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Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:52 am
by SkyHook
Are there FOs which absolutely refuse to trade with another team? I've heard that Lakers and Blazers won't deal with each other. There seems to be ample enmity between Ainge and Riley that would make transactions unlikely. (Have they ever made a trade?)

Anyone else?

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:03 am
by Myth
Blazers may have 3 right now:

Blazers and Lakers haven’t traded in over 40 years, and the trades before that were about as minor as can be. That said, the fans are warming up to the idea, and there were rumored negotiations between the franchises this past summer.

Blazers and Heat had animosity about the Lillard situation. I again hope this doesn’t stop a trade if one makes sense.

Blazers and Warriors had issues related to Gary Payton II, in which the Warriors complained to the league office and accused Portland of lying about medical stuff. Some assume this could be a barrier between current administrations.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:05 am
by chrbal
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/trades.fcgi

Don’t know the answer, but i stumbled across this trying to figure out the answer

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:09 am
by penbeast0
chrbal wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/trades.fcgi

Don’t know the answer, but i stumbled across this trying to figure out the answer


That is nice!

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:11 am
by ejftw
Clippers have never been involved in a deal with San Ant, interesting. Multiple times with the Lakers, most recently the Bones deal, which was indirect.

Only once directly in LA (Muscala for Zu and Beasley). Once in San Diego (Nater, Scott for Eddie Jordan, Nixon and a 2nd that was Hornacek, which they dealt for Ricky **** Pierce)

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:12 am
by jscott
Any word on why Blazers and Lakers have heat?

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:16 am
by Myth
ejftw wrote:Clippers have never been involved in a deal with San Ant, interesting. Multiple times with the Lakers, most recently the Bones deal, which was indirect.

Only once directly in LA (Muscala for Zu and Beasley). Once in San Diego (Nater, Scott for Eddie Jordan, Nixon and a 2nd that was Hornacek, which they dealt for Ricky **** Pierce)

There’s a few teams there who have never traded. Hawks have a few really close buddies I see.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:19 am
by JRoy
Myth wrote:Blazers may have 3 right now:

Blazers and Lakers haven’t traded in over 40 years, and the trades before that were about as minor as can be. That said, the fans are warming up to the idea, and there were rumored negotiations between the franchises this past summer.

Blazers and Heat had animosity about the Lillard situation. I again hope this doesn’t stop a trade if one makes sense.

Blazers and Warriors had issues related to Gary Payton II, in which the Warriors complained to the league office and accused Portland of lying about medical stuff. Some assume this could be a barrier between current administrations.



Not all fans are warming up to that idea.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:21 am
by Myth
jscott wrote:Any word on why Blazers and Lakers have heat?

Just old school rivalry, mostly fueled by Blazers fans hating the Lakers. Any potential trade with the Lakers the team also has to weigh PR issues with the fans, particularly if it is a fan favorite going to the C Lakers and making them better. There would have been a problematic amount of Blazers fans upset if they traded Lillard to the Lakers. I think part of the recent relaxed stance is the Blazers fans are really hoping to get rid of some guys (like Grant who was rumored to be in discussion to be traded to LAL) while not believing it pushes the Lakers into championship territory.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:23 am
by Myth
JRoy wrote:
Myth wrote:Blazers may have 3 right now:

Blazers and Lakers haven’t traded in over 40 years, and the trades before that were about as minor as can be. That said, the fans are warming up to the idea, and there were rumored negotiations between the franchises this past summer.

Blazers and Heat had animosity about the Lillard situation. I again hope this doesn’t stop a trade if one makes sense.

Blazers and Warriors had issues related to Gary Payton II, in which the Warriors complained to the league office and accused Portland of lying about medical stuff. Some assume this could be a barrier between current administrations.



Not all fans are warming up to that idea.

Not all, but it is the first large shift I’ve ever seen in the overall online Blazers community. Many are genuinely upset that Cronin was too firm in his demands in a possible Jerami to Lakers trade.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:26 am
by nykballa2k4
SkyHook wrote:Are there FOs which absolutely refuse to trade with another team? I've heard that Lakers and Blazers won't deal with each other. There seems to be ample enmity between Ainge and Riley that would make transactions unlikely. (Have they ever made a trade?)

Anyone else?


The only trade ever between Heat and Knicks was Walter McCarty (pick) for Pat Riley (coach).

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:28 am
by JRoy
jscott wrote:Any word on why Blazers and Lakers have heat?


