Raptors/Lakers again something new

[Texas Chuck]

IQ
Temple

for

Rui
Vincent
Knecht
JHS

Raptors again moving a very long-term contract that doesn't make sense as you try and build a good team around Barnes. They save a ton of long-term money and get a prospect. Yes I've already heard how Dick makes Knecht undesirable, but this team is still a couple years away. Get him in, give him minutes, maybe you eventually move one.

Lakers get a guard with some talent, just paid on promise rather than production. Organiztion unsure about trading future picks so you have to take some chances.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I was curious how the money worked. Didn’t realize IQ made so much. I almost cursed in public reading his contract details lol


Not sure i can digest his contract to production ratio especially once he plays behind LeBron. Stats going to come down some.

[balsamic_ducks]

The lakers need compensation. That IQ contract is awful

[Godaddycurse]

Nah not interested in selling IQ at his lowest value. He is in a theory a good fit next to barnes. Want to see what they look like when fully healthy first

[MessiahUjiri]

This makes zero sense for the Raptors. They signed Quickley because they believe in his growth and pairing with Scottie.

They’re not selling him like this. There’s nothing interesting in the return coming back either.

If anything, RJ is the better trade candidate.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

[Tripod]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

Why wouldn't they? He has been hurt all year playing only 9 games.

Last year for the Raps he was at almost 19-5-7. Plus we have no PG replacement for him. Plus they need shooters.

It makes no sense to move him.

Also, for his contract he is the 16th highest paid PG. And because it's a flat contract, it keeps getting better...assuming he gets healthy and plays as expected.

[nykballa2k4]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

Just to throw in my 2 cents: It would be a complete steal for the Lakers. IQ can score 20, hit the 3 with reliability, and plays top shelf defense.
NOT a pure point guard. He is a two way combo guard/shooting guard in a point guard's body.

Raps quietly have a good team, need to get healthy of course and need depth but it will come. I expect a Magic-like rise out of them next year.

[Mr Swagtastic]

The Lakers need to add a lot more to have a shot of this getting done. Knecht is a start but IMHO shouldn't be the focal point of this deal. JHS is another project guard and Toronto has Shed and Mitchell I doubt they want him especially if he's a UFA and Gabe Vincent sucks he's arguably the worst contract in terms of value/production. Rui is okay but is going to block some development from one of Knecht, Dick, Ochai or Battle or Walter.

I get Toronto moves salary but isn't an attractive fa destination for whatever reason plus who are they going after?

[oldncreaky]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

Just to throw in my 2 cents: It would be a complete steal for the Lakers. IQ can score 20, hit the 3 with reliability, and plays top shelf defense.
NOT a pure point guard. He is a two way combo guard/shooting guard in a point guard's body.

Raps quietly have a good team, need to get healthy of course and need depth but it will come. I expect a Magic-like rise out of them next year.

Interesting post.

Agree with your read on IQ. I think evaluating a 5-year deal on 9 games and jumping to the conclusion that IQ is a "bad contract" is an extremely lazy take

I also think TOR is better than their record. Now that most of their vets are finally healthy, they're 6-6 in January

On TOR next year, I think a lot of it has to do with how much, if at all, a bunch of young guys progress -- they've played 5 rookies and 4 other guys on rookie deals major minutes. So it's possible, but I think they'd top out at .500 without some significant leaps from 2-3 guys, and leaps are too hard for me to predict.

[islandboy53]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

Just to throw in my 2 cents: It would be a complete steal for the Lakers. IQ can score 20, hit the 3 with reliability, and plays top shelf defense.
NOT a pure point guard. He is a two way combo guard/shooting guard in a point guard's body.

Raps quietly have a good team, need to get healthy of course and need depth but it will come. I expect a Magic-like rise out of them next year.

Three in a row and 5 of 6 is hopefully a sign of good things to come not far down the road. They'll continue to build by moving vets like Brown, Boucher and Olynyk for whatever is possible. There's no need to tear down further, particularly by selling off a player with clear upside for scraps.

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder if I included more than 9 games?

I hated the OG trade because I thought paying him this was a bad idea. I didn't just look at an aborted season...

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[oldncreaky]

I wonder if I included more than 9 games?

I hated the OG trade because I thought paying him this was a bad idea. I didn't just look at an aborted season...

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The OG trade is a sunk cost -- what IQ was traded for is irrelevant to evaluating the contract he was given

Paying an average 19% of the cap for a starting PG producing 19/5/7 is a gamble, but it will be at least a couple years before we can say whether that was a good or bad gamble. Even if IQ had played every game this season it's still too soon to evaluate, and unless you can hop in your time machine to jump forward 2 years to 2027 and evaluate IQ at the mid-point of his 5-year deal, IMO you are jumping the gun.

