Brandon Ingram Top Offers

[JMAC3]

If we assume Ingram isn't apart of some massive trade via Butler, Beal etc... What are the best offers for him currently?

I don't love this fit on the Hornets to be honest, but if he is going to be cheap via trade I would maybe consider it since Charlotte is nowhere close to being in the Tax/Aprons as a team so the money doesn't really hurt them as much as a lot of other teams.

Charlotte Offer: Josh Green, Vasa Micic, Cody Martin, Min Salary and Dallas 2027 first top 2 protected.
for Brandon Ingram.

Pelicans get 2 expirings, 1 first and a decent rotation player in Josh Green.

Hornets just try to infuse more talent onto a roster lacking it even if it means giving Ingram a 4/180 (45~ per yr).
Melo-Miller-Ingram-Bridges-Williams would look good on paper even if the fit is questionable. Even post Ingram deal, would only put the roster at 160 million so plenty of room to operate under 187 million tax line still.

[Mavrelous]

Instant yes from NOP, you can do it with lowest of CHO/DAL/MIA pick...

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah I think OP's offer is going to be tough to beat. I think taking on Green is a small price to pay to get such a lightly protected first out of BI at this point.

I don't hate the idea of Charlotte doing early FA like this either, but I don't think its really tenable to pay and play BI/Bridges together long-term if the team wants to be competitive though so if I was trading for BI, I'd want to know there was an exit path for Bridges.

[HornetJail]

yeah this (or preferably the worst of the 3 2027 1sts) is a price I'm willing to pay for Ingram. High enough to be *something* for NOLA, and low enough that we're comfortable walking away from him in the offseason if he wants an albatross contract (anything above like 3/100M)

I really like a Melo/Miller/Ingram/Bridges/Mark starting five. Sure, at any given time 1-2 of them are probably going to be hurt, but even when that happens, there's more than one NBA player on the floor that can be trusted to touch the basketball, so that's a sizeable upgrade on what we have now when injuries hit.

[JMAC3]

Yeah I think OP's offer is going to be tough to beat. I think taking on Green is a small price to pay to get such a lightly protected first out of BI at this point.

I don't hate the idea of Charlotte doing early FA like this either, but I don't think its really tenable to pay and play BI/Bridges together long-term if the team wants to be competitive though so if I was trading for BI, I'd want to know there was an exit path for Bridges.

The fit isn't great, but again this is more about talent infusion at a relatively low cost. If this put Charlotte into the conversation of playoffs and eventually having to pivot off one of Ingram or Bridges so be it. They would still have all their own firsts + Miami first they could still attach picks to one of those larger contracts in the future.

Charlotte would have some nice size after this deal
Melo 6-7, Miller 6-9, Ingram 6-9, Bridges 6-7, plus a Mark at 7+

[jayjaysee]

I think this is the top offer. Imagine NOP can get a 2025 first but none with the variance of this pick.

I agree with Chuck about the fit, I’d probably want to avoid that and find a way to make this a Bridges based package. But it can wait til next season.

CLT’s tax space does open up the ability to offer Ingram a really big two year deal or front loaded/flat deal.. I don’t see Ingram getting a max, so think there’s some wiggle room there.

[JMAC3]

I think this is the top offer. Imagine NOP can get a 2025 first but none with the variance of this pick.

I agree with Chuck about the fit, I’d probably want to avoid that and find a way to make this a Bridges based package. But it can wait til next season.

CLT’s tax space does open up the ability to offer Ingram a really big two year deal or front loaded/flat deal.. I don’t see Ingram getting a max, so think there’s some wiggle room there.

I think you have to assume Ingram is getting 40-50 million, ideally closer to the 40 number which either way is probably too much money. That is why he is so cheap to acquire, I really don't have an issue with keeping Bridges who is under contract for
27 this year, 25 next and 22 his final year.

However, with Charlotte core of Melo, Miller, Bridges and Williams only making 81 million next year they can afford to overpay for the talent. Especially if they add another cheap performer with a top 5 pick in this years draft.

[LarsV8]

Does Charlotte have cap space in the offseason?

Best offer likely comes from team who is comfortable paying the new contract, but doesn't have cap space.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I’m not sure of the trade, but would like to see Detroit go for it as a buy low option. They’re in need of another ball handler and if the price is low enough it might be worth the gamble (especially they’re hell bent on making the playoffs this season).

[JMAC3]

Does Charlotte have cap space in the offseason?

Best offer likely comes from team who is comfortable paying the new contract, but doesn't have cap space.

Yes and no, the most they probably get to is around 25 million, but that requires them moving on from some non-guaranteed guys and Tre Mann as a RFA. That is why it probably is best to acquire a guy like Ingram now because that allows them more flexibility.

[jayjaysee]

I think this is the top offer. Imagine NOP can get a 2025 first but none with the variance of this pick.

I agree with Chuck about the fit, I’d probably want to avoid that and find a way to make this a Bridges based package. But it can wait til next season.

