Turner to LAL, Lopez to IND, Hachimura to TOR, Olynyk to MIL

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this 4 team swap for
-Lakers to acquire a sub 30 year old starting big without eroding too much of their roster depth
-Pacers swap out Turner for a veteran Big who they can perhaps retain in off-season on a MLE based number
-Toronto gets younger as they swap out Olynyk for Hachimura
-Milwaukee gets out of the 2nd apron by swapping Lopez for Olynyk as Olynyk is on a reasonable cap hit for '25-26

To Los Angeles Lakers (Trade Hachimura, Wood, 2nd)
-Myles Turner (1 year, $19.9 million)

To Indiana (Trade Turner, Johnson)
-Brook Lopez (1 year, $23 million)
-Christian Wood (1 year, $3 million)
-2025 Clippers 2nd round pick vis Lakers

To Milwaukee (Trade Lopez, waive Jackson Jr.)
-Kelly Olynyk (2 year, $26.2 million)
-James Johnson (! year, $2 million)

To Toronto (Trade Olynyk)
-Rui Hachimura (2 years, $35.2 million)

Why?
-Lakers get a starting calibre rim protector by swapping out rotational frontcourt depth without eroding their overall depth (hence why they dont take Lopez). Lakers can extend Turner
-Pacers swap out Turner for Lopez who can still start as Pacers decide not to retain Turner as a long term piece and Lopez can be retained in off-season for a 1 year, Full MLE-ish cap hit. They also get a 2nd given Lopez is older than Turner
-MIlwaukee gets under second apron for dealing Lopez and getting a veteran frontcourt piece in Olynyk and further frontcourt depth in adding the veteran Johnson
-Toronto gets younger as they swap out Olynyk for Hachimura to provide depth at the 4. Raptors take on additional money up front and $5 million more next season.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean to start with this is brutal for the Bucks who get way worse for no incentive other than money. And most of that value goes to LA who gets to upgrade Rui to Turner for free.

I don't see the Bucks downgrading even with fair incentive, but you need to give them some.

Then others can argue about the Indy portion, but the Lakers are stealing value and the Bucks are getting killed.

[Skybox]

I like it for TOR, who has Poeltl. LAL, as usual, are the big winners. Makes no sense for IND, unless Turner is pulling a Shaq on them and telling them "I'm going to LAL next year".

Mostly, I say the same thing in response to you pitching the same things over and over..."Brook is integral to MIL and Giannis' style of play - WHY would they do this?". Giannis can't be Giannis without Brook (or similar) boxing out half of the opposing team so Giannis can rip and run. On the other end, Brook spreads the floor at a very high level. Brook still blocks shots and defends the rim at a very high level. He's an enormous human being and he has adapted his whole basketball world to perfectly complement one of the most unique basketball players ever built. The ONLY knock on Brook is his age and his salary...but none of this gets MIL something better, imo. Olynyk is a nice player, but entirely different...not sure what value getting under the second apron gets MIL if they are an aging contender trying to take another swing - if they get worse.

[Tripod]

Raps won't want to take on that extra money with no incentive.

If they move Olynyk they would want draft capital 1st.

[esvl]

Wait - Turner is available for 2nd???? (Memphis FO)

[Mrakar]

Lakers are short 2 unprotected first rounders here...
Awfull for Bucks who are looking to contend.
Bad for Indiana. Lopez is 37 years old...

[Bentley1225]

I mean to start with this is brutal for the Bucks who get way worse for no incentive other than money. And most of that value goes to LA who gets to upgrade Rui to Turner for free.

I don't see the Bucks downgrading even with fair incentive, but you need to give them some.

Then others can argue about the Indy portion, but the Lakers are stealing value and the Bucks are getting killed.

Sure, I undervalued both Turner and Lopez here and the OP can be modified

To Los Angeles (Trade Hachimura, Wood, Protected 1st, 2nd)
-Myles Turner

To Indiana (Trade Turner, Johnson, 2nd)
-Brook Lopez
-Christian Wood
-2031 Lakers 1st round pick (Top 10 protected or extinguished)

To Milwaukee (Trade Lopez)
-Kelly Olynyk
-James Johnson
-2025 Clippers 2nd round pick via Lakers
-2028 Mavs 2nd via Pacers

To Toronto
-Rui Hachimura

The Bucks now have 4 intangible assets to deal in adding them to an offer for Butler:
Middleton, Portis, 2031 1st, 2025 Clippers 2nd, 2028 Mavs 2nd, 2031 Bucks 2nd

[NW]

Assuming this is based on Johan Buha and Jake Fischer both reporting that Turner may be available is starting to be a talking point around the league. I think they just move off Toppin and Nesmith to clear space for him. But if they do, you're going to need to provide a long term more affordable answer at center in return. Not sure the aging Lopez does it

[Bentley1225]

Raps won't want to take on that extra money with no incentive.