Also TOR choosing to make it a flat contract means that it will tend to get better over time and that structure was a good move because TOR had no better use of the financial room this off-season or next.

[JTT]

I wonder if I included more than 9 games?

I hated the OG trade because I thought paying him this was a bad idea. I didn't just look at an aborted season...

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I agree that it’s totally impossible to judge this contract yet. Not only is it just nine games, but those games were all played while he was either ramping up or playing injured. You may have hated the contract, but the team obviously thought it was fair and it would be an extremely bad look (and bad player relations) to dump an injured player who hasn’t had the opportunity to justify the contract on the court.

[Karmaloop]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

Unless the Lakers think that IQ Quickly is Jalen Brunson 2.0, that contract is too toxic for the Lakers liking IMO.

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder if I included more than 9 games?

I hated the OG trade because I thought paying him this was a bad idea. I didn't just look at an aborted season...

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The OG trade is a sunk cost -- what IQ was traded for is irrelevant to evaluating the contract he was given

Paying an average 19% of the cap for a starting PG producing 19/5/7 is a gamble, but it will be at least a couple years before we can say whether that was a good or bad gamble. Even if IQ had played every game this season it's still too soon to evaluate, and unless you can hop in your time machine to jump forward 2 years to 2027 and evaluate IQ at the mid-point of his 5-year deal, IMO you are jumping the gun.

Also TOR choosing to make it a flat contract means that it will tend to get better over time and that structure was a good move because TOR had no better use of the financial room this off-season or next.

I know its a sunk cost. I only mention it because you called my take lazy because you decided baselessly that I only looked at 9 games. I was pointing out I didn't like that trade because I didn't think he was going to be good value on that contract compounded byt taking RJ on his.

So I didn't base my dislike for him on that contract on 9 days despite your insistence of reducing my take to that because you don't like my opinion. Just correcting the record for everyone else.

[Thaddy]

IQ is going to be an all star level player. Ujiri is one of the best drafting GMs in the league and he did the OG deal specifically for IQ while taking RJ on as a bad contract.

https://craftednba.com/players/immanuel-quickley

He ranks 97th percentile in shot quality. 94th percentile in shot creation for himself and his teammates. 87th or higher in Passer Rating, Portability, Load, and many other stats.

This is one of the worst deals I have seen on this site.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay we don't have to wait 2 years, he's going to be an all-star. My bad.

In more seriousness I agree its unlikely Toronto turns around and trades him. Most executives won't admit mistakes quickly(pun intended). But Masai used to be considered the best of the best so I was giving him credit for not worrying about perception.

But the little Mavs are the only team that consistently immediately admits mistakes and addresses them. As a fan of the team I wish they made less, but more teams should follow their example in that regard.

[wegotthabeet]

Okay this one a miss. Raptors fans still believe in IQ. Others worried about that contract. One of those worth more where he is guys. I think Toronto should get out from under if they can, but accept Raps fans are still in.

On to the next bad idea

I thought of a similarly bad idea with IQ & Pöltl going to the Lakers, but with two first round picks going to Toronto. If that isn't viable then yeah best to scrap it.

[oldncreaky]

I wonder if I included more than 9 games?

I hated the OG trade because I thought paying him this was a bad idea. I didn't just look at an aborted season...

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The OG trade is a sunk cost -- what IQ was traded for is irrelevant to evaluating the contract he was given

Paying an average 19% of the cap for a starting PG producing 19/5/7 is a gamble, but it will be at least a couple years before we can say whether that was a good or bad gamble. Even if IQ had played every game this season it's still too soon to evaluate, and unless you can hop in your time machine to jump forward 2 years to 2027 and evaluate IQ at the mid-point of his 5-year deal, IMO you are jumping the gun.

Also TOR choosing to make it a flat contract means that it will tend to get better over time and that structure was a good move because TOR had no better use of the financial room this off-season or next.

I know its a sunk cost. I only mention it because you called my take lazy because you decided baselessly that I only looked at 9 games. I was pointing out I didn't like that trade because I didn't think he was going to be good value on that contract compounded byt taking RJ on his.

So I didn't base my dislike for him on that contract on 9 days despite your insistence of reducing my take to that because you don't like my opinion. Just correcting the record for everyone else.

Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Next time I'll . . . respond based on what you don't write and make assumptions that align with the paragraphs you will write in future, rather than what you have written at that point? Great idea!