Brown to Heat, Love to Lakers, Robinson to Raptors

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this idea for:
-Heat to land Brown whom they apparently like according to reports
-Lakers land another big in Love who is familiar with LeBron
-Raptors get back a 2nd, a veteran shooter and take a flyer on Hood-Schifino

To Miami (Trade Robinson, Love, 2nds)
-Bruce Brown (1 year, $23 million)

To Los Angeles Lakers (Trade Hood-Schifino)
-Kevin Love (2 years, $8 million plus)

To Toronto (Trade Brown, waive Temple)
-Duncan Robinson (1 year, $19.4 million plus $9.9 million guaranteed)
-Jalen Hood Schifino (1 year, $3.8 million)
-2026 Lakers 2nd round pick via Miami
-2031 Heat 2nd round pick (right to swap with Indiana)

Why?
-Miami gets Brown and clears $14 million off books for next season as they have option to re-sign Brown for around MLE for a year depending on what happens with Jimmy Butler
-The Lakers add another big in Love who can play 12-15 mpg
-Raptors gets back 2nds for Brown, a prospect they can take a flyer on and Robinson can either be flipped again at trade deadline or released in summer.

[mademan]

Pretty sure Robinson puts the Raps in the tax next year. Not really worth it for a pair of 2nd rounders

[Bentley1225]

Pretty sure Robinson puts the Raps in the tax next year. Not really worth it for a pair of 2nd rounders

By my calculation this puts that Raps $26 million under 1st apron before factoring in cap hold to their 2025 1st round pick when you factor in the dead cap money for Robinson.

Quickley/Snead
Dick/Walter
Barrett/Agbaji
Barnes/Olynyk
Poeltl/Mogbo

[mademan]

Pretty sure Robinson puts the Raps in the tax next year. Not really worth it for a pair of 2nd rounders

By my calculation this puts that Raps $26 million under 1st apron before factoring in cap hold to their 2025 1st round pick when you factor in the dead cap money for Robinson.

Quickley/Snead
Dick/Walter
Barrett/Agbaji
Barnes/Olynyk
Poeltl/Mogbo

Luxury tax is ~ 170 mill and Raps have about 150 guaranteed next year without adding in a top pick salary. Cutting Robinson puts them right on the edge meaning they cant use the midlevel while staying under the tax. That's not worth it for 2 2nd rounders

[Godaddycurse]

Pretty sure Robinson puts the Raps in the tax next year. Not really worth it for a pair of 2nd rounders

By my calculation this puts that Raps $26 million under 1st apron before factoring in cap hold to their 2025 1st round pick when you factor in the dead cap money for Robinson.

Quickley/Snead
Dick/Walter
Barrett/Agbaji
Barnes/Olynyk
Poeltl/Mogbo

Luxury tax is ~ 170 mill and Raps have about 150 guaranteed next year without adding in a top pick salary. Cutting Robinson puts them right on the edge meaning they cant use the midlevel while staying under the tax. That's not worth it for 2 2nd rounders

lux tax is 170M this year, next year should be higher. but agreed eating 10M dead money next year is not worth it for 2 2nds

[Bentley1225]

By my calculation this puts that Raps $26 million under 1st apron before factoring in cap hold to their 2025 1st round pick when you factor in the dead cap money for Robinson.

Quickley/Snead
Dick/Walter
Barrett/Agbaji
Barnes/Olynyk
Poeltl/Mogbo

Luxury tax is ~ 170 mill and Raps have about 150 guaranteed next year without adding in a top pick salary. Cutting Robinson puts them right on the edge meaning they cant use the midlevel while staying under the tax. That's not worth it for 2 2nd rounders

lux tax is 170M this year, next year should be higher. but agreed eating 10M dead money next year is not worth it for 2 2nds

It’s projected to be around $190 million

[SA37]

I am not sure Miami would move Robinson for Brown because Miami really values Robinson's shooting. It really depends on what Miami can get back from a potential Butler deal.

