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Kings deal: Kevin Huerter, 2029 2nd round pick
Wizard deal: Valanciunas, Bey

Why for Kings: Balance their roster and add depth.

Why for Wiz: save long money by shedding year off huerter contract and add a future draft asset

Don’t see why they trade Bey this year but I’d rather get Kispert we need shooting

Don't want Jval but I guess it gets Huerter gone.

Collins or bust!

Not where my priority is, but if everything else falls through, sure. Don't think there's sufficient incentive for Washington though, and I don't think I'd care to add it.

LightTheBeam wrote:Don't want Jval but I guess it gets Huerter gone.

Collins or bust!

I think Collins is the ideal fit for us as well, but I have heard on multiple podcast/radio shows that John Collins isn't really available without a serious over pay. Danny Ainge likes to play games and string teams along.

With the reports that the kings aren't willing to meet the Nets asking price for Cam Johnson and John Collins being unlikely I think our best option is a trade with the wizards.

We could get both Valanciunas and Kuzma in a deal:

Heurter, Lyles, Mcloughlin, Colby Jones, Len and 2 second rounders
for
Kuzma and Valanciunas

Wizards save money now and in the future with this trade and pick up a couple second rounders.

longfellow44 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:Don't want Jval but I guess it gets Huerter gone.

Collins or bust!

I think Collins is the ideal fit for us as well, but I have heard on multiple podcast/radio shows that John Collins isn't really available without a serious over pay. Danny Ainge likes to play games and string teams along.

With the reports that the kings aren't willing to meet the Nets asking price for Cam Johnson and John Collins being unlikely I think our best option is a trade with the wizards.

We could get both Valanciunas and Kuzma in a deal:

Heurter, Lyles, Mcloughlin, Colby Jones, Len and 2 second rounders
for
Kuzma and Valanciunas

Wizards save money now and in the future with this trade and pick up a couple second rounders.

While I love this move for this season and the potential on-court mesh for the following ones, there seem to be some cap implications with Kuz and Val coming in, especially in 26/27. Maybe that’s inconsequential now though. The real question is: what do Kuzma and Val catapult this team to?

As I see it after this move:
Fox-Carter
Monk-Ellis
Derozan-McDermott
Murray-Kuzma-Crowder
Sabonis-Valunciunas-Jones

That brings a lot of depth to the team, albeit expensive depth. Is that team a finals contender? WCF? I think it brings a lot of injury help in the event one of the main guys go down. I really like the bones though. G depth would need to be explored right after this (unless Jordan McLaughlin can be kept)

Pass for the Wizards.

longfellow44 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:Don't want Jval but I guess it gets Huerter gone.

Collins or bust!

I think Collins is the ideal fit for us as well, but I have heard on multiple podcast/radio shows that John Collins isn't really available without a serious over pay. Danny Ainge likes to play games and string teams along.

With the reports that the kings aren't willing to meet the Nets asking price for Cam Johnson and John Collins being unlikely I think our best option is a trade with the wizards.

We could get both Valanciunas and Kuzma in a deal:

Heurter, Lyles, Mcloughlin, Colby Jones, Len and 2 second rounders
for
Kuzma and Valanciunas

Wizards save money now and in the future with this trade and pick up a couple second rounders.

For the love of god no Kuzma. I cannot see a single use for Kuzma.

Here's my breakdown of the team. We recently promoted Monk to be the lead guy, between Monk, Derozan, Sabonis we are already seeing that Fox needs to adapt to be effective. Adding Kuzma is just another guy who wants to play Demar/Fox role, but hes not nearly as good, so any shots he would be taking would be better served by these guys.

I kind of feel the same way about JVal to be honest. He is a post up player that cannot play a single minute with Sabonis. So we are paying for an elite backup center to play 12-16mpg off the bench. When Sabonis is out, that usually means Monk is out and Fox is the one running the team. JVal + Fox, doesn't really sound like a good pairing. The best pairing for Fox is when he has 5 out with Lyles/Keegan playing in the front court. So knowing that the backup center is going to play all his minutes with Fox, it really needs to be someone who can shoot the ball, or at a minimum someone who brings a different skill like rim protection. Jval while being a good player, doesn't fit the current needs of the roster.

Collins is great because he fits with every variation of lineup.
With Fox, he can be a small ball center who spaces the floor or crashes the glass.
With Monk he can be a secondary pnr threat.
With Sabonis he can bring size to help with rebounding, stretch the floor, or cut for elbow sabonis passes.

I'd pay the cost to get him. He produces better than Kuzma and has a much lower usage historically.

If we can't get Collins or Cam Johnson because the price is too high, i'd be fine pivoting to Boucher, Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Caleb Martin.

I'm less concerned with adding big names for the sake of big names. We have our top 4 scorers and we have 4 rotation defender/shooters. We need to add guys that clearly fit/upgrade the defined roles we have available on this team imo.

Yeah I have zero desires to add Kuzma. I lik bey as bench depth. Val is perfect back up that is actually available to Domas.

I'm not saying that I want kuzma. I am saying that I think it is a trade that might actually happen. Valanciunas is like a big brother to sabonis and viviek likes kuzma, they both fit positions of need, they should be cheaper to acquire than most of the more desirable options.

The closer we get to the deadline the more I just want to move Huerter for some frontcourt depth. Not waste our draft capital on the marginal improvements available for sale. Save for another market session (summer time, next deadline, etc.

I know there are big feelings about Kuzma.

I also know that he functioned extremely well in a defined role for a championship team as a true PF. And having Val with his size and skill gives Doug options against bigger opponents like Joker so you can beat them up with Val and keep Domas fresh to wreck things when they are worn out.

And I agree with the point that the closer we get to the deadline and the more they want to move these guys, the cheaper to get they are.

Both are also extremely moveable in the future and if they are cheap you don’t lose anything.

OGSactownballer wrote:I know there are big feelings about Kuzma.

I also know that he functioned extremely well in a defined role for a championship team as a true PF. And having Val with his size and skill gives Doug options against bigger opponents like Joker so you can beat them up with Val and keep Domas fresh to wreck things when they are worn out.

And I agree with the point that the closer we get to the deadline and the more they want to move these guys, the cheaper to get they are.

Both are also extremely moveable in the future and if they are cheap you don’t lose anything.

This is what I have always told myself when thinking about Kuzma, and then going, nah it wouldn't happen here, not strong enough leadership on the floor.
BUT now with Doug at the helm, I think he would have a great impact on someone like Kuzma and it may just work. Doug might have to tone down the just shoot it talk with him, because you don't need to tell him.
I'm half joking about the shooting thing, but on the defensive side of the ball, with Doug, yep I'm far more interested than I have been previously.

Problem with Kuzma is he's more of the same. We have plenty of scorers. We need more Keon Ellis types. Those that do the little things and can hit the open shot and not be a liability on offense.