GSW/MIN/DET/WAS

[nykballa2k4]

Warriors trade:
Kuminga, Hield, Looney, GPII, Anderson, FRP
get
Harris, Reid, Ingles, Miller

Rationale: Reid can opt out, will need a new contract and should be coveted. Provides spacing, athleticism. A little small, but great modern day big. Tobias Harris is who he is. Warriors need more shooting/scoring, he provides just that. This move could save the Warriors season and give them a punchers chance due to the depth they would have. Ingles is a multi-tool player replaces SloMo (downgrade) and Miller is affordable young player. I liked him a lot in the draft, not emerging yet. Might be great for the Ducks next year.
*Not part of the trade, but possible that the warriors give $ to the Wizards to buy out THjr, hoping he joins them as a FA.

Wolves trade Naz Reid, Ingles, L. Miller, Jaden McDaniels, DET FRP
get
Kuminga, Stewart, Fonteccio, Sasser, GSW FRP

rationale: Reid is going to be a UFA, Randle can opt in to his contract and might do so. It would be hard to afford keeping Reid and competing this year and you don't want to have to use real assets to unload salary. BeefStew is on a fair contract to be the back-up Reid was providing (lesser IMO, but useful). Kuminga is the big swing here. He slots right in starting at the 3. Part of what influenced me for this trade is the only player on the wolves playing 30+ MPG with a negative +/- was McDaniels. He is a fine player, but this tells me a change could do well for both. Kuminga is a RFA so Wolves can let the market dictate what he gets or let him walk if it's too much. Also could facilitate a sign and trade for value. Sasser is depth at point guard which is needed with Conley being long at the tooth, though Dillingham has looked better. Fonteccio just offers spacing which will be helpful with Ant getting those double-teams he hates so much.

Pistons trade Harris, Fonteccio, Sasser, Hardaway, *remove protections on FRP
get Kuzma, McDaniels, Brogdon, Heild, Looney
Rationale: It's a lot of $. What are they getting for it? Well you are trading in Harris for a similar but younger player on a comparable contract. Runs a little longer, but you get him through his prime years rather than Harris who is coming to the end of his.
Heild replaces Hardaway. McDaniels is the prize. I believe he is intended to be a 3-D long wing. His offense really hasn't been there, but his tools should compliment the team needs well. Either as a starter or deployed off the bench, good wings are always needed and valued. Looney offers a backup C option, plain and simple. Considered adding in Val here, but I don't think he brings much more, so why add the salary? Brogdon is expensive, but important as Ivey is out. vet point guard, recent 6moty, will providing spacing and scoring when needed.

Wizards trade Kuzma, Brogdon
get Kyle Anderson, GPII, Hardaway Jr. 12M TPE, DET FRP
I feel the value here is light, I think they should get a 2nd FRP, but I don't know from where.
TPE can be really helpful for teams looking to duck tax numbers or to facilitate someone else's trade (looking at you PHX, MIL)
Wiz fans have told me cap space isn't a priority as they struggle to find reasonable players to pay, so I know cap savings is not a big deal. having said that, if teams kick in some cash, i am sure their ownership will let GP and THjr go free and find a playoff team to jump on.


I think overall, I need to tweak some things, an I have 0 idea how this board values McDaniels so please be gentle!

[shrink]

MIN sees its young core as Ant, McDaniels and Naz.

Unlike many before them, all three have demonstrated they want to be in MIN. Ant and McDaniels got their five year extensions, and neither took the standard player option on the final year. Naz signed an under-market extension to stay in MIN, hours before free agency opened. Wanting to be in MIN is a big deal here, and all three are very unlikely to be traded.

It would be a bitter pill to swallow for MIN to give up assets to get Kuminga anyway, since he came from the pick they traded away to move Wiggins contract for .. ugh .. D’Angelo Russell.

[giberish]

For GS it isn't that bad. Right now I feel the team's only options are staying the course and ending 9-12th in the WC or doing something stupid. I don't see this as a good option (the rotation gets awkward and the 1st is looking increasingly valuable - would need top-4 protection at a minimum).

I'm surprised OP thinks that Washington is light on value. iMO you could take out the Detroit 1st and it's still reasonable value. The move on from Kuzma and can use the TPE to help someone else with tax or trade logistics issues and get a 2nd or two.

