LaVine and Vucevic to Warriors: GSW/CHI/DET

[Bentley1225]

Ill offer this idea for:
-The Bulls start re-shaping their roster as 10th seed in EC as they look to start breaking down roster
-The Warriors double down and look to compete while Curry still under contract by adding LaVine and Vucevic
-Detroit adds veterans with championship pedigrees to younger core

To Golden State (Trade Wiggins, Green, Hield, Payton, protected 1st)
-Zach LaVine
-Nikola Vucevic
-Talen Horton Tucker
-Julian Philips
-2025 Toronto 2nd round pick
-2031 Chicago 2nd round pick

To Detroit (Trade Harris, Hardaway, Beasley, 2nd)
-Andrew Wiggins
-Draymond Green
-Buddy Hield

To Chicago (Trade LaVine, Vucevic, Horton Tucker, Philips)
-Tobias Harris
-Tim Hardaway
-Malik Beasley
-Gary Payton
-2031 Golden State 1st (Top 7 protected or 2031 2nd)

Why?
-The Bulls create significant flexibility for off-season as they look to tank rest of this season and hold onto their 2025 Top 10 protected 1st as they look to re-tool in offseason
-The Pistons leverage cap space to get back a starting wing in Wiggins, a 4 in Green and a backup SG in Hield as Pistons look to solidify themselves as playoff team
-The Warriors decide to move on from Green and run with a new core of Curry/Poda/LaVine/Kuminga/Vucevic while having Schroder/Moody/Philips/Anderson/Davis/Looney as rotational pieces.

[jayjaysee]

GSW can’t trade that first due to the Washington owed pick and should really not do the trade even without it.

But Stewart and Dray would be fun TV for a while. Maybe they fight each other. Maybe they fight everyone else..

[ChettheJet]

I like it for the Bulls, with reservations. I doubt GSW will like moving Green for Vuc

If the Bulls are getting room and flexibility for the future Iet's find a way to keep Phillips. He hustles and does some things well he's of little help to a playoff bound team, he's behind Anderson, Moody and Davis in a new system. You know who helps the playoff run, Jevon Carter, scrappy defender, streak shooter, been on winning teams or Duarte a steady vet or Torrey Craig.

The Bulls probably need to tell every new hire which file cabinet that 5 years down the road FRP is located in.

They also need to look at the waiver wire to find a center. They can call up Sonogo from the G League but he and Smith are not enough.


Williams Hardaway Terry
Harris Buzelis Craig
Smith Sonongo
Giddey Dosunmu Payton Carter
White Ball Beasley Duarte

[NW]

Warriors would have to score 120_a night to win cause they're not stopping anyone. No way they do this.

A deal for Lavine and Vucevic would have to be Wiggins, the 3 expirings and Hield plus the 2025 protected first and a couple seconds.

Then probably dealing Kuminga and SloMo to get back to the roster minimum and upgrade at backup PG or SF

[Texas Chuck]

Adding Zach or Vuc makes sense. Both? Less. Both if it costs you Draymond? None at all. Detroit gets a huge influx of talent for nothing here. Chicago would cut them out in a heartbeat if GSW would do this. They could then flip Draymond for more value and Wiggins for more value.

[jayjaysee]

Warriors would have to score 120_a night to win cause they're not stopping anyone. No way they do this.

A deal for Lavine and Vucevic would have to be Wiggins, the 3 expirings and Hield plus the 2025 protected first and a couple seconds.

Then probably dealing Kuminga and SloMo to get back to the roster minimum and upgrade at backup PG or SF

I think GSW doesn’t even lose a first here?

Wiggins value pays for LaVine, seconds pay for Vuc. Chicago can choose between the good win now player in Wiggins or flipping him to a 3rd team for a first.

If it did call for a first and seconds, I wonder why not just use Kuminga and keep the cheap future assets?

[giberish]

I don't think abandoning the very concept of defense is a winning move for GS.

[chrbal]

But Stewart and Dray would be fun TV for a while. Maybe they fight each other. Maybe they fight everyone else..

