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Lakers go all-in.

Version 1.
Kessler. Believed to be unavailable, but maybe Ainge is just pissed that Rob Pelinka is trying to lowball them. Kessler is fine, but his timeline in terms of next contract might be a bit off. I think removal of protection on the LA-pick they own + additional uprotected first could get it done. Hayes goes out as filler.

Lonzo. Rui+JHS+SRP. Lonzo is gone in the summer. Bulls kick tires on JHS, get a SRP and test Rui as a potential long-term option.

Dosunmu. Knecht+SRP+filler. Dosunmu is solid and on a good deal. Will get expensive before Bulls become relevant, so Bulls get a promising rookie on a long deal to replace him.

The Bulls deal could be made as one deal and be swetened with either a protected FRP or swap.

Reaves – Lonzo – DFS – Lebron – AD
Dosunmu – Gabe – Christie – Vando – Kessler


Now if Utah doesn't bit some of the draft capital could be used along with Gabe (who'd be the odd man out anyway) in a deal to acquire another C - Olynyk, Timelord or mabe Larry Nance Jr.

Thoughts?

Lakers fans are convinced they are getting Kessler for non lottery picks and roster filler. The Jazz already have a million draft picks in that range and already consolidated a few to Phoenix. Kessler is 23 years old, so I'm not sure where that timeline thing comes from. It's not going to happen, Lakers fans.

Yeah I’m pretty confident Kessler isn’t happening

Lonzo is nice in a vacuum, but that contract is steep for what he is. I’d probably more be interested in a package involving two or all of Dosunmu/Smith/Craig, if it’s at all possible (Rui + Knecht + 2028 slightly protected swap for those three?)

I still don't understand why anyone thinks the Jazz will help Lakers get better when we have their pick in 27, yes it's top 4 protected, but still.......

BigGargamel wrote:Lakers fans are convinced they are getting Kessler for non lottery picks and roster filler. The Jazz already have a million draft picks in that range and already consolidated a few to Phoenix. Kessler is 23 years old, so I'm not sure where that timeline thing comes from. It's not going to happen, Lakers fans.

I'm not convinced at all that the Lakers are getting Kessler. More likely they wet the bed and owerpay for Jonas Valenciunas.

The picks in a stacked west would be high variance and be quite valuable as the Lakers easily could be in the lottery. Both in 27 and even more likely in 29 post lebron/AD.

BigGargamel wrote:Lakers fans are convinced they are getting Kessler for non lottery picks and roster filler. The Jazz already have a million draft picks in that range and already consolidated a few to Phoenix. Kessler is 23 years old, so I'm not sure where that timeline thing comes from. It's not going to happen, Lakers fans.

The OP offered to unprotect a pick and another unprotected pick. Both post Lebron and probably post AD. Can you tell me how you know those unprotected picks are non-lottery? And can you tell me how all Lakers fans think something that not one of them has posted itt but instead you invented out of thin air?

Stop generalizing fanbases with arguments you made up for them. That is lame AF.

DanishLakerFan wrote:Kessler. Believed to be unavailable, but maybe Ainge is just pissed that Rob Pelinka is trying to lowball them. Kessler is fine, but his timeline in terms of next contract might be a bit off. I think removal of protection on the LA-pick they own + additional uprotected first could get it done. Hayes goes out as filler.

Based on everything we're hearing now, I have no reason to believe that this gets it done for Kessler. Smitty made an apt comment yesterday on his pod, saying that the extremely high value that the Jazz are placing on him is telling teams to stop asking without actually saying "stop asking".

Nor do I think that the Lakers should up their offer. It's best left as an impasse.

Version 1 is the same tired old rehash return for either Vucevic or part of Lavine that still doesn't look good to the Bulls.