Minny is where it most likely falls apart. As noted above they're trading the guys they want to keep.

[NW]

Minny gets wrecked, GS would love Reid, but not Kuminga and a first round pick kind of love

[winforlose]

Warriors trade:
Kuminga, Hield, Looney, GPII, Anderson, FRP
get
Harris, Reid, Ingles, Miller

Rationale: Reid can opt out, will need a new contract and should be coveted. Provides spacing, athleticism. A little small, but great modern day big. Tobias Harris is who he is. Warriors need more shooting/scoring, he provides just that. This move could save the Warriors season and give them a punchers chance due to the depth they would have. Ingles is a multi-tool player replaces SloMo (downgrade) and Miller is affordable young player. I liked him a lot in the draft, not emerging yet. Might be great for the Ducks next year.
*Not part of the trade, but possible that the warriors give $ to the Wizards to buy out THjr, hoping he joins them as a FA.

Wolves trade Naz Reid, Ingles, L. Miller, Jaden McDaniels, DET FRP
get
Kuminga, Stewart, Fonteccio, Sasser, GSW FRP

rationale: Reid is going to be a UFA, Randle can opt in to his contract and might do so. It would be hard to afford keeping Reid and competing this year and you don't want to have to use real assets to unload salary. BeefStew is on a fair contract to be the back-up Reid was providing (lesser IMO, but useful). Kuminga is the big swing here. He slots right in starting at the 3. Part of what influenced me for this trade is the only player on the wolves playing 30+ MPG with a negative +/- was McDaniels. He is a fine player, but this tells me a change could do well for both. Kuminga is a RFA so Wolves can let the market dictate what he gets or let him walk if it's too much. Also could facilitate a sign and trade for value. Sasser is depth at point guard which is needed with Conley being long at the tooth, though Dillingham has looked better. Fonteccio just offers spacing which will be helpful with Ant getting those double-teams he hates so much.

Pistons trade Harris, Fonteccio, Sasser, Hardaway, *remove protections on FRP
get Kuzma, McDaniels, Brogdon, Heild, Looney
Rationale: It's a lot of $. What are they getting for it? Well you are trading in Harris for a similar but younger player on a comparable contract. Runs a little longer, but you get him through his prime years rather than Harris who is coming to the end of his.
Heild replaces Hardaway. McDaniels is the prize. I believe he is intended to be a 3-D long wing. His offense really hasn't been there, but his tools should compliment the team needs well. Either as a starter or deployed off the bench, good wings are always needed and valued. Looney offers a backup C option, plain and simple. Considered adding in Val here, but I don't think he brings much more, so why add the salary? Brogdon is expensive, but important as Ivey is out. vet point guard, recent 6moty, will providing spacing and scoring when needed.

Wizards trade Kuzma, Brogdon
get Kyle Anderson, GPII, Hardaway Jr. 12M TPE, DET FRP
I feel the value here is light, I think they should get a 2nd FRP, but I don't know from where.
TPE can be really helpful for teams looking to duck tax numbers or to facilitate someone else's trade (looking at you PHX, MIL)
Wiz fans have told me cap space isn't a priority as they struggle to find reasonable players to pay, so I know cap savings is not a big deal. having said that, if teams kick in some cash, i am sure their ownership will let GP and THjr go free and find a playoff team to jump on.


I think overall, I need to tweak some things, an I have 0 idea how this board values McDaniels so please be gentle!

If GSW is looking to make a win now trade with the Wolves they can acquire Randle and possibly NAW. If they are looking for developing assets I believe the Wolves would part with Shannon, Miller, or Minott. Minott is an interesting story as he is very raw and still prone to rookie mistakes, but also tall, long, and very high motor. His shot has made leaps and bounds since his rookie year and will continue to improve, and while his scheme defense needs work he is able to stay in front of opponents best guards or wings. Either way, Jaden is too high upside to trade for a low return, and Naz is expected to stay.

[penbeast0]

For GS it isn't that bad. Right now I feel the team's only options are staying the course and ending 9-12th in the WC or doing something stupid. I don't see this as a good option (the rotation gets awkward and the 1st is looking increasingly valuable - would need top-4 protection at a minimum).

