LAL/IND

[dcstanley]

LAL in: Benedict Mathurin
IND in: JHS, Reddish, Wood, 2028 LAL pick swap, 2029 unprotected LAL FRP

Lakers supplement their bench with a young wing scorer

Indiana trades Mathurin for expirings and potentially valuable draft capital.

[Scoot McGroot]

Absolutely not from Indy. Just horrible for the Pacers here. Nesmith is a major 3 and D wing locked up that is hard to give up for Cam, but you added in Mathurin, Jackson, and a 1st?

I hate to say stuff like this, but do you just not know much about these Indy players/pieces?

Edit: for clarity, this response was to the original post, which was a different deal that had Indy sending out Mathurin, Nesmith, Jackson, and a future 1st for Cam Johnson.

[dcstanley]

Absolutely not from Indy. Just horrible for the Pacers here. Nesmith is a major 3 and D wing locked up that is hard to give up for Cam, but you added in Mathurin, Jackson, and a 1st?

I hate to say stuff like this, but do you just not know much about these Indy players/pieces?

I edited the original post. I viewed Jackson as salary tbh, that was a miss. And I've seen reports of Indy shopping both Mathurin and Nesmith and targeting Johnson.

How's the new conceit? Mathurin for expiring salary plus draft capital. Should help Indiana re-sign Turner as well.

[Boneman2]

the Pacers wouldn’t pull the trigger on this. Pick swap is mid at best.

[BigGargamel]

Mathurin isn't an All Star but is a 22 year old former top ten pick. I'm gonna assume OP is a Lakers fan and pay this one no more mind.

[jowglenn]

Counter-offer:

Myles Turner, Obi Toppin, Bennedict Mathurin, 2028 1st

for

Anthony Davis

Why for Lakers: move on from the current incarnation without tanking - get back solid players in Turner, Toppin, Mathurin (who is only 22 and is on the rise) and a 1st.

Why for Pacers: Go for it

[Scoot McGroot]

Absolutely not from Indy. Just horrible for the Pacers here. Nesmith is a major 3 and D wing locked up that is hard to give up for Cam, but you added in Mathurin, Jackson, and a 1st?

I hate to say stuff like this, but do you just not know much about these Indy players/pieces?

I edited the original post. I viewed Jackson as salary tbh, that was a miss. And I've seen reports of Indy shopping both Mathurin and Nesmith and targeting Johnson.

How's the new conceit? Mathurin for expiring salary plus draft capital. Should help Indiana re-sign Turner as well.

It puts Indy solidly into the tax , and Indy doesn’t have roster space to do a 1 for 3, so it’s an immediate no go.

[ReggiesKnicks]

LAL in: Benedict Mathurin
IND in: JHS, Reddish, Wood, 2028 LAL pick swap, 2029 lightly protected LAL FRP

Lakers supplement their bench with a young wing scorer

Indiana trades Mathurin for expirings and potentially valuable draft capital.

The term "expirings" gets thrown around on reddit and other boards and I am seeing it here. Expirings don't hold value unless compared and contrasted to something different, like a multi-year contract. In that scenario, expirings can be viewed as having value greater than a multi-year deal when the flexibility or cap space is positively viewed.

Trading a good young cornerstone, not centerpiece, in Bennedict for the buzz word "expiring" doesn't track in perceived value or assessment of a good young player. Trading a good young cornerstone for a potentially valuable draft capital 5 years down the road when the Pacers are actively playing for and competing for the 4th seed in the eastern conference playoff picture leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Unfortunately for the LA LeBrons, their 3 expiring contracts hold no value as expirings in a deal like this.

As a Pacers fan, I will be the first to admit Bennedict isn't projected to be the same player he was viewed as following his rookie contract, but he still projects as a low-end starter on a championship caliber team. If you are less bullish on Benn, restricted free agency exists for a team in Indiana's position to let Benn explore his market but still have control over the situation as a franchise.

