Rocket/Nets trade - Who says no?

[scrabbarista]

Heard this on the Hardwood Knocks podcast and found it very intriguing. Favale and Hughes thought maybe both teams would benefit.

Nets receive: 2027 Brooklyn Nets First Round pick, Jae'Sean Tate, Jock Landale

Rockets receive: Cam Johnson

Currently, the Rockets have swap rights, and in this case, Brooklyn would get both picks.

Hughes: Maybe that's the way one pick gets it done, if it's your own pick.

Favale: It doesn't compromise the Rockets' longterm payroll structure.

Hughes: There are iterations where FVV leaves and Amen is the point guard, and then Johnson makes great sense.

Hughes: Looking at the free agent landscape the next two summers, and Brooklyn's trajectory, this projects as a very high pick.

They also made the point that the Nets are sitting out most of their real players in an effort to lose. There's no point in their acquiring good players, except in order to not play them and trade them, which is probably just silly. They are trying to lose. Trying to lose and having your own pick is a pretty good combination.

Nets fans? Rockets fans? Everyone else?

[Iwasawitness]

You couldn't have just put this click bait thread in the trade forum?

[scrabbarista]

You couldn't have just put this click bait thread in the trade forum?

Can you clarify your opinion on the trade? "Clickbait" tells me nothing.

[BadWolf]

General board mods should say no, trades and transactions mods probably say yes.

[Iwasawitness]

You couldn't have just put this click bait thread in the trade forum?

Can you clarify your opinion on the trade? "Clickbait" tells me nothing.

I couldn’t care less about the trade.

[JustBuzzin]

lol

[DarkXaero]

Nets say no, I think this is a non starter. We don't even know if we're tanking next year, let alone 2027. I'm absolutely not trading Cam Johnson for our 2027 swap back at this point.

[TwitterFingers]

Cam Johnson could probably fetch better assets, but I’m not sure.

[scrabbarista]

Nets say no, I think this is a non starter. We don't even know if we're tanking next year, let alone 2027. I'm absolutely not trading Cam Johnson for our 2027 swap back at this point.

Thanks, this is the kind of response I was looking for.

Beats "lol," "i don't care," and "go to a different board."

[scrabbarista]

Cam Johnson could probably fetch better assets, but I’m not sure.

Right? It's not a given.

But I guess it depends on how good or bad the Nets are looking to be two seasons from now.

If they wanted to follow the Rockets' own three-season rebuild model, this trade might be perfect for them.

[wemby]

Nets say no, I think this is a non starter. We don't even know if we're tanking next year, let alone 2027. I'm absolutely not trading Cam Johnson for our 2027 swap back at this point.

I'm leaning this way, because I agree the Nets will go for a shorter rebuild and, if they bet on themselves, the pick will lose a lot of value.

[scrabbarista]

Nets say no, I think this is a non starter. We don't even know if we're tanking next year, let alone 2027. I'm absolutely not trading Cam Johnson for our 2027 swap back at this point.

I'm leaning this way, because I agree the Nets will go for a shorter rebuild and, if they bet on themselves, the pick will lose a lot of value.

Two seasons is really, really short, though. Houston's was three seasons of utter putrescence, and it feels (still, now) shockingly fast.

[Texas Chuck]

No team wants to have to plan to be terrible for 2 more years just to get any benefit. I can't see why the Nets would consider this and I'm one who thinks the Cam Johnson hype is out of control. But they shouldn't made a trade that requires them to suck to get any value.

[LarsV8]

Not doing that.

Nets Swap could be gold.

[wemby]

Nets say no, I think this is a non starter. We don't even know if we're tanking next year, let alone 2027. I'm absolutely not trading Cam Johnson for our 2027 swap back at this point.

I'm leaning this way, because I agree the Nets will go for a shorter rebuild and, if they bet on themselves, the pick will lose a lot of value.

Two seasons is really, really short, though. Houston's was three seasons of utter putrescence, and it feels (still, now) shockingly fast.

Depends, if you land a top prospect or even two, and you get some quality free agents, it's more than enough to be at least a middle of the pack team. Under that scenario, the SWAP (it's not a pick outright, merely a swap) is what, 10 spots or so? Bad value for Cam Johnson.