If they move Olynyk they would want draft capital 1st.

Well you could argue the value between Olynyk and Hachimura is $4 million/year. Adding that to the books for next year ins't going to kill the Raptors plans.

[Bentley1225]

Assuming this is based on Johan Buha and Jake Fischer both reporting that Turner may be available is starting to be a talking point around the league. I think they just move off Toppin and Nesmith to clear space for him. But if they do, you're going to need to provide a long term more affordable answer at center in return. Not sure the aging Lopez does it

I would think the market value for Turner is in neighbourhood 4 years, $90-100 million give or take this off-season. The OP assumes the Pacers dont want to go that direction and the Lakers are happy to retain him around that number.

[oldncreaky]

Raps won't want to take on that extra money with no incentive.

If they move Olynyk they would want draft capital 1st.

Well you could argue the value between Olynyk and Hachimura is $4 million/year. Adding that to the books for next year ins't going to kill the Raptors plans.

Yeah, that's fair. I think Rui is overpaid (he should be making the NTMLE), but I think Olynyk is too (he should be sub $10M)

Rui is a better age/positional fit, and the extra money next year is meaningless unless TOR trades expiring contracts (Brown, Boucher, Mitchell) for expensive contracts stretching into next year

[Wizop]

I expect Turner to re-sign for around 30mm and someone else to be moved to avoid tax.

[Scoot McGroot]

I mean to start with this is brutal for the Bucks who get way worse for no incentive other than money. And most of that value goes to LA who gets to upgrade Rui to Turner for free.

I don't see the Bucks downgrading even with fair incentive, but you need to give them some.

Then others can argue about the Indy portion, but the Lakers are stealing value and the Bucks are getting killed.

Sure, I undervalued both Turner and Lopez here and the OP can be modified

To Los Angeles (Trade Hachimura, Wood, Protected 1st, 2nd)
-Myles Turner

To Indiana (Trade Turner, Johnson, 2nd)
-Brook Lopez
-Christian Wood
-2031 Lakers 1st round pick (Top 10 protected or extinguished)

To Milwaukee (Trade Lopez)
-Kelly Olynyk
-James Johnson
-2025 Clippers 2nd round pick via Lakers
-2028 Mavs 2nd via Pacers

To Toronto
-Rui Hachimura

The Bucks now have 4 intangible assets to deal in adding them to an offer for Butler:
Middleton, Portis, 2031 1st, 2025 Clippers 2nd, 2028 Mavs 2nd, 2031 Bucks 2nd

Indy’s not going to go $5m into the tax like this. Just absolute non starter.

[SlimShady83]

If that's all it's going to cost for Turner then I'm fine for the Lakers side of things
.. Sadly will be at least 1 FRP if Turner gets traded

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Trade logic wrong. Bucks would just take turner if that’s the price.

Think lakers max offer for turner is something like a first and knecth

[Scoot McGroot]

I mean to start with this is brutal for the Bucks who get way worse for no incentive other than money. And most of that value goes to LA who gets to upgrade Rui to Turner for free.

I don't see the Bucks downgrading even with fair incentive, but you need to give them some.

Then others can argue about the Indy portion, but the Lakers are stealing value and the Bucks are getting killed.

Sure, I undervalued both Turner and Lopez here and the OP can be modified

To Los Angeles (Trade Hachimura, Wood, Protected 1st, 2nd)
-Myles Turner

To Indiana (Trade Turner, Johnson, 2nd)
-Brook Lopez
-Christian Wood
-2031 Lakers 1st round pick (Top 10 protected or extinguished)

To Milwaukee (Trade Lopez)
-Kelly Olynyk
-James Johnson
-2025 Clippers 2nd round pick via Lakers
-2028 Mavs 2nd via Pacers

To Toronto
-Rui Hachimura

The Bucks now have 4 intangible assets to deal in adding them to an offer for Butler:
Middleton, Portis, 2031 1st, 2025 Clippers 2nd, 2028 Mavs 2nd, 2031 Bucks 2nd

Indy’s not going to go $5m into the tax like this. Just absolute non starter.