CLT’s tax space does open up the ability to offer Ingram a really big two year deal or front loaded/flat deal.. I don’t see Ingram getting a max, so think there’s some wiggle room there.

I think you have to assume Ingram is getting 40-50 million, ideally closer to the 40 number which either way is probably too much money. That is why he is so cheap to acquire, I really don't have an issue with keeping Bridges who is under contract for
27 this year, 25 next and 22 his final year.

However, with Charlotte core of Melo, Miller, Bridges and Williams only making 81 million next year they can afford to overpay for the talent. Especially if they add another cheap performer with a top 5 pick in this years draft.

Yeah, that’s what I was suggesting. He’s not getting a max IMO.

Which gives CLT the ability to set up the first two years larger than the back two for once Miller is paid..

Even give him a 5th year player option that goes with that front loaded deal.. would not be fully front loaded, but some value to be made there

[JMAC3]

I’m not sure of the trade, but would like to see Detroit go for it as a buy low option. They’re in need of another ball handler and if the price is low enough it might be worth the gamble (especially they’re hell bent on making the playoffs this season).

Yeah I agree with Detroit, but they are actually -1 first without any bonus first from other teams.
Charlotte is living in a +2 first situation which makes moving one for Ingram a lot easier.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I’m not sure of the trade, but would like to see Detroit go for it as a buy low option. They’re in need of another ball handler and if the price is low enough it might be worth the gamble (especially they’re hell bent on making the playoffs this season).

Yeah I agree with Detroit, but they are actually -1 first without any bonus first from other teams.
Charlotte is living in a +2 first situation which makes moving one for Ingram a lot easier.

Charlotte is in arms reach of Cooper, why in the world would they want to mess that up?

[Texas Chuck]

I’m not sure of the trade, but would like to see Detroit go for it as a buy low option. They’re in need of another ball handler and if the price is low enough it might be worth the gamble (especially they’re hell bent on making the playoffs this season).

Yeah I agree with Detroit, but they are actually -1 first without any bonus first from other teams.
Charlotte is living in a +2 first situation which makes moving one for Ingram a lot easier.

Charlotte is in arms reach of Cooper, why in the world would they want to mess that up?

BI is currently hurt and has never shown he's a floor raiser. And their defense might somehow get even worse. There is no danger to Charlotte of bringing him in and suddenly they are winning a bunch of games.

[JMAC3]

I’m not sure of the trade, but would like to see Detroit go for it as a buy low option. They’re in need of another ball handler and if the price is low enough it might be worth the gamble (especially they’re hell bent on making the playoffs this season).

Yeah I agree with Detroit, but they are actually -1 first without any bonus first from other teams.
Charlotte is living in a +2 first situation which makes moving one for Ingram a lot easier.

Charlotte is in arms reach of Cooper, why in the world would they want to mess that up?

Ingram isn't even playing right now. Charlotte has been treating Melo, Bridges, Mark W with kid gloves as they manage the tank. Brandon Miller is also out for the year now with wrist surgery.

I think it would be pretty easy to walk that line of tanking and also seeing how some of these lineups mesh the rest of the way.

This is about maneuvering the cap now vs this summer and just acquiring long term talent. Less about trying to win this year.

[JMAC3]

Yeah I agree with Detroit, but they are actually -1 first without any bonus first from other teams.
Charlotte is living in a +2 first situation which makes moving one for Ingram a lot easier.

Charlotte is in arms reach of Cooper, why in the world would they want to mess that up?

BI is currently hurt and has never shown he's a floor raiser. And their defense might somehow get even worse. There is no danger to Charlotte of bringing him in and suddenly they are winning a bunch of games.

Charlotte is actually decent on defense this year by Def Rating.
14th in Def Rating. (#4 over last 15 games)
28th in Off Rating.

[pipfan]

CWhite, Giddy, PWill, Port 1st for BI?

I DON'T like this trade for my Bulls, but if we don't tank-we should get better
Ayo/Ball/Carter
Lavine/Ball/Duarte
BI/Matas/Terry
Craig/Phillips/Smith
Vuc/Smith

[babyjax13]

Great idea, I love it!

My other thought for Ingram was Washington. I don't know if New Orleans would be interested in Kuzma + filler + 2nds as a package - and it is not as good as this one - but if they want injury insurance for Zion and to be off Ingram maybe it works.

[GoBobs]

You have teams like the Nets with tons of cap space. No reason for them not to outbid everyone else in free agency. It would be a waste of assets.

[Texas Chuck]

You have teams like the Nets with tons of cap space. No reason for them not to outbid everyone else in free agency. It would be a waste of assets.

You have team like the Nets. Singular. And the Nets would be foolish to use that cap space on him. Makes way more sense for a team like Charlotte to do early free agency like this. Net's are in a unique position, you don't give that up to be the team that overpays BI. But when it doesn't come with the opportunity cost, its a better bet.