Lavine for Beal plus picks

[Laimbeer]

Heard a couple of podcasters say this is heating up. Bulls get some picks and Suns get a better player and some salary relief. I'm thinking two of the low firsts acquired by the Suns?

[HornetJail]

Beal to LaVine

[ChettheJet]

Keep listening maybe you'll find a good idea. There's nothing in the Chicago Bulls business model that says, they need to help the Suns out of their problems. It's going to take more than 3 low picks in however many years they're stretched out to take on an older more expensive Beal for the same length of time

[Texas Chuck]

Let's add some reasoning for both teams and Beal beyond this was on a podcast or if you are just interested in the rumor I can stick this in the catchall thread. But this is pretty flimsy for a thread.

[jredsaz]

Keep listening maybe you'll find a good idea. There's nothing in the Chicago Bulls business model that says, they need to help the Suns out of their problems. It's going to take more than 3 low picks in however many years they're stretched out to take on an older more expensive Beal for the same length of time

I mean, why not? Similar players, Lavine is better but Lavine isn’t getting you anywhere. If they are looking for a rebuild this is a great opportunity for Chicago. Take advantage of a desperate Suns/Heat situation.

[Laimbeer]

Let's add some reasoning for both teams and Beal beyond this was on a podcast or if you are just interested in the rumor I can stick this in the catchall thread. But this is pretty flimsy for a thread.

The reasoning is there. The podcasters were referencing reporting by Jake Fischer. If you want it in the catch all, that's up to you.

[jredsaz]

Let's add some reasoning for both teams and Beal beyond this was on a podcast or if you are just interested in the rumor I can stick this in the catchall thread. But this is pretty flimsy for a thread.

Bulls get three firsts for a rebuild. Suns get a better player who has a somewhat better history as a ball handler. I’d think this is part of a bigger package (like what KOC proposed) but as a stand alone it could have some merit. As a Suns fan I wouldn’t include all three picks. That seems pretty desperate but that is what the Suns are at this point, desperate.

[jredsaz]

Let's add some reasoning for both teams and Beal beyond this was on a podcast or if you are just interested in the rumor I can stick this in the catchall thread. But this is pretty flimsy for a thread.

One more thing, Gambo is literally discussing this trade on the air right now and hasn’t said it’s out of the realm of possibility. How much that’s sways you or anyone else, idk.

[Dez]

Beal to LaVine

Well that's not accurate.

[Texas Chuck]

What is Beal's motivation?

[wemby]

What is Beal's motivation?

Gets off a place where he's being scapegoated and treated like a leper to a big market where he can put up big numbers without much pressure as the Bulls go for a rebuild. Collects big checks guilt free and ejoys life with his family, maybe even sets himself up for a decent next contract with a better team after this one is up.

[nykballa2k4]

Keep listening maybe you'll find a good idea. There's nothing in the Chicago Bulls business model that says, they need to help the Suns out of their problems. It's going to take more than 3 low picks in however many years they're stretched out to take on an older more expensive Beal for the same length of time

I mean, why not? Similar players, Lavine is better but Lavine isn’t getting you anywhere. If they are looking for a rebuild this is a great opportunity for Chicago. Take advantage of a desperate Suns/Heat situation.

IMO a) Bulls are too late to rebuild b) adding Beal is win now and not a tank move (though he doesn't hurt tanks)
Beal has to agree to the move. That's the sticking point.
Lavine is an advantage to the Suns because he is a similar type of player (maybe a little better all around, worse at pure shooting) but without the no-trade he can be dealt for Butler if not now, then during the summer

[Dez]

Keep listening maybe you'll find a good idea. There's nothing in the Chicago Bulls business model that says, they need to help the Suns out of their problems. It's going to take more than 3 low picks in however many years they're stretched out to take on an older more expensive Beal for the same length of time

I mean, why not? Similar players, Lavine is better but Lavine isn’t getting you anywhere. If they are looking for a rebuild this is a great opportunity for Chicago. Take advantage of a desperate Suns/Heat situation.

IMO a) Bulls are too late to rebuild b) adding Beal is win now and not a tank move (though he doesn't hurt tanks)
Beal has to agree to the move. That's the sticking point.
Lavine is an advantage to the Suns because he is a similar type of player (maybe a little better all around, worse at pure shooting) but without the no-trade he can be dealt for Butler if not now, then during the summer

LaVine is just all around better, he'd make the Suns much better than Beal.

[ejftw]

Let's add some reasoning for both teams and Beal beyond this was on a podcast or if you are just interested in the rumor I can stick this in the catchall thread. But this is pretty flimsy for a thread.

The reasoning is there. The podcasters were referencing reporting by Jake Fischer. If you want it in the catch all, that's up to you.

Might as well reference Arye Abraham, Landon Donovan, Bobby Braswell, etc.

Phoenix should jump on it if they can, but don't see anyway Chicago does

[jredsaz]

Let's add some reasoning for both teams and Beal beyond this was on a podcast or if you are just interested in the rumor I can stick this in the catchall thread. But this is pretty flimsy for a thread.

The reasoning is there. The podcasters were referencing reporting by Jake Fischer. If you want it in the catch all, that's up to you.

Might as well reference Arye Abraham, Landon Donovan, Bobby Braswell, etc.

Phoenix should jump on it if they can, but don't see anyway Chicago does

I just don’t get that. Why wouldn’t the Bulls take three firsts, even if they are all in the 20’s, in exchange for a guy they would have had to pay to move six months ago?

If I were the Bulls, I’d do it for two. It doesn’t materially change anything about the team outside of the assets they have moving forward.

[Wigginstime]

Phx sends Beal + 2 1st
Chi sends Lavine

Why for Phx
I would prefer Lavine over Butler. He is younger and healthier and has been playing great this year

Why for Chi
I believe they need to start the rebuild process and it will take a few years. They get two firsts and in a year and a half Beal will be an expiring. He can command the tank until then

[dremill24]

LaVine is a tangible enough upgrade on Beal but not necessarily in the areas Phoenix really needs, so giving up assets to make that swap doesnt seem warranted. And if they're not giving up assets, that kinda kills any motivation for Chicago to make the swap IMO.

[Texas Chuck]

Phx sends Beal + 2 1st
Chi sends Lavine

Why for Phx
I would prefer Lavine over Butler. He is younger and healthier and has been playing great this year

Why for Chi
I believe they need to start the rebuild process and it will take a few years. They get two firsts and in a year and a half Beal will be an expiring. He can command the tank until then

FYI merged this into the existing topic

[babyjax13]

Re: Beal's motivation, it seems more relevant that Billy Donovan was his college coach than merely getting out of Phoenix.

[pipfan]

If the Suns sent all 3 picks, could Beal decline his player option and the Bulls pay him out for this season and next.

The Bulls go FULL rebuild next year, playing the kids (trade White and Vuc too). They'd have a super clear cap for 2026.

Beal gets to pick his team right now, and would be a FA this summer. Sure, he loses out on his big last year, but would make double next year (plus, whatever he gets for this year)

I know, no way Chi does this-plus it would put them in the tax this year.