Yet you're willing to give that up for less than 40 games of Lonzo Ball. Obviously you've seen how well Lonzo is playing, that's why the Bulls wold just as soon hold onto him and then resign him. This will sound razy but when teamed with Josh Giddey, Giddey's defense is actually acceptable so if that pairing works the Bulls have a deep PG situation. As Buzelis gets more experience Rui becomes less needed next year as the kid gets in the weight room and plays another summer league they don;t want to hold him back for a mediocre veteran.

Dosunmu is not a problem for the Bulls. If they end up keeping Lavine, White Giddey, THT and maybe even Ball then there are NO minutes to take a look at JHS. So you start on a false premise. That SRP isn't much and whatever filler you think is needed would need to get released

ChettheJet wrote:Version 1 is the same tired old rehash return for either Vucevic or part of Lavine that still doesn't look good to the Bulls.

Yet you're willing to give that up for less than 40 games of Lonzo Ball. Obviously you've seen how well Lonzo is playing, that's why the Bulls wold just as soon hold onto him and then resign him. This will sound razy but when teamed with Josh Giddey, Giddey's defense is actually acceptable so if that pairing works the Bulls have a deep PG situation. As Buzelis gets more experience Rui becomes less needed next year as the kid gets in the weight room and plays another summer league they don;t want to hold him back for a mediocre veteran.

Dosunmu is not a problem for the Bulls. If they end up keeping Lavine, White Giddey, THT and maybe even Ball then there are NO minutes to take a look at JHS. So you start on a false premise. That SRP isn't much and whatever filler you think is needed would need to get released

Isn’t Buzelis (and even PAW) more SF than PF? Rui’s a PF being played as a SF in the Lakers system, if he’s used at his natural position I don’t think he’d be too dangerous for Buzelis’ development

ChettheJet wrote:Version 1 is the same tired old rehash return for either Vucevic or part of Lavine that still doesn't look good to the Bulls.

Yet you're willing to give that up for less than 40 games of Lonzo Ball. Obviously you've seen how well Lonzo is playing, that's why the Bulls wold just as soon hold onto him and then resign him. This will sound razy but when teamed with Josh Giddey, Giddey's defense is actually acceptable so if that pairing works the Bulls have a deep PG situation. As Buzelis gets more experience Rui becomes less needed next year as the kid gets in the weight room and plays another summer league they don;t want to hold him back for a mediocre veteran.

Dosunmu is not a problem for the Bulls. If they end up keeping Lavine, White Giddey, THT and maybe even Ball then there are NO minutes to take a look at JHS. So you start on a false premise. That SRP isn't much and whatever filler you think is needed would need to get released

My premise is that the Bulls are in somewhat of a rebuild and Lonzo, Ayo and Vuc likely isnt there beyond next season.

Texas Chuck wrote:

BigGargamel wrote:Lakers fans are convinced they are getting Kessler for non lottery picks and roster filler. The Jazz already have a million draft picks in that range and already consolidated a few to Phoenix. Kessler is 23 years old, so I'm not sure where that timeline thing comes from. It's not going to happen, Lakers fans.

The OP offered to unprotect a pick and another unprotected pick. Both post Lebron and probably post AD. Can you tell me how you know those unprotected picks are non-lottery? And can you tell me how all Lakers fans think something that not one of them has posted itt but instead you invented out of thin air?

Stop generalizing fanbases with arguments you made up for them. That is lame AF.

Unless I am mistaken he offered one pick and removing protections on a pick we already owe. That 2027 pick is not likely to be in the top 4. So it’s most likely one pick. And giving LA Kessler means the 27 and possibly the 29 pick will be lower so the Jazz are devaluing the pick they already owe. If LA wants Kessler it’s going to take us protecting the pick, a 29 unprotected, and probably one more unprotected or lightly protected pick. Maybe LA could don’t draft swap rights instead of a third pick, but there is no way just removing the protections on the 27 and one pick will get Kessler. If it was enough I think the trade would have happened a long time ago.