When I was growing up in St Johns, getting screwed was called “getting Lakered”.

I don’t know the origin of the phrase but I remember it clearly.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:36 am
by Devilanche
OKC . If you are willing put one pick into the trade , Presti is definitely willing to answer the call.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:39 am
by JRoy
Myth wrote:
jscott wrote:Any word on why Blazers and Lakers have heat?

Just old school rivalry, mostly fueled by Blazers fans hating the Lakers. Any potential trade with the Lakers the team also has to weigh PR issues with the fans, particularly if it is a fan favorite going to the C Lakers and making them better. There would have been a problematic amount of Blazers fans upset if they traded Lillard to the Lakers. I think part of the recent relaxed stance is the Blazers fans are really hoping to get rid of some guys (like Grant who was rumored to be in discussion to be traded to LAL) while not believing it pushes the Lakers into championship territory.


It’s pretty much one sided; the pimply freshman who envies the senior with the car and the girls. The senior barely notices the freshman.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:59 am
by SNPA
Myth wrote:
jscott wrote:Any word on why Blazers and Lakers have heat?

Just old school rivalry, mostly fueled by Blazers fans hating the Lakers. Any potential trade with the Lakers the team also has to weigh PR issues with the fans, particularly if it is a fan favorite going to the C Lakers and making them better. There would have been a problematic amount of Blazers fans upset if they traded Lillard to the Lakers. I think part of the recent relaxed stance is the Blazers fans are really hoping to get rid of some guys (like Grant who was rumored to be in discussion to be traded to LAL) while not believing it pushes the Lakers into championship territory.

Same in Sac. Any Lakers trade would have to be either so minor no one could possibly care or lopsided. Anything in the middle and you’d have to price in pissed off fans. Lose a trade to the Lakers and some fans would dump you for that one act alone.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:14 am
by Myth
SNPA wrote:
Myth wrote:
jscott wrote:Any word on why Blazers and Lakers have heat?

Just old school rivalry, mostly fueled by Blazers fans hating the Lakers. Any potential trade with the Lakers the team also has to weigh PR issues with the fans, particularly if it is a fan favorite going to the C Lakers and making them better. There would have been a problematic amount of Blazers fans upset if they traded Lillard to the Lakers. I think part of the recent relaxed stance is the Blazers fans are really hoping to get rid of some guys (like Grant who was rumored to be in discussion to be traded to LAL) while not believing it pushes the Lakers into championship territory.

Same in Sac. Any Lakers trade would have to be either so minor no one could possibly care or lopsided. Anything in the middle and you’d have to price in pissed off fans. Lose a trade to the Lakers and some fans would dump you for that one act alone.

I didn’t realize that with the Kings, but sure enough, looking at the link above their last trade was 1977.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:54 am
by tmorgan
penbeast0 wrote:
chrbal wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/trades.fcgi

Don’t know the answer, but i stumbled across this trying to figure out the answer


That is nice!


Unless my aging eyes missed something, the most active trading partners are Atlanta and Detroit. Never would have guessed.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:18 am
by JRoy
chrbal wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/trades.fcgi

Don’t know the answer, but i stumbled across this trying to figure out the answer


That is a great tool.

Looks like POR traded with just about every team over the last 5 years or so except LAL and DAL.

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 11:38 am
by axeman23
Myth wrote:Blazers may have 3 right now:

Blazers and Lakers haven’t traded in over 40 years, and the trades before that were about as minor as can be. That said, the fans are warming up to the idea, and there were rumored negotiations between the franchises this past summer.

Blazers and Heat had animosity about the Lillard situation. I again hope this doesn’t stop a trade if one makes sense.

Blazers and Warriors had issues related to Gary Payton II, in which the Warriors complained to the league office and accused Portland of lying about medical stuff. Some assume this could be a barrier between current administrations.


Pardon my ignorance: I WAS watching basketball back then, but as a kid I was more of a "name on the front of the jersey over the one on the back" fan, and didn't follow trades too closely. WHAT exactly happened??? :lol: because I've seen that on this forum for a while now "x ammount of GLORIOUS years without a Laker trade", SOMETHING had to go bad...

Re: Interfranchise Animosity and Trades

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:22 pm
by penbeast0
For the Wiz, we love trading with Phoenix (the Beal deal!) and apparently just don't want to deal with Pat Riley and the Heat.