Tor / Phx

[Duffman100]

Boucher for Nurkic and 1st

Phx gets an expiring bench player who can produce and get out next year of Nurkic
Raps get a 1st for Boucher (which is great) and eat Nurkic's contract.

edit: changed brown to boucher since I was told Phx. can't take back more salary.

[BBallFreak]

I don't think Phoenix cares enough about savings to do this. They have bigger goals that are likely unrealistic, but that's neither here nor there. They're not trading a first to save a bit of cash.

[Duffman100]

I don't think Phoenix cares enough about savings to do this. They have bigger goals that are likely unrealistic, but that's neither here nor there. They're not trading a first to save a bit of cash.

Was basing it off this tweet.

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[BBallFreak]

I don't think Phoenix cares enough about savings to do this. They have bigger goals that are likely unrealistic, but that's neither here nor there. They're not trading a first to save a bit of cash.

Was basing it off this tweet.

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Do you honestly think this is about savings? Or are they trying to get a better player? I think the answer is pretty obvious based on everything they've done since Ishibia took over the team.

[Duffman100]

I don't think Phoenix cares enough about savings to do this. They have bigger goals that are likely unrealistic, but that's neither here nor there. They're not trading a first to save a bit of cash.

Was basing it off this tweet.

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Do you honestly think this is about savings? Or are they trying to get a better player? I think the answer is pretty obvious based on everything they've done since Ishibia took over the team.

I don't think a late first and asking a team to eat a 20 million dollar next year is going to get them a much better player.

[BBallFreak]

Was basing it off this tweet.

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Do you honestly think this is about savings? Or are they trying to get a better player? I think the answer is pretty obvious based on everything they've done since Ishibia took over the team.

I don't think a late first and asking a team to eat a 20 million dollar next year is going to get them a much better player.

I think you're wrong. I think they'll take back bad money for a player they like. They're not just offloading, here. There's no way.

[Duffman100]

Do you honestly think this is about savings? Or are they trying to get a better player? I think the answer is pretty obvious based on everything they've done since Ishibia took over the team.

I don't think a late first and asking a team to eat a 20 million dollar next year is going to get them a much better player.

I think you're wrong. I think they'll take back bad money for a player they like. They're not just offloading, here. There's no way.

It's not so much I'm wrong, but Evan Sidery But I hear you.

[oldncreaky]

TOR should do this. Not only do they get a FRP for an expiring Boucher, but it helps the tank this year. Cap wise it fits this year and next (although TOR would probably have to pass on using the NTMLE in July)

PHO should do this. They may be suffering from delusions that they can compete, but reality says otherwise

[jbk1234]

Does this put the Raptors into the tax?

[oldncreaky]

Does this put the Raptors into the tax?

No (tried it on spotrac to verify)

It uses up $7.3 of the $9.9M TOR has under the luxury tax. They'd even have an open roster spot and enough room to convert Battle from a 2-way to a regular contract

[ReggiesKnicks]

boucher, mitchell for nurkic, 1st

[Duffman100]

boucher, mitchell for nurkic, 1st

I'm good with that too.

[Texas Chuck]

If Boucher agrees to say a 2 year extension at similar money as part of this, then okay. I also think they should get to call around the league and see what players are available for free than fit in the delta between Nurk's money and Boucher's. And if that player costs a future 2nd, Toronto should gladly pay it. If not the Suns can just take the 8 figures of real money savings.

Without an extension I like it less as I agree with Freak, the goal is to use Nurk to get help, not dump his final year.

[islandboy53]

"Whether or not the Suns and Hawks can find common ground on a deal that would send Bogdanovic to Phoenix revolves around where Nurkic could potentially end up. It isn't expected that the Hawks would be taking on Nurkic's contract, which would make this scenario involve at least one more team.

The Washington Wizards, Charlotte Hornets, Detroit Pistons, and Toronto Raptors are all organizations that have signaled to rival teams that they are willing to take on contracts for draft capital at the trade deadline."

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[Texas Chuck]

Bogdan is a really weird target. Even if they think they have a Beal taker, just give Allen back starter's minutes like he should have.

[Godaddycurse]

Bogdan is a really weird target. Even if they think they have a Beal taker, just give Allen back starter's minutes like he should have.

unless allen is outgoing too... the plot thickens

[oldncreaky]

If Boucher agrees to say a 2 year extension at similar money as part of this, then okay. I also think they should get to call around the league and see what players are available for free than fit in the delta between Nurk's money and Boucher's. And if that player costs a future 2nd, Toronto should gladly pay it. If not the Suns can just take the 8 figures of real money savings.

Without an extension I like it less as I agree with Freak, the goal is to use Nurk to get help, not dump his final year.

I'd be cautious about extending Boucher. He's having a good stretch of games, but he's had those before, and it has usually taken him awhile to learn/adjust to new schemes and teammates so I have no idea how he'd look in PHO. I can see him being moved as a rental, or as a money move, but Boucher is still the player he has always been: long, energetic and often maddeningly inconsistent.

I know I am suggesting something that Ishbia just won't do, but as I said above, I think PHO should accept reality. For PHO, they will probably hold on to the various "trade Beal for Jimmy" scenarios until the dealine Could this Nurkic-for-Boucher idea help with that? Probably the only way it becomes likely.

Maybe if they can't get Jimmy, and can't move Beal, does PHO do this to save money, possibly flipping Boucher for a minor asset and/or saving even more money?

[oldncreaky]

Bogdan is a really weird target. Even if they think they have a Beal taker, just give Allen back starter's minutes like he should have.

unless allen is outgoing too... the plot thickens

Allen in DET makes some sense, and DET would have to send back a semi-useful guy (probably Fontecchio) to make the money work, and might offer up a batch of SRPs to grease other wheels

But yeah, I have Bogdan as about the last type of player PHO needs to add

[They_Them_Hatin]

I would do this trade in a heart beat. Especially if it’s for 2025 1st.

[Tallred23]

If im Toronto I do this in a heartbeat. However Phoenix wouldn’t be interested in any of this. They could care less about any cap savings. Their owner is like the Joker from The Dark Knight when he burns the Mob’s pile of cash, it isn’t about money it’s about sending a message. And the message is that he’s win-now all the way to his deathbed. He seems determined to go all-in max bet every hand. Obviously we could argue that this is a bad idea but it doesn’t matter, it’s the path they have chosen.

The other thing is that Bogdan is the last type of player on Earth they would pursue. Booker, Beal, and Allen are all that type of player but better, there’s zero need for that. They need 4’s and 5’s, no more guards