The Lakers are an interesting team as the deadline approaches but Indiana is a team who is trying to upgrade every bit as much as the Lakers and the entire premise of us Pacers selling at the deadline makes less than no sense.

Obi is a player the Pacers would be willing to sell. His contract is borderline bad considering its length and the level of player Obi is but he can contribute to winning basketball, a decent shooter with good athleticism and mediocre defense. This type of deal likely needs a 3rd team but it's possible. Benn in the deal seems dead.

[zimpy27]

A deal for Mathurin starts with Knecht.
JHS to a 3rd team works, Pacers stay out of the tax.

[KuzControl]

Yeah Knecht is the guy that you offer here. Cost-controlled for longer

Not sure what else they’d need though

[nzahir]

LAL in: Benedict Mathurin
IND in: JHS, Reddish, Wood, 2028 LAL pick swap, 2029 lightly protected LAL FRP

Lakers supplement their bench with a young wing scorer

Indiana trades Mathurin for expirings and potentially valuable draft capital.

The term "expirings" gets thrown around on reddit and other boards and I am seeing it here. Expirings don't hold value unless compared and contrasted to something different, like a multi-year contract. In that scenario, expirings can be viewed as having value greater than a multi-year deal when the flexibility or cap space is positively viewed.

Trading a good young cornerstone, not centerpiece, in Bennedict for the buzz word "expiring" doesn't track in perceived value or assessment of a good young player. Trading a good young cornerstone for a potentially valuable draft capital 5 years down the road when the Pacers are actively playing for and competing for the 4th seed in the eastern conference playoff picture leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Unfortunately for the LA LeBrons, their 3 expiring contracts hold no value as expirings in a deal like this.

As a Pacers fan, I will be the first to admit Bennedict isn't projected to be the same player he was viewed as following his rookie contract, but he still projects as a low-end starter on a championship caliber team. If you are less bullish on Benn, restricted free agency exists for a team in Indiana's position to let Benn explore his market but still have control over the situation as a franchise.

The Lakers are an interesting team as the deadline approaches but Indiana is a team who is trying to upgrade every bit as much as the Lakers and the entire premise of us Pacers selling at the deadline makes less than no sense.

Obi is a player the Pacers would be willing to sell. His contract is borderline bad considering its length and the level of player Obi is but he can contribute to winning basketball, a decent shooter with good athleticism and mediocre defense. This type of deal likely needs a 3rd team but it's possible. Benn in the deal seems dead.

Can Mathurin playmake?

Why is Indi possivbly even wanting to move him?

Still prefer Turner from you guys

Not sure what your guys end game is though, I know Indy doesnt like to rebuild, but feels like you guys dont have enough to really compete

[Scoot McGroot]

LAL in: Benedict Mathurin
IND in: JHS, Reddish, Wood, 2028 LAL pick swap, 2029 lightly protected LAL FRP

Lakers supplement their bench with a young wing scorer

Indiana trades Mathurin for expirings and potentially valuable draft capital.

The term "expirings" gets thrown around on reddit and other boards and I am seeing it here. Expirings don't hold value unless compared and contrasted to something different, like a multi-year contract. In that scenario, expirings can be viewed as having value greater than a multi-year deal when the flexibility or cap space is positively viewed.

Trading a good young cornerstone, not centerpiece, in Bennedict for the buzz word "expiring" doesn't track in perceived value or assessment of a good young player. Trading a good young cornerstone for a potentially valuable draft capital 5 years down the road when the Pacers are actively playing for and competing for the 4th seed in the eastern conference playoff picture leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Unfortunately for the LA LeBrons, their 3 expiring contracts hold no value as expirings in a deal like this.

As a Pacers fan, I will be the first to admit Bennedict isn't projected to be the same player he was viewed as following his rookie contract, but he still projects as a low-end starter on a championship caliber team. If you are less bullish on Benn, restricted free agency exists for a team in Indiana's position to let Benn explore his market but still have control over the situation as a franchise.

