Spurs get Nurkic with Suns & third team

[wemby]

This proposal piggybacks on the idea that the Suns are flipping Nurkic to a third team which sees him primarily as sallary ballast.
Basically the Spurs would insert themselves into whatever deal the Suns have in place, and take Nurkic while sending Zach Collins to that third team, which would give the Spurs a distressed but more talented center than Collins, and would give that third unnamed team (Wizards and the like) a similar but slightly smaller contract to Nurkic (save about 1.5 million a year) plus cash.

To make it clear:
Originally:
Suns IN: expirings / OUT: Nurkic and a first
Team X: IN: Nurkic and a first / OUT: expirings

Now (proposed deal):
Suns IN: expirings (from team X) / OUT: Nurkic (to Spurs) and a first (to team X)
Team X: IN: Zach Collins and cash (from Spurs) AND A FIRST (from the Suns) / OUT: expirings (to Suns)
Spurs: IN: Nurkic (from Suns) / OUT: Zach Collins and cash (to team X)

Why? The Suns remain unnafected, so no reason to justify.
Spurs turn a player who fell out of the main rotation into a similarly distressed but more talented replacement, who is a character guy and can at least provide some offense and playmaking, for a very small cost. If it doesn't work, no biggie.
The third team STILL GETS A FIRST but also a smaller contract (than Nurkic's) and cash, over what they would receive if Spurs weren't in the deal. And maybe they can rehabilitate Collins, who is younger than Nurkic.

I offer no extra draft compensation from the Spurs side (on top of the first the third team would already be getting from the Suns) because this is supposed to be a small improvement for the Spurs, who otherwise likely use Zach Collins as salary ballast next season. If that third team likes Nurkic then this proposal is dead. But if they see him as just a salary dump, they may prefer to lessen the burden and get some cash.

[BlazersBroncos]

I like this. I think Nurkic as a bit player in SA would be nice. An enforcer for Wemby and a great screen setter. I would hope he isnt counted on for more than 15-18mpg though - he is just too immobile these days.

[wemby]

I like this. I think Nurkic as a bit player in SA would be nice. An enforcer for Wemby and a great screen setter. I would hope he isnt counted on for more than 15-18mpg though - he is just too immobile these days.

That's just it, I just want someone who can help make the second unit more watchable, for entertainment purposes mainly. Just battle it out with Bassey for the non Wemby minutes, as Zach Collins is out of favor and would be best served with a change of scenery.

[cucad8]

This makes absolutely no sense for the 3rd team. They're essentially selling a 1st round pick for ~ 3 million in cap savings spread over 2 years, and maybe some cash? What team out there would prefer Collins and no pick over nurk and a pick?

[wemby]

This makes absolutely no sense for the 3rd team. They're essentially selling a 1st round pick for ~ 3 million in cap savings spread over 2 years, and maybe some cash? What team out there would prefer Collins and no pick over nurk and a pick?

The third team is STILL GETTING THE PICK, they are simply getting Zach Collins instead of Nurkic, who makes a little less than him, plus cash.

[Scoot McGroot]

This makes absolutely no sense for the 3rd team. They're essentially selling a 1st round pick for ~ 3 million in cap savings spread over 2 years, and maybe some cash? What team out there would prefer Collins and no pick over nurk and a pick?

3rd team still gets the first in this scenario, it appears. Basically, SA just swaps Collins for Nurkic straight up in this scenario.

[cucad8]

This makes absolutely no sense for the 3rd team. They're essentially selling a 1st round pick for ~ 3 million in cap savings spread over 2 years, and maybe some cash? What team out there would prefer Collins and no pick over nurk and a pick?

The third team is STILL GETTING THE PICK, they are simply getting Zach Collins instead of Nurkic, who makes a little less than him, plus cash.

Sorry, I didn't see that listed in there. Then it makes perfect sense for a 3rd team to do that.

[jayjaysee]

Think for SAS to get a first, you’d need to be looking at Tre Jones and Bassey as the salary not Collins? Then at least you’re saving the third team actual money..

Nurk is a bad starter. But Collins would be as well..

Washington should gladly be sitting there with Jonas for Nurk and any of those firsts. Which saves more money for the third team, and gets them a useful player or someone they can flip for 2nds..

[wemby]

This makes absolutely no sense for the 3rd team. They're essentially selling a 1st round pick for ~ 3 million in cap savings spread over 2 years, and maybe some cash? What team out there would prefer Collins and no pick over nurk and a pick?

3rd team still gets the first in this scenario, it appears. Basically, SA just swaps Collins for Nurkic straight up in this scenario.

Yup. I could just say swap Nurkic for Collins once third team has it, but likely it'd be structured as a third team deal all at once. Plus cash from the Spurs.