For those who don't know, talks between Utah and Lakers have been happening FOR REAL since b4 the season and still are, this Is why many Laker fans myself Included want Kessler; A Young Center, small contract, rebounds, blocks shots, plays great defense - Perfect fit, can come off the bench while Bron Is here give both rest, can start post Bron next to AD etc, can be your center for the next 10 years.

With the return of Vando and having DFS the missing pieces Is now a Defensive Center (not Jonas lol) and another guard

Kessler Alone Isn't worth 2 pics In my Opinion which Is why I'm sold on getting

Kessler/Sexton, for Knecht/JHS/Rui and 2 unprotected pics ... This Is the Lakers Post Bron someone will come and Lakers should be able to get another star eventually to team with AD and the rest

I'm not sold on bringing Lonzo back, too INjury prone

The reason why the talks haven't happened between the two teams Is because o the unprotetion stuff, Lakers keep offereing top5 pic etc and Utah want unprotected pics.

I mean Utah is having no issues losing games with Kessler. But somehow LA without Lebron/AD or assets to replace them are going to be so good with Kessler and a mystery box to guarantee a non-lottery pick? Cmon now, we can't say that.

And I said nothing about if Utah should take that offer(though they should). I simply asked him not to invent fake offers that were never made and use them to generalize a fanbase. And I'm going to stand by that position.

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean Utah is having no issues losing games with Kessler. But somehow LA without Lebron/AD or assets to replace them are going to be so good with Kessler and a mystery box to guarantee a non-lottery pick? Cmon now, we can't say that.

And I said nothing about if Utah should take that offer(though they should). I simply asked him not to invent fake offers that were never made and use them to generalize a fanbase. And I'm going to stand by that position.

All is good I wasn't having ago at you or anyone for that matter just point out what's been going on for real

Utah have wanted JHS in the past and now want Knecht, there have been no other team "as of yet" that I'm aware of that other teams have offered 2 pics for Kessler. I guess why they're talking to each other. Lakers just have to remove the protection stuff on the pics

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean Utah is having no issues losing games with Kessler. But somehow LA without Lebron/AD or assets to replace them are going to be so good with Kessler and a mystery box to guarantee a non-lottery pick? Cmon now, we can't say that.

And I said nothing about if Utah should take that offer(though they should). I simply asked him not to invent fake offers that were never made and use them to generalize a fanbase. And I'm going to stand by that position.

Orlando is having no issues losing games with Banchero; a sub .500 record overall this season and 2-7 in the games since he returned from injury. He can't possibly be good enough to carry a team.

Or maybe there are other factors at play.

KuzControl wrote:Yeah I’m pretty confident Kessler isn’t happening

You can still hope and dream about it.

Utah don't have to trade him just yet, they have up until next trade season I believe, never say never in the NBA

SkyHook wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I mean Utah is having no issues losing games with Kessler. But somehow LA without Lebron/AD or assets to replace them are going to be so good with Kessler and a mystery box to guarantee a non-lottery pick? Cmon now, we can't say that.

And I said nothing about if Utah should take that offer(though they should). I simply asked him not to invent fake offers that were never made and use them to generalize a fanbase. And I'm going to stand by that position.

Orlando is having no issues losing games with Banchero; a sub .500 record overall this season and 2-7 in the games since he returned from injury. He can't possibly be good enough to carry a team.

Or maybe there are other factors at play.

Yes. My whole point.

Again the post I was responding to called the unprotecting of the existing owed pick and the new unprotected pick and the only even half-ass attempt at justifying what can't possibly be justified was well now they have Kessler so of course they will be good.

But we can see you can have Kessler, having by all Jazz fans accounts a great year, and still be terrible (Jazz have the 2nd worst record in the entire Association).

That's it.

Not Kessler sucks. Not Kessler sucks because the Jazz team record is no good.

Not Kessler isn't a keeper.

Just we shouldnt' call unprotected picks years away non-lotto picks. Especially not from a team who will have traded away a bunch of assets and their two stars will be gone...