The Lakers are an interesting team as the deadline approaches but Indiana is a team who is trying to upgrade every bit as much as the Lakers and the entire premise of us Pacers selling at the deadline makes less than no sense.

Obi is a player the Pacers would be willing to sell. His contract is borderline bad considering its length and the level of player Obi is but he can contribute to winning basketball, a decent shooter with good athleticism and mediocre defense. This type of deal likely needs a 3rd team but it's possible. Benn in the deal seems dead.

Can Mathurin playmake?

Why is Indi possivbly even wanting to move him?

We hit insanely well on Nembhard as the guard pairing of the future with Haliburton. We also hit very well on Nesmith and Ben Sheppard. And since acquiring Siakam, Walker has been starting to prove himself a long term contributor at the 3. Add in that we play a ton of 2 PG lineups, and there’s just less need for a dynamic scoring 2 guard like Mathurin.

Still prefer Turner from you guys

I’m sure, but we need him too!

Not sure what your guys end game is though, I know Indy doesnt like to rebuild, but feels like you guys dont have enough to really compete

Have you looked at what Indy has been doing since Haliburton’s hamstring healed? They’re 15-5 over the last 20, and healing up while having one of the easiest schedules remaining. And in a 7 game series, I’d give this team a chance against anyone.

Seems like this Pacers team is still improving. And has all but one of their 1sts in trade to improve the lineup. Seems like they’re still very much “ascending” rather than “tear it down to restart”,

But really, if you think Indy is in a tough spot, the Lakers are even worse so, no?

[brackdan70]

Indy is on the upswing with great young players. LA is on the downswing. This trade seems backwards. I don’t like it all for Indy.

[daoneandonly]

How does this benefit Indy at all?

[Skybox]

How does this benefit Indy at all?

Like many LAL proposals...that's not one of the factors in the math

[Astaluego]

I think this change doesn't make sense for Indiana.. Nesmith/Mathurin for J.Mcdaniels?

[Scoot McGroot]

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Looks like Woike is reporting Indy would likely want a good player and a 1st for Mathurin.

[SkyHook]

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Looks like Woike is reporting Indy would likely want a good player and a 1st for Mathurin.

What kind of player would the Pacers target in return?

[Scoot McGroot]

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Looks like Woike is reporting Indy would likely want a good player and a 1st for Mathurin.

What kind of player would the Pacers target in return?

Don't know. At the least, it'd have to be cost controlled. But it's tough to see the outline. Probably a SF or combo forward? It's possible a center.

But for guards, Indy has locked up for multiple years Haliburton and Nembhard as their starters, and then McConnell and Ben Sheppard/Aaron Nesmith. At SF, Indy (if dealing Mathurin) would still have Jarace Walker, and then all of the guards, as Sheppard/Nesmith are SG/SF, and Indy often plays 3 guard lineups, too. Johnny Furphy looks quite worthy of development at SF, too. PF would be Siakam carrying the majority of the role, with Jarace Walker and Obi Toppin there, too. Center hopefully has Myles long-term if re-signed, and hopefully a rehabbing Isaiah Jackson. Maybe a Thomas Bryant can be kept to help bridge Jackson back to health?

Add in that Indy has essentially all their 1sts (except for a top 4 protected 1st in 2026 owed to Toronto to finish the Siakam deal). There's not a ton of roster spots, and not a simple slot to fill....could always use a big combo forward type, but every team wants those, and Jarace Walker is really starting to show out there.

Sorry for the confusing answer, but there's no real easy answer?

[Scoot McGroot]

I think this change doesn't make sense for Indiana.. Nesmith/Mathurin for J.Mcdaniels?

I personally like McDaniels. He's a better defender than Nesmith and a little bigger, though he's pretty inconsistent offensively, while Nesmith is a solid slasher and 3 point shooter. But, locking up the extra salary in McDaniels is tough to do, and this deal specifically would put Indy in the tax this year, so a no go.