I am more inclined to think Miami would move Rozier for Brown. Brown could end up going to Miami or he could be sent to another team to get Miami a player it liked. For example, Rozier going to Toronto, Sexton going to Miami, and Bruce Brown going to Utah. You'd have to sort out the draft compensation, but that's the type of deal I'd expect.

Another variation of this could be Rozier going to Toronto, Marcus Smart going to Miami, and Bruce Brown going to Memphis.

[ItsDanger]

Why would you pick up $23M option on Brown, then trade him to potentially add $10M more (plus JHS and fully guaranteed portion) to get 2 2nds, one is in 2031? Would it not be cheaper to purchase 2nd round picks at the draft?

Ownership that usually has more financially experienced managers would be pissed at any basketball front office that executed such a stupid and pointless trade. My first reaction would be: " Hey, do you **** know what you're doing?"

[Bentley1225]

Why would you pick up $23M option on Brown, then trade him to potentially add $10M more (plus JHS and fully guaranteed portion) to get 2 2nds, one is in 2031? Would it not be cheaper to purchase 2nd round picks at the draft?

Ownership that usually has more financially experienced managers would be pissed at any basketball front office that executed such a stupid and pointless trade. My first reaction would be: " Hey, do you **** know what you're doing?"

Because Raptors management thought his market value would be solid at that $23 million option but the problem is he was hurt. I never understood why they exercised his option but there are have a few mistakes by Masai/Webster over last few seasons.

[Godaddycurse]

Why would you pick up $23M option on Brown, then trade him to potentially add $10M more (plus JHS and fully guaranteed portion) to get 2 2nds, one is in 2031? Would it not be cheaper to purchase 2nd round picks at the draft?

Ownership that usually has more financially experienced managers would be pissed at any basketball front office that executed such a stupid and pointless trade. My first reaction would be: " Hey, do you **** know what you're doing?"

Because Raptors management thought his market value would be solid at that $23 million option but the problem is he was hurt. I never understood why they exercised his option but there are have a few mistakes by Masai/Webster over last few seasons.

But his point is valid that you can buy better 2nds with cash than eating 10 million of dead robinson salary

[Bentley1225]

Why would you pick up $23M option on Brown, then trade him to potentially add $10M more (plus JHS and fully guaranteed portion) to get 2 2nds, one is in 2031? Would it not be cheaper to purchase 2nd round picks at the draft?

Ownership that usually has more financially experienced managers would be pissed at any basketball front office that executed such a stupid and pointless trade. My first reaction would be: " Hey, do you **** know what you're doing?"

Because Raptors management thought his market value would be solid at that $23 million option but the problem is he was hurt. I never understood why they exercised his option but there are have a few mistakes by Masai/Webster over last few seasons.

But his point is valid that you can buy better 2nds with cash than eating 10 million of dead robinson salary

I assumed the going rate of a 2nd is $3-5M cash/salary. $9.9M divided by 2 2nds is just under $5 million per. Furthermore, it depends if the Raps see any value in taking a flyer on Hood-Schifindo

[Godaddycurse]

Because Raptors management thought his market value would be solid at that $23 million option but the problem is he was hurt. I never understood why they exercised his option but there are have a few mistakes by Masai/Webster over last few seasons.

But his point is valid that you can buy better 2nds with cash than eating 10 million of dead robinson salary

I assumed the going rate of a 2nd is $3-5M cash/salary. $9.9M divided by 2 2nds is just under $5 million per. Furthermore, it depends if the Raps see any value in taking a flyer on Hood-Schifindo

we paid 1.4 million for the pick to draft chomche. GSW sent 2.5 million i think for another pick

[Thaddy]

Brown is better than Robinson and 2 2nd round picks aren't worth it. The Raptors might actually re-sign him if they can't figure out a deal that capitalizes on his value as a player and not just his contract. The league wants the Raptors to sell him as just an expiring, the fact is that, the team trading for him gets his bird rights and likely re-signs him for less. He would save a contender money while also givng them cheap value off their bench.

[jbk1234]

The Raptors currently have Olynyk and Dick. They have no need for Robinson. This is just a straight salary dump and it'll cost the Heat more than a couple seconds to dump that much salary in this market.