We’d have to get Grayson Allen as well. We’d lead the league in technicals and flagrant fouls, but opponents would be a lot less aggressive towards Cade

[LaSheed]

I'd love to grab Wiggins. But you can't move Beasley right now honestly. Losing both Beasley & THJ is taking shooters from Cade.

[Kalamazoo317]

Hield would have to be our starting shooting guard if we did that because THJ is our current starter and Beasley is our next up. I think it leaves us really thin in the backcourt.

[DB23]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

[Canadafan]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

Reed can't be traded
I'll take this deal though

[Coxy]

I'd argue the Warriors are losing the best 2 players in this deal. Pretty poor trade idea, no reason for the Warriors to do this.

[NW]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

Warriors probably haggle on protection on the pick. Bulls likely pass as they reportedly won't trade Vucevic in a straight salary dump, doubt they'll do that for the better player in LaVine-much less throw in a first for the honor

[oldncreaky]

But Stewart and Dray would be fun TV for a while. Maybe they fight each other. Maybe they fight everyone else..

We’d have to get Grayson Allen as well. We’d lead the league in technicals and flagrant fouls, but opponents would be a lot less aggressive towards Cade

Bad Boys, Part Deux: Even Nastier

[oldncreaky]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

Reed can't be traded
I'll take this deal though

I'd take it too. And it could be made better.

Give up Moore instead of the trade-restricted Reed

Pistons get Schroeder (who we could really use at backup PG) and one of either Hield or Anderson. CHI would probably prefer that anyway with all the guards they have

[gswhoops]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

Yeah this is way too good for the Pistons lol. If Chicago was willing to give up a 1st to move Lavine for GS's expirings, there's no need to involve Detroit (who gets 2 1sts to take on a very moderate amount of salary attached to useful players)

[gswhoops]

Why?
-The Bulls create significant flexibility for off-season as they look to tank rest of this season and hold onto their 2025 Top 10 protected 1st as they look to re-tool in offseason
-The Pistons leverage cap space to get back a starting wing in Wiggins, a 4 in Green and a backup SG in Hield as Pistons look to solidify themselves as playoff team
-The Warriors decide to move on from Green and run with a new core of Curry/Poda/LaVine/Kuminga/Vucevic while having Schroder/Moody/Philips/Anderson/Davis/Looney as rotational pieces.

Not the first person to point this out, but this lineup would be an absolute train wreck on defense. Kerr might rage quit before the end of the season.

[DB23]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

Yeah this is way too good for the Pistons lol. If Chicago was willing to give up a 1st to move Lavine for GS's expirings, there's no need to involve Detroit (who gets 2 1sts to take on a very moderate amount of salary attached to useful players)

I’m a dubs fan and would prefer not to give up the pick but I think hield and Anderson are negative value on their contracts. Either way, the only player I’d be sad about losing is looney.

[gswhoops]

The team framework is good and possible but the dubs giving up dray and Wiggins would just be shuffling chairs.

How about

To Chicago - Schroeder, Payton, looney
Bulls get all expiring and off all future money owed to lavine

Dubs get - lavine, sasser, reed
Warriors get their target and keep the talent they care about

Pistons get - hield, Anderson, Chicago lotto protected first and GSW top5 protected first this year.
Get two likely mid first rounders for taking on some salary.

Yeah this is way too good for the Pistons lol. If Chicago was willing to give up a 1st to move Lavine for GS's expirings, there's no need to involve Detroit (who gets 2 1sts to take on a very moderate amount of salary attached to useful players)

I’m a dubs fan and would prefer not to give up the pick but I think hield and Anderson are negative value on their contracts. Either way, the only player I’d be sad about losing is looney.

I don't disagree re: Hield and SloMo, but my point is that they're both useful players making less than the MLE. They're not the kind of bad contracts that are going to clog up a team's cap sheet (and not the kind of bad contracts that some team should be getting paid a premium to take on).

Warriors are already giving up too much IMO turning straight expirings into Lavine. Throwing a pick on top is overkill.