I'm surprised OP thinks that Washington is light on value. iMO you could take out the Detroit 1st and it's still reasonable value. The move on from Kuzma and can use the TPE to help someone else with tax or trade logistics issues and get a 2nd or two.

Minny is where it most likely falls apart. As noted above they're trading the guys they want to keep.

I don't think the OP was light for the Wiz. Brogdon is expiring and Kuzma has been having the worst year of his career. That said, without any incentive, Washington is better off keeping Kuzma and trying to rehab him or moving him to the bench as an offensive sparkplug combo forward type, the role people are trying to fit him into, so pulling the 1st they just look elsewhere.

[Kalamazoo317]

McDaniels is tempting, but Detroit has too good of a thing going on right now to completely blow up our roster for an island of misfits.

[jscott]

Wolves pass. Naz and Jaden are part of the core going forward. Not getting enough value back to change that up.

[wolves_89]

This makes no sense for the Wolves. Minnesota is not trading guys they are building around for players that are clearly not an upgrade.

[nykballa2k4]

Wolves pass. Naz and Jaden are part of the core going forward. Not getting enough value back to change that up.

Just for my knowledge -- what do you make of Jaden this season?
I have watched two recent Wolves games (Knicks and Griz games) and he really has not stuck out. The +/- numbers really stuck out to me. His -43 is an outlier for the guys who play heavy minutes.

Is he supposed to be a scorer? Shooter? 3-D?

[nykballa2k4]

Minny gets wrecked, GS would love Reid, but not Kuminga and a first round pick kind of love

I really want to see Kuminga on a team like BKN or WAS, somewhere without pressure. Somewhere without Draymond Green.

[winforlose]

Wolves pass. Naz and Jaden are part of the core going forward. Not getting enough value back to change that up.

Just for my knowledge -- what do you make of Jaden this season?
I have watched two recent Wolves games (Knicks and Griz games) and he really has not stuck out. The +/- numbers really stuck out to me. His -43 is an outlier for the guys who play heavy minutes.

Is he supposed to be a scorer? Shooter? 3-D?

Jaden’s primary role is POA defense and he defends 1-4 plus small ball 5. When playing alongside NAW he sometimes defends the weakest shooter and roams as a gap helper and shot blocker.

Jaden’s handle is not excellent but is not terrible. He is a solid mid range shooter and very good at finishing at the rim. Jaden is also quite good in transition at getting to the rim and either finishing, drawing the foul, or both.

Rebounding was a weakness of Jaden, but this season his numbers are improving. He averaging 5.1 rebounds per game as a SF. I would not be at all surprised to see those numbers at 6 or 7 by the end of the season.

The biggest weakness for Jaden this year is his 3 point shooting. He has always been streaky, and always struggled above the break from deep. In some seasons he is 40+% corner 3 point shooter. This season that number is way down. I would guess it is between 25-30%. Some of this is psychological, Jaden has a temper, has self confidence issues, and gets himself in slumps. Some of this is a function of not shooting enough or being involved in the offense enough to get a rhythm. When used properly Jaden can get you 15-20 points efficiently. When used improperly (parked in the corner,) he is averaging 10.5 PPG. Our fans see our head coach as the biggest obstacle to Jaden’s development.

[nykballa2k4]

Wolves pass. Naz and Jaden are part of the core going forward. Not getting enough value back to change that up.

Just for my knowledge -- what do you make of Jaden this season?
I have watched two recent Wolves games (Knicks and Griz games) and he really has not stuck out. The +/- numbers really stuck out to me. His -43 is an outlier for the guys who play heavy minutes.

Is he supposed to be a scorer? Shooter? 3-D?

Jaden’s primary role is POA defense and he defends 1-4 plus small ball 5. When playing alongside NAW he sometimes defends the weakest shooter and roams as a gap helper and shot blocker.

Jaden’s handle is not excellent but is not terrible. He is a solid mid range shooter and very good at finishing at the rim. Jaden is also quite good in transition at getting to the rim and either finishing, drawing the foul, or both.