But, otherwise, more in depth.

Why is Indy trading an expiring Myles for an expiring Brook? Wouldn't each team be more able to keep their guy that they've had a long time, than to trade for a guy that only barely knows the respective city/franchise? And it's clearly a downgrade for Indy on the court, as Indy's getting pick value here. Why not just try and trade Obi for an expiring, and have enough money for a Myles deal at $30m per (likely starting at $27.5m-ish)?

[Bentley1225]

Sure, I undervalued both Turner and Lopez here and the OP can be modified

To Los Angeles (Trade Hachimura, Wood, Protected 1st, 2nd)
-Myles Turner

To Indiana (Trade Turner, Johnson, 2nd)
-Brook Lopez
-Christian Wood
-2031 Lakers 1st round pick (Top 10 protected or extinguished)

To Milwaukee (Trade Lopez)
-Kelly Olynyk
-James Johnson
-2025 Clippers 2nd round pick via Lakers
-2028 Mavs 2nd via Pacers

To Toronto
-Rui Hachimura

The Bucks now have 4 intangible assets to deal in adding them to an offer for Butler:
Middleton, Portis, 2031 1st, 2025 Clippers 2nd, 2028 Mavs 2nd, 2031 Bucks 2nd

Indy’s not going to go $5m into the tax like this. Just absolute non starter.

But, otherwise, more in depth.

Why is Indy trading an expiring Myles for an expiring Brook? Wouldn't each team be more able to keep their guy that they've had a long time, than to trade for a guy that only barely knows the respective city/franchise? And it's clearly a downgrade for Indy on the court, as Indy's getting pick value here. Why not just try and trade Obi for an expiring, and have enough money for a Myles deal at $30m per (likely starting at $27.5m-ish)?

Assumption is Pacers don’t want to extend him on a deal of at least 9 figures.

[NW]

Assuming this is based on Johan Buha and Jake Fischer both reporting that Turner may be available is starting to be a talking point around the league. I think they just move off Toppin and Nesmith to clear space for him. But if they do, you're going to need to provide a long term more affordable answer at center in return. Not sure the aging Lopez does it

I would think the market value for Turner is in neighbourhood 4 years, $90-100 million give or take this off-season. The OP assumes the Pacers dont want to go that direction and the Lakers are happy to retain him around that number.

Depends on if the issue is they don’t want to pay Turner that deal because of where it puts them in the tax or they don’t want to pay him the deal because they don’t think he’s worth that deal. If it’s the former, they just got to move some salary to accommodate (Toppin/Nesmith-which should have interest across the league. I know my Warriors would be)

[jayjaysee]

It’s been said ITT, but no way does Milwaukee not just cut everyone out and get Turner if Indy accepts any of these valuations.

And going further, if Indy is accepting a pick with top 10 protection.. Milwaukee could probably still pull off a Butler or Ingram trade by giving up the other side of the protection…

But Indy isn’t doing any of these so think the idea falls apart really quickly.

[Scoot McGroot]

Indy’s not going to go $5m into the tax like this. Just absolute non starter.

But, otherwise, more in depth.

Why is Indy trading an expiring Myles for an expiring Brook? Wouldn't each team be more able to keep their guy that they've had a long time, than to trade for a guy that only barely knows the respective city/franchise? And it's clearly a downgrade for Indy on the court, as Indy's getting pick value here. Why not just try and trade Obi for an expiring, and have enough money for a Myles deal at $30m per (likely starting at $27.5m-ish)?

Assumption is Pacers don’t want to extend him on a deal of at least 9 figures.

Only reports so far are “other GM’s question if Indy wants to pay Myles $30m per”, which isn’t really a report? It’s cited to rival GM’s, has no specific info on Indy nor Myles, and it’s easily in the realm of affordable if an Obi is salary dumped.

4/100 is an easy fit. They can essentially do that now without paying the tax or even salary dumping Obi. 4/120 is tougher, but can be fit.

We’ll see. But either way, they’d need to sign a center for next year, and if Brook walks, they just have the MLE.