[wemby]

Think for SAS to get a first, you’d need to be looking at Tre Jones and Bassey as the salary not Collins? Then at least you’re saving the third team actual money..

Nurk is a bad starter. But Collins would be as well..

Washington should gladly be sitting there with Jonas for Nurk and any of those firsts. Which saves more money for the third team, and gets them a useful player or someone they can flip for 2nds..

SPURS ARE NOT GETTING A FIRST, THE THIRD TEAM IS (AS IT ALWAYS WAS).

[One_and_Done]

Nurk won't be any happier playing 12mpg off the bench for the Spurs. Spurs would pass.

[cucad8]

PHX out: Nurk, 1st
In: RW3, Murray

Save $, improve over Nurk. Get random youth

SA Out: Collins, cash
SA In: Nurk

Upgrade 2nd unit to Nurk?

PDX In: Collins, 1st, cash
PDX out: RW3, Murray.

Suns don't get an expiring, but save $ and give themselves a better look at C when healthy. PDX gets their 1st for RW3.

I suppose the expiring part of it could be a major hangup

[wemby]

PHX out: Nurk, 1st
In: RW3, Murray

Save $, improve over Nurk. Get random youth

SA Out: Collins, cash
SA In: Nurk

Upgrade 2nd unit to Nurk?

PDX In: Collins, 1st, cash
PDX out: RW3, Murray.

Suns don't get an expiring, but save $ and give themselves a better look at C when healthy. PDX gets their 1st for RW3.

I suppose the expiring part of it could be a major hangup

Yeah, I'm just assuming the Suns find that third team willing to take Nurkic and a first for expirings that are useful to the Suns. Supposedly they've had talks in place with several interested teams like the Wizards, Bulls, and others. So this would be a small addendum ot that trade.

[wemby]

Nurk won't be any happier playing 12mpg off the bench for the Spurs. Spurs would pass.

Nurkic is in hell and about to be dumped, I bet he'd be happier riding the bench on the Spurs than he'd be on the Wizards or wherever on a similar role.

[jayjaysee]

Think for SAS to get a first, you’d need to be looking at Tre Jones and Bassey as the salary not Collins? Then at least you’re saving the third team actual money..

Nurk is a bad starter. But Collins would be as well..

Washington should gladly be sitting there with Jonas for Nurk and any of those firsts. Which saves more money for the third team, and gets them a useful player or someone they can flip for 2nds..

SPURS ARE NOT GETTING A FIRST, THE THIRD TEAM IS (AS IT ALWAYS WAS).

Caps are exciting?!

But reading is fundamental so sort of on me. yeah.

Think it depends on the third team then. Rebuilding teams probably take Collins and the little savings, but others probably take a chance on Nurk the same as SA is there.

[Lucky Once]

Washington would be happy to facilitate for a first.

[wemby]

Washington would be happy to facilitate for a first.

Spurs get: Nurkic
Suns get: Valanciunas
Wizards get: Zach Collins + FRP from Suns + cash from Spurs
I'd do that

[Texas Chuck]

I think its fine for the Spurs to insert themselves if the other team just cares about budget line items. But the Suns aren't likely aiming for an expiring as much as they are aiming for someone they believe helps more than Nurkic. If said player is expiring, okay, but that is a needless restriction on the deal.

Suns are trying to win compete, not use limited assets to dump salary.

[chrbal]

Washington should be the 3rd team sending Jonas to Phoenix, but there should be a 4th. With the Suns trading Plumlee to the 4th team and using that ~$10 million savings to add another player to help them

I doubt the Suns want just expiring contracts, doesn’t make sense for them to either

[wemby]

I think its fine for the Spurs to insert themselves if the other team just cares about budget line items. But the Suns aren't likely aiming for an expiring as much as they are aiming for someone they believe helps more than Nurkic. If said player is expiring, okay, but that is a needless restriction on the deal.

Suns are trying to win compete, not use limited assets to dump salary.

No, I'm assuming the Suns get preferably an expiring they can use, or a non expiring but that they can use long term (such as Valanciunas, who would give them a much better center rotation). That's why I didn't suggest Collins for Nurkic straight up, because Zach wouldn't help them. I would consider sending Tre Jones (useful backup PG) to the Suns instead of Zach Collins, but since his contract is expiring and half that of Nurkic then Spurs would have to be compensated, and I didn't want to come across as wanting to use this to steal Suns draft capital.
Another possibility since the Suns are set on turning their dollars into quarters, maybe they want to turn their quarters into dimes and Spurs can offer several second rounders for one of the late firsts they got here. But of course that is all contingent on whatever the Suns want to do.