[oldncreaky]

By my calculation this puts that Raps $26 million under 1st apron before factoring in cap hold to their 2025 1st round pick when you factor in the dead cap money for Robinson.

Quickley/Snead
Dick/Walter
Barrett/Agbaji
Barnes/Olynyk
Poeltl/Mogbo

Luxury tax is ~ 170 mill and Raps have about 150 guaranteed next year without adding in a top pick salary. Cutting Robinson puts them right on the edge meaning they cant use the midlevel while staying under the tax. That's not worth it for 2 2nd rounders

lux tax is 170M this year, next year should be higher. but agreed eating 10M dead money next year is not worth it for 2 2nds

I'd pass on the OP. I'm not sure if JHS is worth anything, but even if he is, TOR has a ton of guards on their rookie contract who need development minutes and they can't all get development time. They also have more than enough SFs, and again mostly guys on rookie deals who need development minutes.

I wanted to weigh in on the financials. If TOR stands pat at the TDL and does nothing, for 2025-26 TOR will have

- 10 players under contract totalling $150.7M
- Chomche on 2nd year of 2-way
- 3 roster spots to account for FRP, SRP, and conversion of Battle (assume $10-$15M)
- 2 roster spots to fill
- luxury tax is $187.8

That would leave the Raptors with between $22M and $28M to spend on two roster spots. Financially, getting Robinson isn't an issue, but I think they'd be better off saving that money to spend on PFs or Cs, especially any that are on Scottie's time line.

[BBallFreak]

The Raptors currently have Olynyk and Dick. They have no need for Robinson. This is just a straight salary dump and it'll cost the Heat more than a couple seconds to dump that much salary in this market.

We don't see him as someone to salary dump, which means we wouldn't pay to move him. I don't see us doing this trade, either.

[jbk1234]

The Raptors currently have Olynyk and Dick. They have no need for Robinson. This is just a straight salary dump and it'll cost the Heat more than a couple seconds to dump that much salary in this market.

We don't see him as someone to salary dump, which means we wouldn't pay to move him. I don't see us doing this trade, either.

That's fine, but there are at least two teams in any trade. The Raptors say no well before you get to whether the Heat would do it.

[BBallFreak]

The Raptors currently have Olynyk and Dick. They have no need for Robinson. This is just a straight salary dump and it'll cost the Heat more than a couple seconds to dump that much salary in this market.

We don't see him as someone to salary dump, which means we wouldn't pay to move him. I don't see us doing this trade, either.

That's fine, but there are at least two teams in any trade. The Raptors say no well before you get to whether the Heat would do it.

Usually, the team looking to dump salary is the team that makes the offer. Please tell me how Toronto is going to turn down an offer we wouldn't make?

[SA37]

Really odd to see the Raptors contingent complaining about taking on Robinson or some other future money. If what the Raptors wanted was an expiring, there would be absolutely no reason to get involved in facilitating a Butler trade just keep Brown and let him expire.

The reason teams are interested in facilitating a deal is because they can either get a prospect or some draft compensation for....taking on contracts teams don't want.

And the Raptors could keep Robinson/Rozier/whoever and try to repeat the same transaction again next year with another team looking to add shooting, which most teams usually are.

[oldncreaky]

Really odd to see the Raptors contingent complaining about taking on Robinson or some other future money. If what the Raptors wanted was an expiring, there would be absolutely no reason to get involved in facilitating a Butler trade just keep Brown and let him expire.

The reason teams are interested in facilitating a deal is because they can either get a prospect or some draft compensation for....taking on contracts teams don't want.

And the Raptors could keep Robinson/Rozier/whoever and try to repeat the same transaction again next year with another team looking to add shooting, which most teams usually are.

The debate about

Raptors contingent complaining about taking on Robinson or some other future money

is between a Cavs fan and a Miami fan!

The Raptors fans in the thread mostly think it's bad value because
(1) they want to use the $10M available under the tax line this season, not clog up next year
or
(2) they think it's overpaying for 2 meh SRPs when the incoming players are of no use to TOR