[jayjaysee]

I think Houston keeps the upside here.

With Eason, Amen, Brooks, and Jabari (and their Cam) they don’t need Cam Johnson IMO. They already have a decision to make on the wings by next deadline realistically (should maybe by the draft?)..

Keep the upside of Brooklyn failing in free agency, even if the asking price is very reasonable.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Heard this on the Hardwood Knocks podcast and found it very intriguing. Favale and Hughes thought maybe both teams would benefit.

Nets receive: 2027 Brooklyn Nets First Round pick, Jae'Sean Tate, Jock Landale

Rockets receive: Cam Johnson

Currently, the Rockets have swap rights, and in this case, Brooklyn would get both picks.

Hughes: Maybe that's the way one pick gets it done, if it's your own pick.

Favale: It doesn't compromise the Rockets' longterm payroll structure.

Hughes: There are iterations where FVV leaves and Amen is the point guard, and then Johnson makes great sense.

Hughes: Looking at the free agent landscape the next two summers, and Brooklyn's trajectory, this projects as a very high pick.

They also made the point that the Nets are sitting out most of their real players in an effort to lose. There's no point in their acquiring good players, except in order to not play them and trade them, which is probably just silly. They are trying to lose. Trying to lose and having your own pick is a pretty good combination.

Nets fans? Rockets fans? Everyone else?

I would do it , First of all i think Cam deserves to be playing for a contender , and Houston seems like great place for him

I kind of disagree with the other Nets poster that we don’t need our own 2027 pick , lots of things can happen and we might need that pick badly , or if we don’t we can always trade it in 2026

[scrabbarista]

I'm leaning this way, because I agree the Nets will go for a shorter rebuild and, if they bet on themselves, the pick will lose a lot of value.

Two seasons is really, really short, though. Houston's was three seasons of utter putrescence, and it feels (still, now) shockingly fast.

Depends, if you land a top prospect or even two, and you get some quality free agents, it's more than enough to be at least a middle of the pack team. Under that scenario, the SWAP (it's not a pick outright, merely a swap) is what, 10 spots or so? Bad value for Cam Johnson.

It's Brooklyn's choice whether to go that scenario, though. They can choose to make it 25 spots, potentially.

It is a pick outright. Brooklyn goes from having one pick to having two.

[wemby]

Two seasons is really, really short, though. Houston's was three seasons of utter putrescence, and it feels (still, now) shockingly fast.

Depends, if you land a top prospect or even two, and you get some quality free agents, it's more than enough to be at least a middle of the pack team. Under that scenario, the SWAP (it's not a pick outright, merely a swap) is what, 10 spots or so? Bad value for Cam Johnson.

It's Brooklyn's choice whether to go that scenario, though. They can choose to make it 25 spots, potentially.

It is a pick outright. Brooklyn goes from having one pick to having two.

No, the Rockets had the Nets picks in 24 and 26 and swaps in 25 and 27 (per the Stepien rule), they conceded the 24 pick (Rockets used it on Sheppard) and traded the 25 swap and 26 pick back to the Nets in exchange for the Suns picks this offseason, but kept the 27 swap. It's on this site:
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing)
Houston has the right to swap its 2027 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2027 1st round pick [Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]

[scrabbarista]

Depends, if you land a top prospect or even two, and you get some quality free agents, it's more than enough to be at least a middle of the pack team. Under that scenario, the SWAP (it's not a pick outright, merely a swap) is what, 10 spots or so? Bad value for Cam Johnson.

It's Brooklyn's choice whether to go that scenario, though. They can choose to make it 25 spots, potentially.

It is a pick outright. Brooklyn goes from having one pick to having two.

No, the Rockets had the Nets picks in 24 and 26 and swaps in 25 and 27 (per the Stepien rule), they conceded the 24 pick (Rockets used it on Sheppard) and traded the 25 swap and 26 pick back to the Nets in exchange for the Suns picks this offseason, but kept the 27 swap. It's on this site:
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing)
Houston has the right to swap its 2027 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2027 1st round pick [Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]

Yes. It is a swap now. Houston gets the better pick.

I think you didn't understand me.

Right now Brooklyn has one pick. The worse one.

In this trade, they are being traded the better one.

Then they will have two picks.

They will be traded a pick, not a swap.

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