Rebounding was a weakness of Jaden, but this season his numbers are improving. He averaging 5.1 rebounds per game as a SF. I would not be at all surprised to see those numbers at 6 or 7 by the end of the season.

The biggest weakness for Jaden this year is his 3 point shooting. He has always been streaky, and always struggled above the break from deep. In some seasons he is 40+% corner 3 point shooter. This season that number is way down. I would guess it is between 25-30%. Some of this is psychological, Jaden has a temper, has self confidence issues, and gets himself in slumps. Some of this is a function of not shooting enough or being involved in the offense enough to get a rhythm. When used properly Jaden can get you 15-20 points efficiently. When used improperly (parked in the corner,) he is averaging 10.5 PPG. Our fans see our head coach as the biggest obstacle to Jaden’s development.

So I should compare him to OG in my head then? Because that all sounds real familiar

[winforlose]

Just for my knowledge -- what do you make of Jaden this season?
I have watched two recent Wolves games (Knicks and Griz games) and he really has not stuck out. The +/- numbers really stuck out to me. His -43 is an outlier for the guys who play heavy minutes.

Is he supposed to be a scorer? Shooter? 3-D?

Jaden’s primary role is POA defense and he defends 1-4 plus small ball 5. When playing alongside NAW he sometimes defends the weakest shooter and roams as a gap helper and shot blocker.

Jaden’s handle is not excellent but is not terrible. He is a solid mid range shooter and very good at finishing at the rim. Jaden is also quite good in transition at getting to the rim and either finishing, drawing the foul, or both.

Rebounding was a weakness of Jaden, but this season his numbers are improving. He averaging 5.1 rebounds per game as a SF. I would not be at all surprised to see those numbers at 6 or 7 by the end of the season.

The biggest weakness for Jaden this year is his 3 point shooting. He has always been streaky, and always struggled above the break from deep. In some seasons he is 40+% corner 3 point shooter. This season that number is way down. I would guess it is between 25-30%. Some of this is psychological, Jaden has a temper, has self confidence issues, and gets himself in slumps. Some of this is a function of not shooting enough or being involved in the offense enough to get a rhythm. When used properly Jaden can get you 15-20 points efficiently. When used improperly (parked in the corner,) he is averaging 10.5 PPG. Our fans see our head coach as the biggest obstacle to Jaden’s development.

So I should compare him to OG in my head then? Because that all sounds real familiar

7 foot, younger, cheaper, and best friends with Ant.

[schaffy]

Wolves pass. Naz and Jaden are part of the core going forward. Not getting enough value back to change that up.

Just for my knowledge -- what do you make of Jaden this season?
I have watched two recent Wolves games (Knicks and Griz games) and he really has not stuck out. The +/- numbers really stuck out to me. His -43 is an outlier for the guys who play heavy minutes.

Is he supposed to be a scorer? Shooter? 3-D?

Jaden’s primary role is POA defense and he defends 1-4 plus small ball 5. When playing alongside NAW he sometimes defends the weakest shooter and roams as a gap helper and shot blocker.

Jaden’s handle is not excellent but is not terrible. He is a solid mid range shooter and very good at finishing at the rim. Jaden is also quite good in transition at getting to the rim and either finishing, drawing the foul, or both.

Rebounding was a weakness of Jaden, but this season his numbers are improving. He averaging 5.1 rebounds per game as a SF. I would not be at all surprised to see those numbers at 6 or 7 by the end of the season.

The biggest weakness for Jaden this year is his 3 point shooting. He has always been streaky, and always struggled above the break from deep. In some seasons he is 40+% corner 3 point shooter. This season that number is way down. I would guess it is between 25-30%. Some of this is psychological, Jaden has a temper, has self confidence issues, and gets himself in slumps. Some of this is a function of not shooting enough or being involved in the offense enough to get a rhythm. When used properly Jaden can get you 15-20 points efficiently. When used improperly (parked in the corner,) he is averaging 10.5 PPG. Our fans see our head coach as the biggest obstacle to Jaden’s development.

Some. Some fans see the coach as the problem.

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[Warriorfan]

Warriors pass. Not really a talent upgrade and one Curry injury from definite lottery team.

GP2 and Looney have been major contribiter to championship b4 and definite system fit.

Kuminga is still young.