The large immediate tax room/cash savings is already too much value for Bruce. Really doubt they get a recent 2nd like Klintman on top of that.

As it is, I have Toronto owing some value here to do Bruce for Fontecchio straight up. I also don’t know that Detroit would do that straight up as Fontecchio’s long range shooting is quite useful to Detroit, as they’ve seemed to succeed by basically ok playing multiple long range shooters around Cade at all times.