Combining Rumors - Kings - Heat - Bucks - Suns

The Beam King · Post #1 » by **The Beam King** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:34 pm

Kings deal: DeAaron Fox, Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones
Kings receive: Tyler Herro, Brook Lopez, Kalel Ware, (3 late 1st picks from the Suns via Jazz)

Heat deal: Jimmy Butler, Tyler Herro, Kale'l Ware
Heat receive: DeAaron Fox, Khris Middleton, Kevin Huerter

Suns deal: Bradley Beal, Jusuf Nurkic, Ryan Dunn(3 picks from Jazz)
Suns receive: Jimmy Butler, Bobby Portis, Colby Jones

Bucks deal: Khris Middleton, Bobby Portis, Brooke Lopez
Bucks receive: Bradley Beal, Jusuf Nurkic, Ryan Dunn

Kings re tool on the fly and gain some draft capital for future flexibility

Heat move on from the Jimmy Saga and keep a strong nucleus intake to surround Fox with

Suns get Jimmy Butler

Bucks maneuver to improve their starting line-up around Giannis.

Post #2 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:35 pm

Ware isn't available. Sticking point

The Beam King · Post #3 » by **The Beam King** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:37 pm

BBallFreak wrote:Ware isn't available. Sticking point

I would view Ware as the principle piece in a Fox to Miami scenario. If that's the case. Then fox will likely head elsewhere.

Post #4 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:39 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Ware isn't available. Sticking point

I would view Ware as the principle piece in a Fox to Miami scenario. If that's the case. Then fox will likely head elsewhere.

That's okay. We'll keep Herro and Ware and be just fine with Fox going to San Antonio.

daoneandonly · Post #5 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:43 pm

Kings wont be able to attain that much and conveniently unload Hueter in the process

The Beam King · Post #6 » by **The Beam King** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:46 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Kings wont be able to attain that much and conveniently unload Hueter in the process

He's just salary filler here. But if you want all the min salary contracts to go instead with Trey Lyles that's fine too. Figure Huerter would fill more of a role there.

Post #7 » by **oldncreaky** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:37 pm

I think MIL is the first team to say no

M-C-G · Post #8 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:44 pm

So Suns need to use 3 picks to unload Beal only to have none of those end up in MKE. I like Dunn but pass, hard pass.

The Beam King · Post #9 » by **The Beam King** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:50 pm

oldncreaky wrote:I think MIL is the first team to say no

Funny, not that this means anything, but the trade check gave Milwaukee the most win share improvement of the trade. Then Miami. Then sacramento. Phoenix was low man on the totem pole in terms of win share improvement. FWIW.

Bad Bart · Post #10 » by **Bad Bart** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:53 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:Kings deal: DeAaron Fox, Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones
Kings receive: Tyler Herro, Brook Lopez, Kalel Ware, (3 late 1st picks from the Suns via Jazz)

Heat deal: Jimmy Butler, Tyler Herro, Kale'l Ware
Heat receive: DeAaron Fox, Khris Middleton, Kevin Huerter

Suns deal: Bradley Beal, Jusuf Nurkic, Ryan Dunn(3 picks from Jazz)
Suns receive: Jimmy Butler, Bobby Portis, Colby Jones

Bucks deal: Khris Middleton, Bobby Portis, Brooke Lopez
Bucks receive: Bradley Beal, Jusuf Nurkic, Ryan Dunn

Kings re tool on the fly and gain some draft capital for future flexibility

Heat move on from the Jimmy Saga and keep a strong nucleus intake to surround Fox with

Suns get Jimmy Butler

Bucks maneuver to improve their starting line-up around Giannis.

I really like this idea, seems reasonable for everyone.

Ron Swanson · Post #11 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:59 pm

Ryan Dunn by himself doesn't even begin to bridge the compensation gap for taking on all that awful money between Nurkic and Beal, let alone the Bucks also giving up two good players on expiring contracts (Portis and Lopez). This is just dreadful for Milwaukee.

Post #12 » by **oldncreaky** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:05 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:I think MIL is the first team to say no

Funny, not that this means anything, but the trade check gave Milwaukee the most win share improvement of the trade. Then Miami. Then sacramento. Phoenix was low man on the totem pole in terms of win share improvement. FWIW.

Whatever the trade machine numbers say rarely if ever takes account of real-life schemes. Giannis is a legit 1st team all-NBA, but he needs space. Take away MIL's stretch bigs Lopez and Portis and Giannis will have a lot harder time in a crowded paint.

Ron Swanson wrote:Ryan Dunn by himself doesn't even begin to bridge the compensation gap for taking on all that awful money between Nurkic and Beal, let alone the Bucks also giving up two good players on expiring contracts (Portis and Lopez). This is just dreadful for Milwaukee.

Agree that the money impact alone makes it a bad deal for MIL

SA37 · Post #13 » by **SA37** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:20 pm

Milwaukee and Phoenix can't aggregate salaries.

OGSactownballer · Post #14 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:27 pm

BBallFreak wrote:Ware isn't available. Sticking point

Per you.

I’m guessing Pat Riley might have a different take if he can get a star and move Jimmy. He has confidence in his own drafting ability.

OGSactownballer · Post #15 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:29 pm

daoneandonly wrote:Kings wont be able to attain that much and conveniently unload Hueter in the process

I agree.

We’d have to include Lyles as an expiring salary for someone and absorb some moderately bad salary back. As long as it’s playable depth I think that works.

JayMKE · Post #16 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:15 pm

I would seriously jump off a bridge if the Bucks did a deal like this. Can’t be fixed, not enough compensation that could be given to Bucks to make them accept the poo poo platter of Beal and Nurkic

Post #17 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:17 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Ware isn't available. Sticking point

Per you.

I’m guessing Pat Riley might have a different take if he can get a star and move Jimmy. He has confidence in his own drafting ability.

Per you, we should give him up. What's your point? And you want Herro and draft picks, too. I mean, it's insane. Trade him elsewhere.

LightTheBeam · Post #18 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:37 pm

Ya ultimately this is too much.

The 3 pieces that interest me the most are
Ware
Castle
Eason (since no chance in hell they move Amen).

I'd basically go to those 3 teams and say first to open up that guy + some picks wins. In miami case really provide value by helping facilitate the Butler deal and taking Beal if we really want to max assets.

If none of them bite so be in. Fox sticks around the next 4 months and we ask him his appetite to lose 80 million by hitting FA. He will need to consider more teams.

jayjaysee · Post #19 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:19 pm

Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Ware isn't available. Sticking point

I would view Ware as the principle piece in a Fox to Miami scenario. If that's the case. Then fox will likely head elsewhere.

Miami can offer 2 firsts, 2 swaps, Jovic, JJJ, Herro..

Ware isn’t needed?

LightTheBeam · Post #20 » by **LightTheBeam** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:16 am

jayjaysee wrote:
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:Ware isn't available. Sticking point

I would view Ware as the principle piece in a Fox to Miami scenario. If that's the case. Then fox will likely head elsewhere.

Miami can offer 2 firsts, 2 swaps, Jovic, JJJ, Herro..

Ware isn’t needed?

If that is their offer, I'm ready to move forward today.

Herro/Carter
Monk/Keon
Demar/JJJ
Keegan/Jovic
Sabonis

And we could still package Carter + Picks + Lyles + Huerter for something.

As a Kings fan I floated the idea of no Herro, Jovic, JJJ and just getting Ware/Beal + phx stuff. I was met with Ware is not going anywhere.

Does Miami really see Ware as more valuable than all those pieces combined?